[Jusentantaka]

If they're more human, its proof the species is evolving towards something better.

[Morgoth]

I noticed Obama being referred to as the Kenyan pirate several times.

[Darkwatch]

They still believe he wasn't born in the U.S.

[Grand Goombah Graeld]

I gotta admit, I haven't LOLd that hard in a long time. I figured it'd be like flame crap posted. I'll look, but I don't think the left's nuts have paranoia in as good a measure. Scary people? No. Hilarious.

[Morgoth]

Grand Goombah Graeld, on 17 April 2010 - 03:28 AM, said:

I gotta admit, I haven't LOLd that hard in a long time. I figured it'd be like flame crap posted. I'll look, but I don't think the left's nuts have paranoia in as good a measure. Scary people? No. Hilarious.

Got to agree with that, but then I'm in the enviable position of fully enjoying the comical realities of American politics as I can just go back to my socialist paradise when I tire of it.

I'm like the bachelor uncle of a kid with ADHD.

[Terez]

A few more favorites, just because:

lindaann, FL said:

I wish I could say "I can't believe this!" but with this administration I'm not surprised. Fox is the only News Station that tells it like it is. I don't know what has happened to journalism. Other than Fox, the Drudge Report, Brietbart and a few others the "USED TO BE JOURNALISTS" HAVE TURNED INTO A BUNCH OF PANSIES! This sickens me to no end. And what makes it worse, we have Obama acting as the Censorship Czar! Fox has Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the Progressives so fearful of them telling the truth that they will stop at nothing to try to discredit and quiet them. If Obama had his way, Fox would be off the air and internet completely. So much for the Constitution! Has the United States of America turned into a dictatorship and I just haven't been given the news yet? Let's hear it for our president...he will stoop at nothing these days! Linda Loschiavo Makofski

1stclssvet, IL said:

It pains me to be temporarily stuck working in Obama's corrupt state, and now they're taking away my ability to be mentally stimulated by worthy reporting of the news?!?! I know we are SUPPOSED to be really stupid, but I've always been a rebel against conforming...off to Reuters and ".gov" websites I go!!

0bamacrimewatch said:

The Regime does not allow free speech and is slowly working to crush all dissent. This is heartily endorsed by the Democrat party BTW. We must remember, the Democrats rounded up hundreds of thousands of loyal, law abiding, tax paying Americans just a few decades ago, loaded them into box cars and shipped them off to Concentration Camps where their constitutional rights were violated. The Democrats have gone far Left. And the legacy of the far Left is hundreds of millions murdered around the world in the name of Leftist Ideology. Fear, repression, oppression and crushing all dissent are hallmarks of the Left.

kevinegan1 said:

AMERICA, AMERICA, WAKE UP!!!!!! YOU SHOULD BE AFRAID, NO TERRIFIED!!! RESTRICTION OF NEWS IS BUT ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS TO BECOMING UN-FREE. DO YOU TRULY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS??? MY GOD IN HEAVEN. AT ANY OTHER TIME WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY DECLARED WAR AGAINST ANYONE THAT HAS PRESENTED SUCH A DANGER TO OUR COUNTRY AND IT'S PEOPLE. IF OUR SOLDIERS IN THE MILITARY ARE DENIED THE TRUTH AND THEN LIED TO, WHAT WILL STOP THEM FROM BEING USED AGAINST YOU?

mitzarogi said:

"The nature of the network."???? I highly doubt that its the network. I know the internet may have problems but these type of problems are not accidental. If you cannot see with your eyes what is going on, then you may have to see a doctor but they won't help, and if you don't know why, talk to the government. The truth is easy to see, Americans just have to stand up to whats right and not lay back and hope that it won't happen. "The only time evil triumphs is when good men do nothing."

downward_spiral, FL said:

Hmmmm....one particular IP address was "unintentionally" not accessible....Hmmmmm.......

cagal55, CA said:

I believe this is a direct order from Obama and or his staff to keep the military from seeing what is happening in the USA regarding the will of the people and the military officer who refuses to report for duty till Obamas Birth Certificate is released. This is a highly trained surgeon with 18 yrs in the service, to be court martialed, because Obama refuses to show something as simple as his United States Of America Birth Certificate. It leads Americans to believe Obama does not have a legitimate birth certificate, and he would rather lose a highly trained surgeon in the military that provide the evidence requested.

[Grand Goombah Graeld]

Terez, on 17 April 2010 - 03:55 AM, said:

A few more favorites, just because:

0bamacrimewatch said:

The Regime does not allow free speech and is slowly working to crush all dissent. This is heartily endorsed by the Democrat party BTW. We must remember, the Democrats rounded up hundreds of thousands of loyal, law abiding, tax paying Americans just a few decades ago, loaded them into box cars and shipped them off to Concentration Camps where their constitutional rights were violated. The Democrats have gone far Left. And the legacy of the far Left is hundreds of millions murdered around the world in the name of Leftist Ideology. Fear, repression, oppression and crushing all dissent are hallmarks of the Left.

cagal55, CA said:

I believe this is a direct order from Obama and or his staff to keep the military from seeing what is happening in the USA regarding the will of the people and the military officer who refuses to report for duty till Obamas Birth Certificate is released. This is a highly trained surgeon with 18 yrs in the service, to be court martialed, because Obama refuses to show something as simple as his United States Of America Birth Certificate. It leads Americans to believe Obama does not have a legitimate birth certificate, and he would rather lose a highly trained surgeon in the military that provide the evidence requested.

You know what that first post is in reference to, right? The forced internment of Japanese Americans during WW2. Technically, that is a correct statement. Not particularly relevant to anything present day, but...

The second one REALLY pisses me off. A military officer refusing to report because he disagrees with the guy in the White House? Even worse because he's a stinking birther? His ass needs to be court martialled. He took an oath to obey the lawful orders of the commanders appointed above him. Putting ideology before service, ESPECIALLY when you service is to care for our wounded, is nothing less than disgusting.

[MTS]

0bamacrimewatch said:

The Regime does not allow free speech and is slowly working to crush all dissent. This is heartily endorsed by the Democrat party BTW. We must remember, the Democrats rounded up hundreds of thousands of loyal, law abiding, tax paying Americans just a few decades ago, loaded them into box cars and shipped them off to Concentration Camps where their constitutional rights were violated. The Democrats have gone far Left. And the legacy of the far Left is hundreds of millions murdered around the world in the name of Leftist Ideology. Fear, repression, oppression and crushing all dissent are hallmarks of the Left.

Hah, this one is my favourite. Even the name is hilarious. I assume he's referring to the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII under FDR (a Democrat). I wonder what he'd say if told that the 'ideology of the Right' is responsible for just as much death, fear and oppression. And how are these people ignoring the fact that the Patriot Act has violated more of their constitutional rights than everything Obama has 'done' combined?

[Grand Goombah Graeld]

Ah, MTS, you might want to remember that Obama & company just reauthorized, or are trying to reauthorize, the PATRIOT act. BTW, specific examples of where the 'ideology of the right' has been "responsible for just as much death, fear and oppression" as the Japanes American internments, please. Thank you.

Morgoth- Please kindly keep your 'socialist utopia'. I really don't want that here. Glad you like it, though. That's wonderful.

[Terez]

MTS, on 17 April 2010 - 04:13 AM, said:

0bamacrimewatch said:

The Regime does not allow free speech and is slowly working to crush all dissent. This is heartily endorsed by the Democrat party BTW. We must remember, the Democrats rounded up hundreds of thousands of loyal, law abiding, tax paying Americans just a few decades ago, loaded them into box cars and shipped them off to Concentration Camps where their constitutional rights were violated. The Democrats have gone far Left. And the legacy of the far Left is hundreds of millions murdered around the world in the name of Leftist Ideology. Fear, repression, oppression and crushing all dissent are hallmarks of the Left.

Hah, this one is my favourite. Even the name is hilarious. I assume he's referring to the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII under FDR (a Democrat). I wonder what he'd say if told that the 'ideology of the Right' is responsible for just as much death, fear and oppression. And how are these people ignoring the fact that the Patriot Act has violated more of their constitutional rights than everything Obama has 'done' combined?

It also ignores the fact that the party system has changed completely since FDR. The red states were all blue, back then.

[MTS]

Grand Goombah Graeld, on 17 April 2010 - 04:18 AM, said:

Ah, MTS, you might want to remember that Obama & company just reauthorized, or are trying to reauthorize, the PATRIOT act. BTW, specific examples of where the 'ideology of the right' has been "responsible for just as much death, fear and oppression" as the Japanese American internments, please. Thank you.

Morgoth- Please kindly keep your 'socialist utopia'. I really don't want that here. Glad you like it, though. That's wonderful.

I realise Obama supports the Patriot Act. I'm not debating that. The fact that a Republican proposed the bill however seems to me to be lost on a lot of people. And if you condemn the Japanese internments, then it seems to me to be hard not to condemn the Patriot Act. Both are/were violent attacks on American rights fueled by war hysteria.

And I'm not so well versed in American history to provide much, but Guantanomo and Abu Ghraib are two examples. I wasn't referring specifically to Americans though GGG, since the guy wasn't either. He said 'hundreds of millions the world over murdered in the name of Leftist ideology'. I assume it's a reference to communist states like Russia, China, Cuba etc. However, Hitler and Mussolini (HI GODWIN) - both proponents of rightist ideology - are easily responsible for tens of millions of peoples' suffering, and those are only the most salient examples.

I'm not condemning rightist ideology though, so no need to get on the defensive. I'm just pointing out that 'fear, repression, oppression and crushing all dissent are hallmarks of the Left' is a ridiculously inaccurate statement.

This post has been edited by MTS: 17 April 2010 - 04:48 AM

[Grand Goombah Graeld]

Abu Graib doesn't qualify, as it reflected the actions of individuals, not policy. Guantanamo, for me, is not comparable because we're talking about known and suspected enemy combatants, not citizen who've done nothing wrong. Why do people hold Hitler & facism up as examples of the right? What was so 'right' about them? The way they operated looks much more like communism to me than anything else.

[Silencer]

Because Hitler was a Nazi, and Nazi ideology is a reaction to the failings of communism and democracy and liberalism? And because the Nazi party is far-right on the political spectrum?

>.>

[Grand Goombah Graeld]

I get all except the part where Nazi ideology is far-right on the spectrum. What characterisitics make it far-right vs. far-left? How is it really very different from communism?

[MTS]

Grand Goombah Graeld, on 17 April 2010 - 05:05 AM, said:

Abu Graib doesn't qualify, as it reflected the actions of individuals, not policy. Guantanamo, for me, is not comparable because we're talking about known and suspected enemy combatants, not citizen who've done nothing wrong. Why do people hold Hitler & fascism up as examples of the right? What was so 'right' about them? The way they operated looks much more like communism to me than anything else.

'Known enemy combatants'? Seriously? Guantanomo has housed plenty of innocent people snatched up without warning, often without proof.

People hold up fascism, Hitler's Reich and Mussolini's Italy as examples of the right because they operated on a social authoritarian scale. Fascist economics are their own special category, since they borrow a lot from both socialism and capitalism. What makes fascism right wing is its focus on law and order, intolerance of minorities, anti-intellectualism, nationalism, militarism and conservatism. Look at fascist rhetoric: they appeal to "family values" and accuse their opponents of moral corruption.

[MTS]

Grand Goombah Graeld, on 17 April 2010 - 05:19 AM, said:

I get all except the part where Nazi ideology is far-right on the spectrum. What characterisitics make it far-right vs. far-left? How is it really very different from communism?

They are hugely different.

Pure communism in the Marxist sense refers to a classless, stateless and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member of society to participate in the decision making process in both the political and economic spheres of life. In modern usage, communism is often used to refer to the policies of the various states which were authoritarian governments that had ownership of all the state's means of production and centrally planned economies.

Fascism is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism with a corporatist economic system. Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state. Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement. Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuses communists of exploiting the concept. Fascism fashioned itself as the "complete opposite of Marxian Socialism" by rejecting the economic and material conception of history, the fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism.

By definition, right-wing, rightist and the Right are terms applied to conservative and reactionary positions, both of which apply to fascism. They also stress nationalism and oppose communism. It stems from the French Revolution - the people who sat on the right side of the Parliament supported the preservation of Ancien Regime traditions, like the aristocracy, the Gallican Church and the monarchy.

This post has been edited by MTS: 17 April 2010 - 05:27 AM

[Darkwatch]

No ideology is clean.
They're all tainted, because you will always have fanatics and those willing to use them for personal gain.

[Silencer]

MTS beat me to it. But essentially Nazism is about an upper-class, while communism is about no-class, or rather everyone being equal. You can't get much more opposite than that!

[Grand Goombah Graeld]

Has communism in PRACTICE ever actually been "no-class, or rather everyone being equal", though? For the most part, it seems to me, when humans get power, they get corrupted & try to shut others out or at the very least take as much for themselves as they can handle.
Note, for the Guantanamo situation, I stated "known and SUSPECTED" enemy combatants. Will you deny that many or most were known comabatants? You're asserting that they're ALL innocent? Mostly innocent? We're not perfect, but honestly, who would it benefit for us to pick up innocents and put them in Guantanamo? Not us. Anyone who ended up in Guantanamo as an innocent, didn't end up there as a result of malicious intent. The result is the same, but I would assert that intent counts for something. Hell, if you kill someone by accident, that's manslaughter, which is much different from murder, where you kill someone purposely.

[Grand Goombah Graeld]

Darkwatch, on 17 April 2010 - 05:24 AM, said:

No ideology is clean.
They're all tainted, because you will always have fanatics and those willing to use them for personal gain.

Quoted for supreme truth. Post of the day.