[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 19 hours, 5 minutes remaining.

9 players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch. 5 to go to night.

1 Vote D'riss (Emurlahn)
1 vote Emurlahn (Karatallid)

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 18 hours, 5 minutes remaining.

9 players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch. 5 to go to night.

1 Vote D'riss (Emurlahn)
1 vote Emurlahn (Karatallid)

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

[Ampelas]

I'm here, although it seems I have a penchant for missing everyone when they're online.

I don't know what to make of this HP/Thyr business--it's either a mod mistake, which happens (I know that too well) or it's 2 scummy partners bullshitting everyone. I need to think this through for a bit, but I can't possibly take this with more than a grain of salt.

[D'riss]

Aye-the problem is the mod obviously can't confirm-as that would confirm the roles etc.

I'm afraid I won't be about again till tommorow(hopefully true this time).

So, goodnight, see you tommorow.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 16 hours, 52 minutes remaining.

9 players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch. 5 to go to night.

1 Vote D'riss (Emurlahn)
1 vote Emurlahn (Karatallid)

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

[Emurlahn]

Karatallid, on Jul 29 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

It's more context than anything. He came on and voted D'riss right off the bat, before all the reveal clarification. I don't get why he was so eager, especially since D'riss wasn't really under scrutiny (not to say that he shouldn't be).

Here's his defense:

Quote

Ok, i come back after sleeping and now have 3 votes. The "summary" was more just trying to get some people onto the thread as noone had said anything for maybe 4 hours and it worked, the summary part was clearly a joke. Of the 3 votes I dont have a clue about Thyrlan as his entire post was just a vote for me and i dont think (iirc) hes been back since. Sercs vote seemed to be an attempt to do sometihng so i dont mind that one, HP's comments about voting me because he didnt want to split the pack are very weird as that just doesnt really promote discussion at all.

It just struck me as lame.

Also, those posts you quoted above are very summary-esque, coupled with a vote. They're hardly cases. I know I know - I ridiculed that as a legit scum finding idea, but what makes this different is they're coupled with votes that seem more off the cuff than their explanation would lead one to believe. It's not your typical "post a summary to appear helpful". It seems more like "post a summary to pseudo justify your votes". The votes themselves (who they're for and when they are placed) is what makes me suspicious.

Wait you dont like me because i voted for someone who wasnt under scrutiny? How else are you meant to find scum, if you dont do that you just end up sheeping and hoping a case appears. I voted for D'riss at the start of the day because id noticed it during the night but obviously couldnt vote then So i posted my suspicions and voted as soon as i got on after night timed out. whats scummy about that exactly?

EDIT somehow deleted half of the middle part

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 29 July 2009 - 07:06 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 15 hours, 40 minutes remaining.

9 players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch. 5 to go to night.

1 Vote D'riss (Emurlahn)
1 vote Emurlahn (Karatallid)

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 14 hours, 29 minutes remaining.

9 players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch. 5 to go to night.

1 Vote D'riss (Emurlahn)
1 vote Emurlahn (Karatallid)

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan


Not that this isn't thrilling and all, but I may be off pillaging Lu Bu's lands and stealing his daughter to ransom to Yuan Shu for a bit so no super-speed lynches without calling me!

[Hood's Path]

wow its been a very inactive day. will be back on in the morning well before deadline.

[Galayn Lord]

I'm not going to say anything about it being a quiet day. I haven't been around myself, at least not conciously, and at least there weren't pages and pages to catch up on. I am not touching the HP/Thyr/D'riss debacle with a 20 ft bargepole...mainly because if I do one of them is bound to start getting ansty about it (they are a short tempered trio ). And I suspect (although not enough to PI any of them) that they are all inno.

So, had a 'quick' read of Ruse. Not that I was pressed for time or anything but with only 3 posts it couldn't be anything other! I really hope he isn't scum, because that would be pretty annoying.

Of us lower posters Kaschan has been very obliging, but none of his posts contain any content. I know there have been lots of accusations of middle of the roading, but tbf I think getting in the middle of the handbag flailing would be - misguided. I swear I am inno, but I can see that my posts (other than the case) are probably wishy washy. And in truth I hesitate to say much now, as I made a case yesterday and okay it was day 1, and I did believe in what I said and would definately do the same again (hopefully with a different result though), but end result we are still down an inno.

What this incoherent medicated ramble is supposed to be saying is that Kaschan should step up and give an opinion on something, because (Ruse aside) so far he's the only one who hasn't, and isn't trying to ruffle any feathers...a good scum place to hide?

I dunno. I'm off to bed, but should be back before day times out.

So, is this a pressure vote...meh, whatever

Vote Kaschan

say something/if there is a better case I will vote it/I'll vote Emur/I vote for more medication...

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 12 hours, 45 minutes remaining.

9 players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch. 5 to go to night.

1 Vote D'riss (Emurlahn)
1 Vote Emurlahn (Karatallid)
1 Vote Kaschan (Glayn Lord)

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

[Karatallid]

Wow.... 4 (now 5) posts other than those by PS since I left.

@Emur it's not so much that you're going after someone that hasn't been unders scrutiny. I mean, I'm doing the same by voting for you, right? Who you are voting and when you are voting for them (context) has just seemed odd (like you pick up on 1 thing to explain your vote and ignore what's going on around it).

For example, HP has quoted your comments on both him and D'riss a few posts above this one. In that you give a nod to what's currently happening by calling HP a liar, but then you vote D'riss because he talked during the night. Now, I know it's not useful to speculate during the night phase. However, as I see it we had this ongoing flow of information coming from HP and Thyr, with D'riss pushing HP. You coming in and immediately voting at the beginning of day to allegedly apply pressure to D'riss strikes me not so much as pressure, but as an attempt to keep suspicion flying every which way and cause confusion.

Now I was doing a re-read and looking specifically at GL and Kaschan's posts, which is ironic since GL just popped up and posted a vote on Kaschan. GL seems scummy in terms of coming off wishy washy BUT, still coming forth with votes. However, flipping back to Serc from HP on day 1 makes GL look more legit.

Kaschan on the other hand:

Kaschan, on Jul 28 2009, 09:40 PM, said:

Fuck it. Serc pinged my scumdar and I voted HP for info and didn't think he was scummy.

Vote Serc.

This comes out of no where and sounds like a made up justification just to join the train. This seems out of character from the rest of the posts. I'm not going to change my vote just yet, but I said before that there is a good liklihood that there is scum that switched off the HP train to Serc.

[Kaschan]

Fair enough. Here is my opinion:

I buy Hood's Path reveal. I didn't think he was scummy yesterday, but was willing to vote for him to get a lynch. However, after his reveal, I wasn't going to vote for him. Now, I had found Serc scummy, obviously wrongfully, but I did before I voted for H.P. If you'll note, I talk about being pissed off because it was end of day and I felt my hand was being forced into voting for someone I didn't particularly want to. The same reasoning with HP was the same reason I voted for Serc, except for I felt that it was a much better case. So I switched to get a lynch on day one. If you find that scummy, fair enough.

Now, I buy HP's reveal. Therefore, I buy Thyrllan as inno as well. If those two are working together and have fooled me, bully on them. It all seems way to random and chaotic enough to be planned that way. The miscommunication between the two of them genuine. So, I have PI'd them in my mind.

D'riss is either trying to control the game as scum, or beligerrent inno. As of right now, I find myself leaning the latter.

I know I am inno. That leaves, Emurlahn, Ruse, Karatallid, Galayn Lord, and Ampelas.

If Ruse is scum, well, we're kind of fucked aren't we? 3 posts maybe? 4? Leaving, Emurlahn, Karatallid, GL, and Amp.

I believe scum is amongst you four, as of right now.

The vote on Emurlahn caused a shit storm of day one activity, unusual activity at that. Quite frankly, where there is smoke there is fire. That being said:

Vote Emurlahn.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 11 hours, 51 minutes remaining.

9 players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch. 5 to go to night.

1 Vote D'riss (Emurlahn)
2 Votes Emurlahn (Karatallid, Kaschan)
1 Vote Kaschan (Glayn Lord)

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Hood's Path, Ruse, Thyrllan

[Ampelas]

Kaschan, you do realize that there's 3 scum in the game right?

[Kaschan]

Yes, I realize there are most likely 3 players on scum team. How there roles work I have no idea, meaning it could be 3 sharing 2 kills or 3 sharing 1 kill, odds of 3 scum 3 kills, we see after last night, are extremely low.

That is my opinion as of right now. I could be wrong, but it's the lens through which I am viewing the game at this point. I think it's very possible that the 3 scum are doing a credible job of not standing out.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 10 hours, 18 minutes remaining.

9 players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch. 5 to go to night.

1 Vote D'riss (Emurlahn)
2 Votes Emurlahn (Karatallid, Kaschan)
1 Vote Kaschan (Glayn Lord)

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Hood's Path, Ruse, Thyrllan

[Ruse]

OK, I've got a little bit of time to weigh in and have caught up.

I was looking over Karat's posts because I said earlier that he kind of backed off of his 'first' vote on future lynch target Serc. However, I didn't see much else that piqued my interest about Karat being mild-mannered, but I did see quite a few tepid-post examples from GL:

Galayn Lord, on Jul 28 2009, 04:49 AM, said:

I am back and surprised by HP's stance. I think his argument is that at three votes (although one is a joke?), when only seven are required, any counter must be a defense. But I agree with Sorrit that is a dangerous argument to follow, as the natural conclusion is it means once the train has started we can't have any other choices.

If that's not what you mean then fair enough, but you aren't explaining yourself very well.


Edit: Cross post.

He puts some pressure on HP (which I felt was appropriate) and then plays it down by trying to anticipate HP's answer.

Galayn Lord, on Jul 28 2009, 06:21 AM, said:

There's enough time for further discussion and even for different cases. I am not about to be harangued into a vote because you say so Sorrit.

I thought Karatallid's post about me and GL missing the point actually made sense...so I was starting a reread...so I will vote when I am good and ready.



Edit: Cross post

Another calm approach, this time to Sorrit's pressure for GL's vote. Side note, kind of an interesting/funny? mistake saying "me and GL missing the point." Why is GL saying, "me and GL?" (the post being referenced talks about Emur and GL)

Galayn Lord, on Jul 28 2009, 08:11 AM, said:

Well for me the most suspicious thing has been Serc's behaviour. He drops a second vote on Emurlahn, but when that train seems to stall he has a spat with Karatallid, but that didn't go anywhere (and depending on timing) could be seen as OMGUS (but that could apply to Karatallid as well). He then votes Thyrllan, which if it doesn't start a train will leave him comfortably able to hop on to another train later in the day.

I think Sorrit and HP are probably not scum, but I think there was something strange about that Emurlahn train...meh, could be Emur himself, but HP's arguments don't work for me. I think it has to do with Serc saying he thought HP's vote was sus but doing/saying nothing about it.

Vote Serc

Edit: Cross post

Just another set of soft punches. Offers a possible defense for Serc while dropping a vote on the future-lynchee, while offering the same defense to Karat. Plays nice with Sorrit and HP (Sorrit's dead and town, for reference). Seems okay to mention Emur as a focal point but backs off of HP's case as a votable reason.

Galayn Lord, on Jul 28 2009, 01:13 PM, said:

I've read the thread and was about to have a laugh at Ampelas' case on me...which is I preempted anyone accusing me of symping...there was a lot of that sort of accusation going on, but meh, I guess that's a pointless thing to say.

I also said Karatallid was being middle of the road....at a time (I think it might have even been a cross post) when others were picking up on the same thing...shortly after he became more assertive so that blew that out of the water. Then Ampelas says I threw some weak accusations out...err, no I didn't...I said I thought two people were probably innocent...durr. Then, shock horror, I made a case and voted.

But now I am beginning to wonder if we haven't got three scum. HP, Serc and Ampelas? Of the three I am least convinced by HP being scum, but Ampelas's 'last minute' attempted deflection does look suspicious, and who better to light on than someone who is voting for another scum? And HP's aggression seems unnecessary.

Vote Hoods Path

Seems willing to bite back if pushed a bit (by Ampelas in this case). Changes the Serc vote to HP over the argument, effectively changing the earlier position saying he thought HP was inno. Most noteworthy is that he's not calling out any one person, but a group.

Galayn Lord, on Jul 28 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

Okay, jic

Remove Vote

there's no need to be so hostile.

Galayn Lord, on Jul 28 2009, 01:23 PM, said:

Like I said there's no need to be so hostile, you put yourself out there and caused all the fuss, so don't go blaming us. And how can you crticise other's arguments when yours was...'too much spam, and lets apply pressure'. Why was your case so superior to everyone else's?

Galayn Lord, on Jul 28 2009, 01:28 PM, said:

Well I'm going back to my previous vote, because the reasons for that haven't changed.

Vote Serc

HP's reveal gets GL to back off and GL tries to play nice. He then re-votes Serc.

Galayn Lord, on Jul 29 2009, 07:10 AM, said:

Um...small question...not even sure what it means, if anything, but how could Ampelas have hammered when the reveal was at the same time as the level 1 vote? Probably nothing, but I don't think we should PI someone on a false premise.

I actually agree with GL's point here, even though he's still trying to play nice with most people. He also appears to have switched stances on Ampelas here, after calling him potential scum earlier.

Galayn Lord, on Jul 29 2009, 07:15 AM, said:

You have to admit, if HP and Thyr are paired (whether inno or scum) they have made a real pigs guts of the reveal business. I'm not about to CI or even PI them yet, but I really don't think they are paired!

More play nice.

Galayn Lord, on Jul 29 2009, 03:06 PM, said:

I'm not going to say anything about it being a quiet day. I haven't been around myself, at least not conciously, and at least there weren't pages and pages to catch up on. I am not touching the HP/Thyr/D'riss debacle with a 20 ft bargepole...mainly because if I do one of them is bound to start getting ansty about it (they are a short tempered trio ). And I suspect (although not enough to PI any of them) that they are all inno.

So, had a 'quick' read of Ruse. Not that I was pressed for time or anything but with only 3 posts it couldn't be anything other! I really hope he isn't scum, because that would be pretty annoying.

Of us lower posters Kaschan has been very obliging, but none of his posts contain any content. I know there have been lots of accusations of middle of the roading, but tbf I think getting in the middle of the handbag flailing would be - misguided. I swear I am inno, but I can see that my posts (other than the case) are probably wishy washy. And in truth I hesitate to say much now, as I made a case yesterday and okay it was day 1, and I did believe in what I said and would definately do the same again (hopefully with a different result though), but end result we are still down an inno.

What this incoherent medicated ramble is supposed to be saying is that Kaschan should step up and give an opinion on something, because (Ruse aside) so far he's the only one who hasn't, and isn't trying to ruffle any feathers...a good scum place to hide?

I dunno. I'm off to bed, but should be back before day times out.

So, is this a pressure vote...meh, whatever

Vote Kaschan

say something/if there is a better case I will vote it/I'll vote Emur/I vote for more medication...

Well I'm here for now, buddy. And it's kind of ironic that you're posting about being wishy-washy and then voting someone for the same.

[Ruse]

so TLDR, GL's playing the same kind of game he's voting on and is definitely trying to play nice with everyone. It's suspicious enough for me to

Vote Galayn Lord

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 9 hours, 3 minutes remaining.

9 players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch. 5 to go to night.

1 Vote D'riss (Emurlahn)
2 Votes Emurlahn (Karatallid, Kaschan)
1 Vote Kaschan (Glayn Lord)
1 Vote Galayn Lord (Ruse)

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Hood's Path, Thyrllan