[MTS]

Heyyyy, I got me some Jesus powerz! This should be fun. So...who wants to LIVE, bitches?

Hola muchachos, just checkin' in before I head off to uni. I should be back in around 6 hours.

This post has been edited by Mappo's Travelling Sack: 09 September 2009 - 11:50 PM

[Bent]

Mentalist, on 09 September 2009 - 11:30 PM, said:

Oh wow, we started already?

sounds like a lovely mindfuck

PB's already sounding sympish.

Man, I was so gonna say that. At first I thought, wow, thats scummy to try to kill all of one group, based on an assumption, then he shifted to "hey, kill me" which was symish. So yeah, Id say he is a symp and, if I were to guess, Tapper is one f his killer buddies. Im off to bed, will see how close to lynch I get tomorrow, after all I did vote night, so yeah, I am RI, so if you want to lynch me, I volunteer. Im on vacation anyway...

[Silencer]

Hrm, I'm expecting a high body count ("open season"), so this suggested strategy of PB's is probably what DiBs had in mind. That being said, I also think it relies far too much on people doing what they say they will. Guards have the benefit of being able to find who scum are - so I'm suggesting that healers hold off for the night. Because that removes any ambiguity as to whether someone is a killer or not (unless there is a scum healer trying to throw a spanner in the works). If the vigs also hold off, then the following night they can kill two of the remaining guarded players (assuming no night one kill), or whatever night it happens to be.
This still requires co-operation, but a lot less (and lower chance of people colliding, which is my main concern with all guns blazing on the first night round).

[Mentalist]

hmmm

wcs, the two killers also possess vigs

meaning, we can have 3 dead bodies on Night 1 from scum alone.

i'm still not a huge fan of the "going to night" idea that PB's plan's advocating--by playing it this way, we put all our eggs in a single basket-we look to night actions to find scum, instead of engaging them im lynch-related discussion.

[Mentalist]

Anyhow, sleep time

[MTS]

I'm not a huge fan of PB's night suggestion either, as it's very dicey, and we don't have much margin for error here. Plus, as Silencer said, it's contingent on people actually collaborating, which is a problematic presumption at best.

Lynch discussion, though, is not going to be nearly as effective as normally, as it is much easier for scum to appear inno, as they're roled just as we are. I'm willing to give it a go though. It's much less risky, even if its possibly less effetive.

[Silencer]

And no-one has anything to say on my modified night action plan. XD

Lynch discussion, shoot. It's always good, no matter what the game is. Any candidates?

[Peanutbutta]

Hey Silencer, I'm about to hit the sack, but I wanted to comment on your counter-proposal. I'd say that, honestly, the healers are our BEST bet of finding scum early in the game. The guards are much more useful when one scum is vigged/lynched, although the symp could still muck that up.

Basically, all three healers need to pick someone tonight and not say who in advance. Even if we have scum healers, they are just going to heal their partner/masters. So we know we'll have 3 healers. All 3 guards should probably NOT guard the healers. Tomorrow, we see what happens. If we have zero deaths, healers and guards should reveal targets. Scum guards and healers could of course be lying, but we have a good shot at figuring out who may be scum simply due to who was healed and guarded. Gotta account for pairing in the guard figuring, but should be a good start.

I've kind of dropped my idea for the reason Ment said, that we put too many eggs in the "night action" basket and ultimately not enough into discussion. My idea actually encourages speed lynching so I'm going to just toss it out as a bad idea.

I do find the people all clamoring to call me a symp pretty amusing, however. My main 'on thread' vibe for today is that Vengy called me scummy early on and then Ment made a similar symp call-out, which could be a small signal.Most people probably remember Obdi signalling his masters last game with 2 early joke votes, so I wouldn't be surprised to find symps acting in this behavior. Alt actually voted me, but I don't blame him for that. He had the balls to drop an early vote and not throw around the symp label without voting.

So based on that little info, before I hit the sack,

Vote Vengeance

[Peanutbutta]

Hrm I think I misread all of that. Vengy said I was scum but didn't vote, which is semi-suspicious. And then Ment called me sympish with Bent providing an eager head-wagging approval of that comment. So by my terribad case logic, Ment would be scum and Bent a symp.

I suspect picking a fight with a known vig isn't good for my own health but hey, what the hell?

Remove Vote
Vote Mentalist

[Peanutbutta]

Oki, good night.

[Gavin]

Here! Thought it was a Friday start? No matter.

Looking at your plan Silencer since you wanted a comment..

I'm actually confused, are you saying we go to night, and the Healers and Vigs do nothing and the Guards guard the 3 RI? Or who do the guards guard? And then those that are guarded get vigged the next night?

What do we get out of that?

[Silencer]

OK, perhaps some elaboration was required.

We do today like a normal day - lynch or no lynch, it's fairly irrelevant. Tonight, the healers and vigs do nothing. The guards choose whoever to guard. In the morning, the aftermath is viewed. If there are no kills, then we lynch the most likely of the guarded candidates. The other two are vig'd at the next night, cycle repeats.

It is conditional on whether there are kills or not at night, of course. If there is a kill then the vigs don't get used. I was merely suggesting this as an alternative to PB's plan, which meant that we'd have people getting guarded (3 of them), and people getting healed (3 of them), which would mean that we have 6 things which could have prevented a kill, which is ridiculous to work from, three is preferable.

I don't see what PB means when he says healers have more chance of us finding the killers, as if there is no kill, yes, the target got healed, but that only gives us 3 PI's, and any one of those could also be the killer.

[alt146]

I think overly co-ordinating what we do at night will give the scum an advantage, since they will know exactly what to to keep themselves alive, set people up and generally screw with us. It's way too easy for scum to straightup lie about what they did at night, and they're unlikely to slip up if they have all the information required to think up something watertight. I've thought about it a bit and almost any plan we make could easily be exploited by scum. I think revealing the next day what you did is a good idea though, since our roles are out in the open we might as well get as much from it as possible. Although any revealed night actions will have to be taken with a grain of salt.

DiBs - could we have some clarificication about the mechanics - if a scum is also roled, does he get to use both actions? And how would the guarding of one or both scum affect their various actions?


This might sound wierd, but I think maybe we should use the vigs early. Mainly because I dont want to risk the scum being able to kill twice in one night two or three nights from now to seal the game. I'm not 100% sure if they should do it though.

I put my vote on PB on a faint hint of a slip really early in the day - to be honest I wasnt expecting much, but for five posts into a game it wasnt a bad lead. I would have removed it at this point if PB was playing his usual self, but he just doesnt seem to be. The slight self-pitying, the emphasis on his expendability and willingness to sacrifice himself and mainly the not that great NA ideas make me think something is up. Especially the meek 'I see know it was a bad idea' statement and withdrawl. It's nothing concrete, but I'm leaving my vote where it is unless somethig much better comes along.

[dktorode]

Ok i caught up

Peanutbutta, on 10 September 2009 - 06:39 AM, said:

Hey Silencer, I'm about to hit the sack, but I wanted to comment on your counter-proposal. I'd say that, honestly, the healers are our BEST bet of finding scum early in the game. The guards are much more useful when one scum is vigged/lynched, although the symp could still muck that up.

Basically, all three healers need to pick someone tonight and not say who in advance. Even if we have scum healers, they are just going to heal their partner/masters. So we know we'll have 3 healers. All 3 guards should probably NOT guard the healers. Tomorrow, we see what happens. If we have zero deaths, healers and guards should reveal targets. Scum guards and healers could of course be lying, but we have a good shot at figuring out who may be scum simply due to who was healed and guarded. Gotta account for pairing in the guard figuring, but should be a good start.

I've kind of dropped my idea for the reason Ment said, that we put too many eggs in the "night action" basket and ultimately not enough into discussion. My idea actually encourages speed lynching so I'm going to just toss it out as a bad idea.

I do find the people all clamoring to call me a symp pretty amusing, however. My main 'on thread' vibe for today is that Vengy called me scummy early on and then Ment made a similar symp call-out, which could be a small signal.Most people probably remember Obdi signalling his masters last game with 2 early joke votes, so I wouldn't be surprised to find symps acting in this behavior. Alt actually voted me, but I don't blame him for that. He had the balls to drop an early vote and not throw around the symp label without voting.

So based on that little info, before I hit the sack,

Vote Vengeance

Strange that you would indeed give alt a "pass" here.
Im wondering why you would do that as i find your reasoning lacking.

Could the others not just as easily be signaling Alt ?...

Could YOU be signalling alt now by giving him slack for voting you?

I know i usually find PB to be scummy....its just the way he plays.
But damn this is a bit fishy yet again.

[Tapper]

Bent, on 10 September 2009 - 03:42 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 09 September 2009 - 11:30 PM, said:

Oh wow, we started already?

sounds like a lovely mindfuck

PB's already sounding sympish.

Man, I was so gonna say that. At first I thought, wow, thats scummy to try to kill all of one group, based on an assumption, then he shifted to "hey, kill me" which was symish. So yeah, Id say he is a symp and, if I were to guess, Tapper is one f his killer buddies. Im off to bed, will see how close to lynch I get tomorrow, after all I did vote night, so yeah, I am RI, so if you want to lynch me, I volunteer. Im on vacation anyway...

I think you're having withdrawal issues, Bent

If PB was scum, why would he suggest a plan that includes offing himself? If he was a symp and I was killer-scum, as you think, then why would he suggest a plan that includes taking out the both of us? I know I'm not scum, I don't know about PB and I agree with alt that he's not his usual self, but I do doubt he's scum unless he's making a ballsy play to PI himself by suggesting we off him.

I do think that it's not a good plan to put us anywhere near the D-day-zone on day 2. So far, we're talking and planning, talking and planning, but not a whole lot of scumminess and case making comes up so far. Do you really want to spend day 1 talking strategy and then having only day 2 as potential d-day to lynch a scum? I'm hesitant, cause I fear it may not be enough time.

[Tapper]

Peanutbutta, on 10 September 2009 - 06:39 AM, said:

Hey Silencer, I'm about to hit the sack, but I wanted to comment on your counter-proposal. I'd say that, honestly, the healers are our BEST bet of finding scum early in the game. The guards are much more useful when one scum is vigged/lynched, although the symp could still muck that up.

Basically, all three healers need to pick someone tonight and not say who in advance. Even if we have scum healers, they are just going to heal their partner/masters. So we know we'll have 3 healers. All 3 guards should probably NOT guard the healers. Tomorrow, we see what happens. If we have zero deaths, healers and guards should reveal targets. Scum guards and healers could of course be lying, but we have a good shot at figuring out who may be scum simply due to who was healed and guarded. Gotta account for pairing in the guard figuring, but should be a good start.

I've kind of dropped my idea for the reason Ment said, that we put too many eggs in the "night action" basket and ultimately not enough into discussion. My idea actually encourages speed lynching so I'm going to just toss it out as a bad idea.

I do find the people all clamoring to call me a symp pretty amusing, however. My main 'on thread' vibe for today is that Vengy called me scummy early on and then Ment made a similar symp call-out, which could be a small signal.Most people probably remember Obdi signalling his masters last game with 2 early joke votes, so I wouldn't be surprised to find symps acting in this behavior. Alt actually voted me, but I don't blame him for that. He had the balls to drop an early vote and not throw around the symp label without voting.

So based on that little info, before I hit the sack,

Vote Vengeance

ehm, why are you giving alt some slack? Especially after giving the Obdi example?

[dktorode]

Tapper, on 10 September 2009 - 07:34 AM, said:

Bent, on 10 September 2009 - 03:42 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 09 September 2009 - 11:30 PM, said:

Oh wow, we started already?

sounds like a lovely mindfuck

PB's already sounding sympish.

Man, I was so gonna say that. At first I thought, wow, thats scummy to try to kill all of one group, based on an assumption, then he shifted to "hey, kill me" which was symish. So yeah, Id say he is a symp and, if I were to guess, Tapper is one f his killer buddies. Im off to bed, will see how close to lynch I get tomorrow, after all I did vote night, so yeah, I am RI, so if you want to lynch me, I volunteer. Im on vacation anyway...

I think you're having withdrawal issues, Bent

If PB was scum, why would he suggest a plan that includes offing himself?

Same reason scum vote for themselves...He could be trying to nip the idea in the but. Put it out there as his own idea looking for sympathy.
Double bluff anyone?

[Hinter]

So why idid I think this was going to easier than normal, being altless and roles revealed. If anything I'm more confused than I usually am!

At the moment I kind of like PB's connection of Vengy, Ment and Bent, although Alt is correct, PB hasn't called anyone a moron or an idiot yet, which is suspicious in itself.

[dktorode]

Tapper, on 10 September 2009 - 07:36 AM, said:

Peanutbutta, on 10 September 2009 - 06:39 AM, said:

Hey Silencer, I'm about to hit the sack, but I wanted to comment on your counter-proposal. I'd say that, honestly, the healers are our BEST bet of finding scum early in the game. The guards are much more useful when one scum is vigged/lynched, although the symp could still muck that up.

Basically, all three healers need to pick someone tonight and not say who in advance. Even if we have scum healers, they are just going to heal their partner/masters. So we know we'll have 3 healers. All 3 guards should probably NOT guard the healers. Tomorrow, we see what happens. If we have zero deaths, healers and guards should reveal targets. Scum guards and healers could of course be lying, but we have a good shot at figuring out who may be scum simply due to who was healed and guarded. Gotta account for pairing in the guard figuring, but should be a good start.

I've kind of dropped my idea for the reason Ment said, that we put too many eggs in the "night action" basket and ultimately not enough into discussion. My idea actually encourages speed lynching so I'm going to just toss it out as a bad idea.

I do find the people all clamoring to call me a symp pretty amusing, however. My main 'on thread' vibe for today is that Vengy called me scummy early on and then Ment made a similar symp call-out, which could be a small signal.Most people probably remember Obdi signalling his masters last game with 2 early joke votes, so I wouldn't be surprised to find symps acting in this behavior. Alt actually voted me, but I don't blame him for that. He had the balls to drop an early vote and not throw around the symp label without voting.

So based on that little info, before I hit the sack,

Vote Vengeance

ehm, why are you giving alt some slack? Especially after giving the Obdi example?

woooaaw
SNAP!!

you owe me a coke

[Tapper]

well, that's me for the morning at the least Got a meeting I have to go to, see you all hopefully somewhere in the afternoon.