[Karatallid]

Hmm. A 'pivotal' vote on Emur.

Ok, I'm interested in seeing more from HP, Sorrit, Serc and it would be nice for Emur to show up too.

I have some speculations, but they are just a sort of circular reasoning based on the back and forth that has already happened. Moar plz.

If anything, I'm feeling a more natural suspicion towards Sorrit, but I sincerely doubt that he's Emur's symp - it's just too soon and too obvious for him to come flying to that sort of defense. If anything, it's more likely this,

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or trying to associate with someone they (sorrit) know is innocent.

which is a bit scummy.

[Galayn Lord]

I am back and surprised by HP's stance. I think his argument is that at three votes (although one is a joke?), when only seven are required, any counter must be a defense. But I agree with Sorrit that is a dangerous argument to follow, as the natural conclusion is it means once the train has started we can't have any other choices.

If that's not what you mean then fair enough, but you aren't explaining yourself very well.


Edit: Cross post.

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 28 July 2009 - 11:50 AM

[Karatallid]

 Sorrit, on Jul 28 2009, 11:41 AM, said:

Your refusal to comment on the majority of the points I make is noted.

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 12:14 PM, said:

But he did nothing but spam and already had votes. Two points, spam and pressure. Voting you will see the pressure removed from emurlahn and your obvious and continued push away from him will be a success. therefore, denied.

You continue to turn my attack on you into a defence of Emur. I guess I just refer you to the comments I made on that upthread.

You think already having votes is a good reason to vote for someone? Maybe at the end of the day when we're rushing to get a lynch. Not at the start. You vote for the most suspicious looking player.

Confessing to being a sheep isn't helping you, IMO.

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And the massive response again adds more weight to my side i feel as you are over reacting to everything written and having to labour each individual point with a response to convey a weight to your words that they themselves lack through volume of space taken up.

You'd rather I wrote less? I try not to be redundant, but i'm not going to silence myself to make you more comfortable.

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Are you also so dense that you cannot recognise that 3 votes is a pivotal number in a game when only 7 are required?

I still don't understand the point you're trying to make here.

I understand the point HP is trying to make, not sure why you don't. However, I also must admit I viewed your first post as an attack on HP rather than a defense of Emur - a point HP is ignoring - and also why I don't believe you're a symp.

As I'm typing this, I'm find myself feeling like this back and forth is more likely a day 1 pissing contest.

Question for HP: I understand adding pressure and agree that a 3rd vote does add that pressure. But is that really a good way to do it, considering day 1 tends to end in a sheeple vote of an inno? You've already got'em halfway there.

edit: cross post

This post has been edited by Karatallid: 28 July 2009 - 11:54 AM

[Sorrit]

 Karatallid, on Jul 28 2009, 12:48 PM, said:

If anything, I'm feeling a more natural suspicion towards Sorrit,

Why?

Edit: crosspost.

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 28 July 2009 - 11:54 AM

[Karatallid]

 Sorrit, on Jul 28 2009, 11:54 AM, said:

 Karatallid, on Jul 28 2009, 12:48 PM, said:

If anything, I'm feeling a more natural suspicion towards Sorrit,

Why?

Edit: crosspost.

Actually, I've decided I'm not terribly suspicious of either of you (well, no more than anyone else, this IS mafia )

The reason why is the possibility your play is a ploy to defend an inno and make yourself look sympathetic when he gets lynched and CI's inno.

In regards to HP, I think that's just his style of play (not that that PIs him of course)

[Hood's Path]

 Karatallid, on Jul 28 2009, 12:53 PM, said:

I understand the point HP is trying to make, not sure why you don't. However, I also must admit I viewed your first post as an attack on HP rather than a defense of Emur - a point HP is ignoring - and also why I don't believe you're a symp.

As I'm typing this, I'm find myself feeling like this back and forth is more likely a day 1 pissing contest.

Question for HP: I understand adding pressure and agree that a 3rd vote does add that pressure. But is that really a good way to do it, considering day 1 tends to end in a sheeple vote of an inno? You've already got'em halfway there.

edit: cross post

i answered his accusation (that my vote was against spam and strange) and refuted it. also if you read sorrits post later he refutes it as well because he admits that there hasnt been much spam yet critisised me for voting for a player i felt was spamming.

As for putting the pressure on, sorry for not being a soft nd fluffy little bunny rabbit but the point of the game is to lynch people, setting up a speed lynch as there is only an hour left does not equate to pressure, putting votes on to force play with 17 hours left means people have to make a stand and show some stones. So i stand by my vote as lo and behold we now actually have some talk about something other than invisibility cloaks and shit in a foreign tongue.

edited to add not as i missed it out when typing the first time and subsequently made no sense.

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 28 July 2009 - 12:07 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 8 hours, 54 minutes remaining.

12 players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Sorrit, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch. 6 votes to go to night.

3 votes Emurlahn (Thyrllan, Serc, Hood's Path)
1 vote Hood's Path (Sorrit)


Not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kaschan, Omtose, Ruse

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 28 July 2009 - 01:59 PM

[Sorrit]

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 01:05 PM, said:

i answered his accusation (that my vote was against spam and strange) and refuted it. also if you read sorrits post later he refutes it as well because he admits that there hasnt been much spam yet critisised me for voting for a player i felt was spamming.

There hasn't been much spam in the game. We agree on that much.

You think that because there wasn't much spam, voting for someone for spamming too much is reasonable. I think that the opposite is the case - When there hasn't been much spam, voting for someone for spamming, when several other players have spammed more, is wierd.

So no, I don't think the point has been refuted.

[Hood's Path]

 Sorrit, on Jul 28 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 01:05 PM, said:

i answered his accusation (that my vote was against spam and strange) and refuted it. also if you read sorrits post later he refutes it as well because he admits that there hasnt been much spam yet critisised me for voting for a player i felt was spamming.

There hasn't been much spam in the game. We agree on that much.

You think that because there wasn't much spam, voting for someone for spamming too much is reasonable. I think that the opposite is the case - When there hasn't been much spam, voting for someone for spamming, when several other players have spammed more, is wierd.

So no, I don't think the point has been refuted.

but spliting the voting over another player (which would make three on one or two votes) stagnates the game whereas voting for a third time on opne player evokes discussion and coupled with a lack of content and spam they are a viable suspect for a scum role. Now despite you saying you are attacking me and not defending emurlahn you every argument toward me is based on the fact that there are more spamming players than emurlahn which means you are in fact defending him.

[Sorrit]

 Karatallid, on Jul 28 2009, 12:58 PM, said:

Actually, I've decided I'm not terribly suspicious of either of you (well, no more than anyone else, this IS mafia )

The reason why is the possibility your play is a ploy to defend an inno and make yourself look sympathetic when he gets lynched and CI's inno.

In regards to HP, I think that's just his style of play (not that that PIs him of course)

So who do you suspect?

[Karatallid]

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 12:05 PM, said:

 Karatallid, on Jul 28 2009, 12:53 PM, said:

I understand the point HP is trying to make, not sure why you don't. However, I also must admit I viewed your first post as an attack on HP rather than a defense of Emur - a point HP is ignoring - and also why I don't believe you're a symp.

As I'm typing this, I'm find myself feeling like this back and forth is more likely a day 1 pissing contest.

Question for HP: I understand adding pressure and agree that a 3rd vote does add that pressure. But is that really a good way to do it, considering day 1 tends to end in a sheeple vote of an inno? You've already got'em halfway there.

edit: cross post

i answered his accusation (that my vote was against spam and strange) and refuted it. also if you read sorrits post later he refutes it as well because he admits that there hasnt been much spam yet critisised me for voting for a player i felt was spamming.

As for putting the pressure on, sorry for not being a soft nd fluffy little bunny rabbit but the point of the game is to lynch people, setting up a speed lynch as there is only an hour left does not equate to pressure, putting votes on to force play with 17 hours left means people have to make a stand and show some stones. So i stand by my vote as lo and behold we now actually have some talk about something other than invisibility cloaks and shit in a foreign tongue.

edited to add not as i missed it out when typing the first time and subsequently made no sense.

Please be a soft bunny rabbit HP. Pwetty Pwease?

[Hood's Path]

the bunny rabbit reference was actually a double edged joke as last night while walking with the old man we came across two rabbits fighting, at least thats what it looked like, when we got closer it became apparent that one was aggressively amorous while the other was running for dear life

[Sorrit]

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

but spliting the voting over another player (which would make three on one or two votes) stagnates the game whereas voting for a third time on opne player evokes discussion

Really? Too often the first choice gets lynched with little in the way of discussion or alternatives.

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and coupled with a lack of content and spam they are a viable suspect for a scum role.

So you think Emur has deliberately left the thread as soon as real discussion got underway? Otherwise, i'm not sure why the lack of contribution is suspicious. I assume he'll be back. If not, he's as good a lynch as any non-contributor.

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Now despite you saying you are attacking me and not defending emurlahn you every argument toward me is based on the fact that there are more spamming players than emurlahn which means you are in fact defending him.

You continually ignore the points, instead saying that i'm defending Emur. If saying that your reasons for voting for Emur make little sense to me is a defence of Emur, then yes, i'm defending Emur. But that's not my intention, i'm much more interested in you.

[Karatallid]

 Sorrit, on Jul 28 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

 Karatallid, on Jul 28 2009, 12:58 PM, said:

Actually, I've decided I'm not terribly suspicious of either of you (well, no more than anyone else, this IS mafia )

The reason why is the possibility your play is a ploy to defend an inno and make yourself look sympathetic when he gets lynched and CI's inno.

In regards to HP, I think that's just his style of play (not that that PIs him of course)

So who do you suspect?

EVERYONE!

No more than "feelings" at the moment though.

[Sorrit]

 Karatallid, on Jul 28 2009, 01:24 PM, said:

EVERYONE!

No more than "feelings" at the moment though.

That's not helpful.

[Karatallid]

Isn't serc voting emur BECAUSE of emur's contribution? i.e., his summary? So to say emur disappeared once discussion started isn't accurate. I'm actually wondering about Serc doing the same thing.


Sorry for not being helpful sorrit. Should I just become a violent bunny rabbit and hump everyone's leg to help find the scum?

[Sorrit]

 Karatallid, on Jul 28 2009, 01:31 PM, said:

Sorry for not being helpful sorrit. Should I just become a violent bunny rabbit and hump everyone's leg to help find the scum?

Oh Christ, the gay dragon's at it again....

[Sorrit]

 Karatallid, on Jul 28 2009, 01:31 PM, said:

Isn't serc voting emur BECAUSE of emur's contribution? i.e., his summary? So to say emur disappeared once discussion started isn't accurate. I'm actually wondering about Serc doing the same thing.

I think the point is that that summary was not contribution. It said nothing new or interesting.

[Hood's Path]

 Karatallid, on Jul 28 2009, 01:31 PM, said:

Isn't serc voting emur BECAUSE of emur's contribution? i.e., his summary? So to say emur disappeared once discussion started isn't accurate. I'm actually wondering about Serc doing the same thing.


Sorry for not being helpful sorrit. Should I just become a violent bunny rabbit and hump everyone's leg to help find the scum?

if thats a description of my play i am very worried about your thought processes.

[Hood's Path]

 Sorrit, on Jul 28 2009, 01:24 PM, said:

Really? Too often the first choice gets lynched with little in the way of discussion or alternatives.

and yet here we are. How odd.

The fact is setting a train in motion when there is almost half the day still to go is a good way of testing the waters, whereas just blindly voting without any strategy for how you play is a good way to hamper your team rather than aid it.