[HoosierDaddy]

Load up a Star Wars avatar and we can blow up the Death Star!

[Hinter]

I'm here and last night I guarded Silencer, who guarded Tapper, so what that tells us I don't know.

[Hinter]

Silencer, on 12 September 2009 - 06:05 AM, said:

No, if we have separate killers then one of them is Tapper or Hinter's guard choice. Unless Hinter or I AM the killer, in which case, well, it goes to WIFOM heaven, don't it?

If we have two separate, NK-wielding killers, each of whom at the start of the game could have had a day/night vig as well? C'mon. It's either a pair or an individual. We can't operate on the other assumption, even if it IS WCS. We just wouldn't be able to win short of some VERY fortuitous vigging, which also DiBs wouldn't have been able to allow for, given either or both of them could have been a vig themselves.

I just think that three kills on night one, and two on night two, is a bit fishy given we've got one spare vig lying around. It works out if we have two separate killers, yes...it also works if Hinter was lying - but that would make HIM scum.

Of course, with the addition of healers into the mix, most speculation is useless - which is why I originally said that we just have guards work, rather than healers AND guards, and you now must see the reasoning behind that...

The underlined - Silencer reckons our killers are Tapper and my guard choice, which was Silencer. There we go, we have our killers

[Silencer]

lol. 'Cept if you guarded me, and I guarded Tapper, then Tapper didn't get guarded...or DID he? If the actions are simultaneous, then it might still count. Dibs, clarification, please!

Which, if true, would make myself and Tapper relatively 'clean'.

Well, now where the fuck are we?

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm off to bed, kiddos. See you tomorrow.

[Tapper]

Usually, when a guard guards a guard, the guarded guard is guarded and can't guard himself.

Which would mean that anyone of us except Silencer can be the killer of Bent, so he'd be (V)PI, maybe even CI. EDIT: need to think more on this.

However, if in some miraculous way all three healers managed to target Silencer, he must be the second killer, for there is then no way I know off that the second killers' (who automatically isn't guarded because all guards have been accounted for) target could be healed, seeing how they all were on Silencer.

EDIT: or not, cause it could also be that the second killer targeted Silencer.

Now, we know that if HD did target Silencer with a vig tonight, there was at the least 1 healer targeting Silencer.
As such, I'm curious as to who the healers healed.

Other explanations:

1) Hinter lied, Silencer's guard went through, and Hinter guarded HD. Seeing how they were thick as thieves yesterday, I judge this option remote unless Hinter was very convincingly fake symping HD. Added benefit of this one would be making me CI

2) Of course, the option of there being a pair of killers and them sharing a kill, meaning that either Hinter lied day 1 and didn't guard Ment, or HD lying and using his vig night 1, stillhasn't been entirely falsified.

Anything else I forgot, or did I miscount/ is my reasoning off the mark?

This post has been edited by Tapper: 12 September 2009 - 09:17 AM

[Tapper]

I think there is some faulty reasoning in the post above... so feel free to ignore it and use it at your own peril. I need a shitload of coffee and a long, hot shower before my brain can work on more than a quarter of its normal capacity.

[HoosierDaddy]

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Usually, when a guard guards a guard, the guarded guard is guarded and can't guard himself.

Sorry, I am still actually preparing for bed, but this sentence made me laugh out loud. 7 out of 15 words are a form of Guard. Lol. Mag-fucking-nificent, Tapper! Lol.

[Silencer]

It was rather good, wasn't it?

Tapper, the thing is, I'm only PI, as if there are paired killers my being guarded is irrelevant, no? I'll also wait for the word from Dibs with regards to the guarded guard thing.
I want to learn who healed who, yes, but I don't think your scenario works, as you are then assuming two independent killers in your pronunciation of my scuminess, which is why, once again, it is stupid to have both guards and healers active at night.

In other words, we've got nothing. Again. I was guarded which, baring paired killers, makes me PI. Great. Which is basically useless due to the facts mentioned above, and this is what we have on day 3.

We NEED to lynch today, just to get some more fucking info.

[Path-Shaper]

a guard blocks any night action. if they are blocking another guard, that person cannot act, therefore cannot guard.

[Silencer]

Cheers.

And with that I'm off to bed. My vote stands, merely because I see no better option, and want to have a vote down. I'll re-evaluate in the morning.

[Hinter]

Silencer, on 12 September 2009 - 08:16 AM, said:

lol. 'Cept if you guarded me, and I guarded Tapper, then Tapper didn't get guarded...or DID he? If the actions are simultaneous, then it might still count. Dibs, clarification, please!

Which, if true, would make myself and Tapper relatively 'clean'.

Well, now where the fuck are we?

Clean - how so? My guard prevented your guard on Tapper, so if Tapper was scum he could have killed Bent. If you were scum my guard also prevented your NK, so it proves you didn't kill Bent but does not prove that you are inno. But this still doesn't get us anywhere.

Tapper, on 12 September 2009 - 09:16 AM, said:

Usually, when a guard guards a guard, the guarded guard is guarded and can't guard himself.

Which would mean that anyone of us except Silencer can be the killer of Bent, so he'd be (V)PI, maybe even CI. EDIT: need to think more on this.

However, if in some miraculous way all three healers managed to target Silencer, he must be the second killer, for there is then no way I know off that the second killers' (who automatically isn't guarded because all guards have been accounted for) target could be healed, seeing how they all were on Silencer.

EDIT: or not, cause it could also be that the second killer targeted Silencer.

Now, we know that if HD did target Silencer with a vig tonight, there was at the least 1 healer targeting Silencer.
As such, I'm curious as to who the healers healed.

Other explanations:

1) Hinter lied, Silencer's guard went through, and Hinter guarded HD. Seeing how they were thick as thieves yesterday, I judge this option remote unless Hinter was very convincingly fake symping HD. Added benefit of this one would be making me CI

2) Of course, the option of there being a pair of killers and them sharing a kill, meaning that either Hinter lied day 1 and didn't guard Ment, or HD lying and using his vig night 1, stillhasn't been entirely falsified.

Anything else I forgot, or did I miscount/ is my reasoning off the mark?

Thick as thieves? I agreed with a couple of points that matched my earlier posted suspicion of Alt, and attempted to construct (a pretty flawed I know) scenario that could explain what had happened so far. Unfortunately I hadn't read the role distribution properly and so my effort was pretty crap

In your first scenario you would only be CI'd of killing Bent, not of being scum as I believe there is more than one killer.

Not sure how your second scenario means I lied - I guarded an inno who had nothing to do with any of that nights deaths.

[alt146]

Sorry I havent been around much, the last day has been very busy.

I had a provisional in on Bent last night, but when I confirmed with PS now he said he didnt get it

Gonna be busy for a couple of hours more still but will definitely get properly caught up and add some thoughts before I go to bed tonight.

[Vengeance]

Just here for a quick sec.

I healed Silencer again...


Alt that is very convenient. You just happened to miss the guy who died last night. We have had enough strange things from you mate. I am sorely tempted to vote for you right now.

In fact

Vote Alt


I should be back by the end of the day. Thank god it is a long day. Off to go Mountain biking.

[Tapper]

Hinter, on 12 September 2009 - 01:43 PM, said:

Silencer, on 12 September 2009 - 08:16 AM, said:

lol. 'Cept if you guarded me, and I guarded Tapper, then Tapper didn't get guarded...or DID he? If the actions are simultaneous, then it might still count. Dibs, clarification, please!

Which, if true, would make myself and Tapper relatively 'clean'.

Well, now where the fuck are we?

Clean - how so? My guard prevented your guard on Tapper, so if Tapper was scum he could have killed Bent. If you were scum my guard also prevented your NK, so it proves you didn't kill Bent but does not prove that you are inno. But this still doesn't get us anywhere.

Tapper, on 12 September 2009 - 09:16 AM, said:

Usually, when a guard guards a guard, the guarded guard is guarded and can't guard himself.

Which would mean that anyone of us except Silencer can be the killer of Bent, so he'd be (V)PI, maybe even CI. EDIT: need to think more on this.

However, if in some miraculous way all three healers managed to target Silencer, he must be the second killer, for there is then no way I know off that the second killers' (who automatically isn't guarded because all guards have been accounted for) target could be healed, seeing how they all were on Silencer.

EDIT: or not, cause it could also be that the second killer targeted Silencer.

Now, we know that if HD did target Silencer with a vig tonight, there was at the least 1 healer targeting Silencer.
As such, I'm curious as to who the healers healed.

Other explanations:

1) Hinter lied, Silencer's guard went through, and Hinter guarded HD. Seeing how they were thick as thieves yesterday, I judge this option remote unless Hinter was very convincingly fake symping HD. Added benefit of this one would be making me CI

2) Of course, the option of there being a pair of killers and them sharing a kill, meaning that either Hinter lied day 1 and didn't guard Ment, or HD lying and using his vig night 1, stillhasn't been entirely falsified.

Anything else I forgot, or did I miscount/ is my reasoning off the mark?

Thick as thieves? I agreed with a couple of points that matched my earlier posted suspicion of Alt, and attempted to construct (a pretty flawed I know) scenario that could explain what had happened so far. Unfortunately I hadn't read the role distribution properly and so my effort was pretty crap

In your first scenario you would only be CI'd of killing Bent, not of being scum as I believe there is more than one killer.

Not sure how your second scenario means I lied - I guarded an inno who had nothing to do with any of that nights deaths.

You say you guarded a vig. On night 1, we had 2 kills (3 with dkt), now only 1. So, a possible explanation is that Ment made the difference between the kills, (see alts scenario of the killers sharing a kill), but that is only possible if you did not succeed in guarding. What could have caused you to not guard Ment?Either that would be because you did not guard Ment at all (in which case you lied), or that Gavin guarded you.

We can't ask Ment if he submitted a kill, neither can we ask Gavin if he guarded you.

[Tapper]

alt146, on 12 September 2009 - 02:49 PM, said:

Sorry I havent been around much, the last day has been very busy.

I had a provisional in on Bent last night, but when I confirmed with PS now he said he didnt get it

Gonna be busy for a couple of hours more still but will definitely get properly caught up and add some thoughts before I go to bed tonight.

Palm smacks face.
Unlucky coincidence at best... and it opens a can of WIFOM. If you are scum, you would just say you healed someone else. But you could also think about that, and own this up, cause no scum would do this. I'm in a quandary.

[MTS]

BLAM! I'm back people. Although I dunno how much use I'll be. I'll mostly drunk, and high on cheese.

Alt, that was stupid, now wasn't it? I agree with the smacking of the faces. I don't like big ass psanners in my works. They complicate things. Although i have no idea what WIFOM means. Wife on me? Bent's dead, so that can't be right...

Kiff, I don't liek conundrums. I also don't think i like Hd's attitude. Who to vote for? HHMMmmm...

[MTS]

So's, if I got my reckonring right:

MTs (heal)->Silencer
Silencer *guard)->Tapper
Venge (heal(->Silencer
Hinter (guard)->Silencer
Alt (heal)->nada
HD (vig)->dunno

now, I dunno why I decided to go with Silencer when venge healewd him yesterday...that was stupid. was thinking about Venge, but didn't for some reason. I think HD tried to vig Silencer too. It must be the nekkidness, we're drawn to him

That pretty much makes it clear that Silencer didn't kill last night. It maube points to Tapper killing Bent. but others could've had a crack as killers, we can't be sure.

I'm tempted for alt. slips up, and his man dies. Smells like tuna. I don't like tuan. scum like to hide in tuna cans.

[Hinter]

alt146, on 12 September 2009 - 02:49 PM, said:

Sorry I havent been around much, the last day has been very busy.

I had a provisional in on Bent last night, but when I confirmed with PS now he said he didnt get it

Gonna be busy for a couple of hours more still but will definitely get properly caught up and add some thoughts before I go to bed tonight.

Ah well, I voted for you yesterday with less evidence than this, and this is really scummy.

vote Alt146

Tapper, on 12 September 2009 - 03:29 PM, said:

Hinter, on 12 September 2009 - 01:43 PM, said:

Silencer, on 12 September 2009 - 08:16 AM, said:

lol. 'Cept if you guarded me, and I guarded Tapper, then Tapper didn't get guarded...or DID he? If the actions are simultaneous, then it might still count. Dibs, clarification, please!

Which, if true, would make myself and Tapper relatively 'clean'.

Well, now where the fuck are we?

Clean - how so? My guard prevented your guard on Tapper, so if Tapper was scum he could have killed Bent. If you were scum my guard also prevented your NK, so it proves you didn't kill Bent but does not prove that you are inno. But this still doesn't get us anywhere.

Tapper, on 12 September 2009 - 09:16 AM, said:

Usually, when a guard guards a guard, the guarded guard is guarded and can't guard himself.

Which would mean that anyone of us except Silencer can be the killer of Bent, so he'd be (V)PI, maybe even CI. EDIT: need to think more on this.

However, if in some miraculous way all three healers managed to target Silencer, he must be the second killer, for there is then no way I know off that the second killers' (who automatically isn't guarded because all guards have been accounted for) target could be healed, seeing how they all were on Silencer.

EDIT: or not, cause it could also be that the second killer targeted Silencer.

Now, we know that if HD did target Silencer with a vig tonight, there was at the least 1 healer targeting Silencer.
As such, I'm curious as to who the healers healed.

Other explanations:

1) Hinter lied, Silencer's guard went through, and Hinter guarded HD. Seeing how they were thick as thieves yesterday, I judge this option remote unless Hinter was very convincingly fake symping HD. Added benefit of this one would be making me CI

2) Of course, the option of there being a pair of killers and them sharing a kill, meaning that either Hinter lied day 1 and didn't guard Ment, or HD lying and using his vig night 1, stillhasn't been entirely falsified.

Anything else I forgot, or did I miscount/ is my reasoning off the mark?

Thick as thieves? I agreed with a couple of points that matched my earlier posted suspicion of Alt, and attempted to construct (a pretty flawed I know) scenario that could explain what had happened so far. Unfortunately I hadn't read the role distribution properly and so my effort was pretty crap

In your first scenario you would only be CI'd of killing Bent, not of being scum as I believe there is more than one killer.

Not sure how your second scenario means I lied - I guarded an inno who had nothing to do with any of that nights deaths.

You say you guarded a vig. On night 1, we had 2 kills (3 with dkt), now only 1. So, a possible explanation is that Ment made the difference between the kills, (see alts scenario of the killers sharing a kill), but that is only possible if you did not succeed in guarding. What could have caused you to not guard Ment?Either that would be because you did not guard Ment at all (in which case you lied), or that Gavin guarded you.

We can't ask Ment if he submitted a kill, neither can we ask Gavin if he guarded you.

OK, got your logic now, and dumb old me didn't consider that I might have been guarded.

[MTS]

Well, I'm gonna go to bed. My brain hurtz, and i'm not doin' much other than rehas peoples thoughts looks like. I need me some sleep.

I dunno if I wanna vote alt yet. He's lookin' fairly scummy, but if I vote him, then only one person needs to get out his big, bad hammer and end day. oh, i better get my provisional in. But yeah, I think we should proceed with caution. There's 7 of us left, and if alt turns up inno, we're fairly screwed.