[Silencer]

Communism has never actually been successfully instated. All nations attempting it have got stuck in the socialism period of reformation that precedes a true communist state, at which point a dictator tends to take over. The closest we've got is Cuba. And even that is iffy.

[MTS]

Darkwatch, on 17 April 2010 - 05:24 AM, said:

No ideology is clean.
They're all tainted, because you will always have fanatics and those willing to use them for personal gain.

True. Hitler's Reich had a tightly controlled economy, nationalized health care, spent huge sums of money on public education, took the church completely out of public policy, supported abortion, and Hitler himself talked about disarming the people. Hitler was a vegetarian and Himmler was an animal rights activist. More socialist than anything. Lenin's 'dictatorship of the proletariat' was decidedly uncommunist, as well.

However, in general terms, both states fit the bill of their respective ideologies if you don't look too closely.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Goodwinning of this thread was inevitable I guess.

I think the prize goes to silencer?

Also, RE blocking of FOX news on US Navy servers and ensuing comments are unreal man.

the paranoia is extreme,

Perfect example of overhyping and biasing a story to the point where what you're reporting ceases to be fact. Based on fact =/= fact. Partical fact =/= fact.

I gotta stop reading stories like that. Depressing.

[Illuyankas]

Godwin's Law is an amusing observation, not some debate-winning argumentative tool.

In other news, Fox News is useless.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Illuyankas, on 21 April 2010 - 04:04 PM, said:

Godwin's Law is an amusing observation, not some debate-winning argumentative tool.

In other news, Fox News is useless.

I didn't use it as such. Just observed to my amusement that the thread had been goodwin'd.

[Nicodimas]

I do find it funny how the things promised not to happen under Obama-care are happening this quickly.

1) Business taking four years of extra taxes related to medicaid, which will be passed to workers/consumers.
2) Regulation of SALT! It is almost too funny that this is happening. This is how little they trust you.
3) Next?

You know what they say about the slippery slope, this may be fun to watch what they end up regulating and nationalizing. Yeah for the nanny-state!


Also Go Arizona!

Arizona to require Obama to prove he is a citizen. I really think this is a non-issue at this point personally and really don't understand why he hasn't just done it. If this was TRUE the Clintons would have brought this up during election and won...It baffles me.

http://www.kpho.com/...195/detail.html

[Obdigore]

Nicodimas, on 21 April 2010 - 08:14 PM, said:

I do find it funny how the things promised not to happen under Obama-care are happening this quickly.

1) Business taking four years of extra taxes related to medicaid, which will be passed to workers/consumers.
2) Regulation of SALT! It is almost too funny that this is happening. This is how little they trust you.
3) Next?

You know what they say about the slippery slope, this may be fun to watch what they end up regulating and nationalizing. Yeah for the nanny-state!


Also Go Arizona!

Arizona to require Obama to prove he is a citizen. I really think this is a non-issue at this point personally and really don't understand why he hasn't just done it. If this was TRUE the Clintons would have brought this up during election and won...It baffles me.

http://www.kpho.com/...195/detail.html

1) Republicans claim to be anti-large government.
2) Republican president George 'W' Bush Jr. creates the largest addition to the government since it was founded.
3) Republicans want to tell me what religion I have to be and what morals I have to follow, but are for personal freedoms.

You know what they say about the slippery slope, this may be fun to watch what they end up regulating and nationalizing. Yeah for the nanny-state!

[Terez]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the Patriot Act been revised a good deal since it was originally drafted? I was under the impression that it had been. Will have to look into it later, but I'm really busy for at least a couple more weeks so I was hoping that someone here would be more up on the details than me.

Sorry for the necro-ish post; for context, people were talking earlier about how Obama has supports the Patriot Act.

[Grand Goombah Graeld]

I could be wrong, but I don't think it has. I believe some revisions/improvements were proposed but shot down. I don't have time to research it right now either.

[Jusentantaka]

Terez, on 22 April 2010 - 04:41 PM, said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the Patriot Act been revised a good deal since it was originally drafted? I was under the impression that it had been. Will have to look into it later, but I'm really busy for at least a couple more weeks so I was hoping that someone here would be more up on the details than me.

Sorry for the necro-ish post; for context, people were talking earlier about how Obama has supports the Patriot Act.

Sure they went and reviewed it. But changed anything? not at all in the end. In 2006 the senate put through a much revised, somewhat liberty protecting version, while theuselesssideofthebuilding rubber stamped the original, and then when it went to committee, the committee decided to discard the majority of the senates changes and basically just restamped the original cockument.* And then the O-train tacked on another year this February because the senate bitched out and wouldn't work to even try and get any protections added in.

*started out mistyped, but when I saw it there, it just feels so right.