[Hinter]

Hinter's lawyers would like to point out that anything that idiot Hinter says is nothing to do with them and they will not be held responsible for any of his raving idiocy.

[Silencer]

Clearly, I must therefore be the more reasonable of us. Though that is not saying much, is it? XD

[Tapper]

@ Silencer: I see your point.

Well, for better or for worse:

vote alt146

mainly because the 2 seperate kills scenario is the wcs, and the more likely one.

[Silencer]

That's L-1, right? Should I hammer in the hopes of prevent the scum from having an action in?

[Tapper]

Silencer, on 13 September 2009 - 07:29 AM, said:

That's L-1, right? Should I hammer in the hopes of prevent the scum from having an action in?

That depends - venge and mts are the ones longest away from the thread I think, so if you judge either of them to be scum, sure. If not, it could be well worth waiting for them. One of the reasons why I went to bed without voting was to make sure everyone had their actions in, to start with, so I'd personally like restraint.

[MTS]

Hello people, I'm back. Been a busy day, so I haven't had much time to jump in. Nor do I have much to say really.

Alt is at L-1. So I could lynch him right now. If he's inno, that leaves 6 players, with the scum count as worst 3-3. I think we've eliminated a symp, so we'd then be 3-2. With 2 healers and 2 guards, an unknown number of them scum, I'm expecting a kill, unless a scum is guarded, so then we'd end up 2-2, at which point we'd lose? I'm probably confusing myself, but a whole lot is riding on this lynch.

[MTS]

I've had my prov. in for a while, so hammering for that reason would be useless. I doubt you'd want to take the chance of hammering in case the two healers don't have their actions in. Then we'd be screwed.

[Silencer]

Well, how much time is left?

[Hinter]

Just over 5 hours I think

[MTS]

Not long, I don't think. A couple hours?

[Silencer]

Oh, well that'd be not good. We might go without a lynch again. I'll go do a proper count...

[alt146]

Hinter, on 12 September 2009 - 09:53 PM, said:

alt146, on 12 September 2009 - 08:50 PM, said:

Finally back.

I dont see how what I said is scummy. It's what happened. I first thought I had been guarded so I confirmed with PS before I accused one of the guards of lying, but it turned out he just didnt get my provisional. Why would I make something like that up?

What is interesting is that unless a killer targetted Silencer, or Silencer is a killer there cant have been two separate scum kills. Something that I've been doubtful of all game.

Looking back on night one with that in mind I would think HD lied about not vigging. He's been pushing the two scum kills thing hard and constantly going on about his innocence. I think one of the other people that have jumped all over the train on me
could be either a partner or the symp. Most likely Hinter.

Which means I'm going to

vote HD

Why would you make it up? This is Mafia and if you are scum its your job to confuse and confound us before you kill us!

And my saying that has drawn a shitload of attention to me. I could have lied and said I had healed pretty much anyone and noone would have known, but only scum lie.

As for jumping over trains, I've been completely consistent in voicing my disquiet with you since day 1. The fact that others are also seeing you as a wrong 'un reinforces my initioal opinion, hence my vote.

Funny that if I was your biggest suspect from yesterday to today that you went and guarded Silencer. Doesnt seem all that consistent to me. But then a healer isnt nearly as much of a threat to scum as a guard is and it just wouldnt do to VPI your most lynchable target.

Tapper, on 12 September 2009 - 09:21 PM, said:

alt146, on 12 September 2009 - 08:50 PM, said:

Finally back.

I dont see how what I said is scummy. It's what happened. I first thought I had been guarded so I confirmed with PS before I accused one of the guards of lying, but it turned out he just didnt get my provisional. Why would I make something like that up?

What is interesting is that unless a killer targetted Silencer, or Silencer is a killer there cant have been two separate scum kills. Something that I've been doubtful of all game.

Looking back on night one with that in mind I would think HD lied about not vigging. He's been pushing the two scum kills thing hard and constantly going on about his innocence. I think one of the other people that have jumped all over the train on me
could be either a partner or the symp. Most likely Hinter.

Which means I'm going to

vote HD

Actually, a killer targeting a guard makes sense, I'd say - a guard is pretty dangerous. We're lucky that they in all likelyhood (in the wcs scenario) targeted a guard that was being healed. I still think the two-seperate-kills-scenario is the most likely. We haven't had any luck whatsoever with figuring out what kind of killers we face, and it is going to be tough to say who is trying to mislead whom without a CF. We were facing the same issue yesterday, with largely the same camps - HD, Hinter voting for you; Silencer, you, me keeping an eye open to the shared-kill-option in varying degrees. We need to break that impasse.

The whole stuff with the missed NA submission, whether truly an accident or not, is not helping you at this point and opens a can of WIFOM as I said before, and HD made a pretty comprehensive case on you, too. I'll hold my vote for a while but I'm starting to think that we may be better off knowing your CF. If you come up as inno, then Hinter and HD imho need a much, much closer look.

Basically, what is holding me back from voting so that we can get a CF we can deduce info from, is that we're at 7 alive and there are at the least 2 scum alive, potentially 3 - bad lynch and we could lose. I dare not gamble that PB was the symp or that scum screwed up and killed one of their own just to get information.

So do it, vote! At least we will get a much needed breakthrough in this game. If (and its a big if imo) Alt is CF'ed inno you can look at me and HD, but because I have nothing to hide I am encouraging you to just do it!!!

This is just incredibly scummy. It's D-Day unless we got lucky somewhere along the line. Everyone seems to have agreed on this. And you're saying 'just vote and if I'm wrong we deal with it tomorrow'. If you vote wrong the chances of a spoiler password being dropped on thread tomorrow are damn high. And voting me is voting wrong.

In fact

remove vote
Vote Hinter

[Silencer]

5 hours 10 minutes, of thereabouts. Not so bad, I'll be on for most of that...

[MTS]

My maths might not be good, but the last update by my forum clock was yesterday at 12:05 p.m. That was around 30 hours ago, so we've still got around 5 hours. Good maths, Hinter.

[MTS]

So Hinter with 1, HD with 1, and alt with 3, with 5 hours to go...

[alt146]

At least there's a bunch of us around and only venge and HD wont be around before deadline. Does anyone else think it's a bit suspicious that Vengey has only made the one post neccessary to have an NA today?

[Silencer]

Venge said he would be back by the end of day...he doesn't have long. And, just out of curiosity, I think he might have started the alt train? O.o

[Hinter]

alt146, on 13 September 2009 - 07:42 AM, said:

This is just incredibly scummy. It's D-Day unless we got lucky somewhere along the line. Everyone seems to have agreed on this. And you're saying 'just vote and if I'm wrong we deal with it tomorrow'. If you vote wrong the chances of a spoiler password being dropped on thread tomorrow are damn high. And voting me is voting wrong.

In fact

remove vote
Vote Hinter

"Everyone" can "agree" on what they like, I'd rather think for myself. We are down four innos and have hit no scum so far. Our only offensive weopon's are lynching and HD's vig (if he's on our side). I fail to see how sitting around doing nothing, while scum can take their time picking us off at night is going to win us the game, hence my encouragement of the vote.

[Silencer]

And yet...you never picked on Vengy (or not in recent memory) for barely participating? A partner, perhaps?

[MTS]

Venge did in fact start the alt train, Silencer. Jumped on him immediately for alt's slip up, then promptly disappeared. Said he would be back, but that was a long time ago, and it's very late in his country now. Most likely won't be around for lynch. Interesting.