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What happened to Lorn's sword?

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 06:55 AM

The actual quote was:-

Originally from DG PB p.885
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[Said by Duiker to Mallick Rel, I think]. . . Aren's walls are high, well impregnated these days with Otataral, I believe - proof against sorcery. . .

Now this suggest to me that it was done pretty recently or at least in the Malazan Empire era. Maybe it always Otataral present but the malazan heavily reinforced it after conquering Seven Cities Posted Image. Or maybe Duiker's knowledge isn't that up to date, though he is a historian and should no these things Posted Image.
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Posted 22 June 2004 - 01:50 AM

He gave him Oponn's one. Chance.
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Posted 02 July 2004 - 10:47 PM

Paran has the otataral sword and will continue to wield it as the Master of the Deck, imho. Could be interesting symbolism, because he was depicted as a human sword later on...
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Posted 18 May 2004 - 02:00 AM

I realy didn't notice the sword was missing until it was pointed out. I suppose Erikson may find some way to make up for forgetting it, but I'm also wondering about another sword which I don't remember seeing outside of GotM - where is Chance? I don't remember any mention so far of Shadowthrone having it.
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Posted 18 May 2004 - 10:54 AM

I thought Paran gave it to Cotillion? Doesn't mean that he will give it to Shadowthrone Posted Image. He's a sneaky one "The Rope".
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Posted 05 July 2004 - 12:00 PM

Another thing about otataral and magic is that its is damn hard to work with, its not a very good sword why its not as strong as steel, sharper but more fragile. Otataral cant be formed by magic and since it a stonelike thing, i guess it would be nessesary to concentrate it somehow.
all of this very easy by magic and almost impossibly without.

About the magic: Erikson himself said that it was mutually cancelling. one side attacks the other one defends an so on.
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Posted 18 May 2004 - 11:46 AM

Didn't he say he would give it to Shadowthrone? Anway, we haven't even seen Cotillion with the sword.
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Posted 18 April 2004 - 05:47 AM

quote:
Originally posted by cowl:
In DHG Duiker Says that the walls of Aren are impregnated with otateral, so they empire must be protecting its city walls from destruction by sorcery. The builders wouldn't even need to know that otateral was in the walls as its a red powdery substace it could be added at nytime by just one person Posted Image


I think perhaps this was done pre-Malazan conquest, since Ottataral was more freely used when the Seven Cities natives controlled it.
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Posted 18 May 2004 - 12:32 AM

Yeah i was wondering about it as well, because i recall (and i must admit my memory is a bit hazy now) that in GOTM, after Lorn dies, Paran picks it up because he had given away Chance.

And then when Paran gets reintroduced later in the series (and i was expecting him to be whooping ass with some serious ottataral) he has a normal whimpy sword again!!!

Anyone else remember this happening?
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Posted 07 July 2005 - 11:32 PM

I am inclined to agree with fortyseven.
In GotM it is clearly noted that elder “magic” is not affected by otataral, and that is why Tool could accompany Lorn in her mission.
I am also inclined to believe that the aspect of the Azath’s warren is also elder (if the Azath utilizes a warren and is not something entirely different). Therefore Azath and otataral may prove compatible.
As far as the blood of the hound that is running through Paran's veins is concerned, one could say that it will be affected by the otataral, but I have a suspicion that the hounds are elder as well…Remember Shadowthrone’s comment about them not running in a straight line in the realm of shadow?(That was in Deadhouse Gates I believe)
Furthermore I could add some comments about the manipulation of otataral but they will be most certainly viewed as spoilers since, if I remember correctly, the incidents that I will refer to, take place in the next books of the MBotF series.
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Posted 13 July 2005 - 11:04 PM

@Folken Fanel: Yes we are all in agreement about Paran and the sword.
As far as the edited post is concerned I guess I had that one coming...
I should have known better Posted Image
@Hetan: Where can I post an answer to your original question?
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Posted 05 July 2005 - 07:19 AM

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I believe that all the above have the capacity to lead several threads of MBOTF history to interesting paths since Whiskeyjack may from now on wield the sword...


**MAJOR SPOILERS EDITED BY MOD**



It has been confirmed by SE that Whiskeyjack will not reappear in the books though Posted Image
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Posted 11 July 2005 - 08:50 AM

IIRC - Most of it was absorbed into his skin, as he found when he returned to the inn to wash.
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Posted 06 July 2005 - 11:57 AM

The line about the interview was the only thing that was in the post. Nothing was removed.
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Posted 08 July 2005 - 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Sean Eric Fagan:
And yet, in GotM, wossname sits on the sprouting Azath and slows it down, presumably due to the otataral.


Rallick Nom.

And that is a very interesting observation.

Might just be one of the notorious GotM slips...
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Posted 16 July 2005 - 07:41 AM

well we're assuming, and we are right to assume here, that he is becoming an ascendant, for the reason stated in my previous post. But you make a good point about him being immune to the warrens. If Hood could've been able to influence Ganoes directly he probably would've done so. Instead he had to try and do so through petty tricks. We'll get to see the extents of his power in Bonehunters, which should be bloody amazingPosted Image Nevertheless a practioner of magic, no matter what type, wouldn't want to see its end.
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Posted 05 July 2005 - 02:55 AM

Well, I also have a theory about the otataral sword.

Since Paran technically is still under the command of Dujek and Whiskeyjack, it is possible that the sword was claimed and retrieved by Parans superiors.

Perhaps it is to be used in an engagement in the future.

But I realy find intriguing the thought of combining the following facts:
A) Current status of Whiskeyjack and Bridgeburner company.
:p The missing otataral sword
c) Whiskeyjack's superb abilities as swordsman as described in the book

I believe that all the above have the capacity to lead several threads of MBOTF history to interesting paths since Whiskeyjack may from now on wield the sword...
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Posted 11 July 2005 - 06:38 AM

I have forgotten about Rallick...who is currently IN the Azath house with otataral dust and all...

I believe Arkmam may be correct and this may constitute a slip up…

I think I need to reread all the books ASAP...
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 10:57 PM

To Hetan: I believe you are right.
Therefore since Paran most likely will not be able to wield the sword since he is now "aspected" and Whiskeyjack is out of the picture ( Posted Image ) the most probable person the sword will surface around to is Dujek...
...Or mister Erikson can surprise us all with another fantastic story! Posted Image

2006 is still months away...
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Posted 07 July 2005 - 05:28 AM

To caladanbrood:
Unfortunately you are right…
I found the entry in “ForumSteven EriksonQ&AQ&A #3"
Damn…
That was painful… Posted Image
Thanks for the instructions though…

Just for the record I still believe that the sword will pop up later on around Dujek, or Paran and I'll bet you anything that the popping will be a part in one of Quick Ben's wild schemes...
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