[Korbas]

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 08:57 PM, said:

Korbas, on Jul 16 2009, 11:54 AM, said:

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

i suppose taking out scum would be the best plan for scum if they've gotta be the last one left alive to win. no point targeting innos who probly cant vig them if theyre tryin to get into the endgame

Hmm, on the other hand, scum can help each other thin out the heard of innos. For instance, if you are the last scum standing in a crowd of 10 innos, you're probably not going to make it, especially with finds and guards and heals and BPs.

not really... all you have to do is keep quiet and not use your kills, stopping innos gaining knowledge, until the final night when only one or two are left, then you win, presumably

Lol, if you are scum, then tell me how that works out for you. Even without finds, your chances of being one of the last 2 to not get lynched out of 10 people with no kills is 20%, i.e. "you're probably not going to make it." Plus that would just be a boring-ass game.

[Anthras]

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 09:03 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jul 16 2009, 01:01 PM, said:

victory condition for scum is last man standing.
If one scum and one town stand as the last two and the scum somehow is unable to kill the townie (which may or may not be possible), then the scum loses.

well all he has to do is wait for day to time out and kill em, if he has a killing power

hmmm

Unless they have a reaction power were if they are targeted the person who targeted them dies. In which case the scum would lose. The fun time would be for a scum to get to be the last man standing when 3 people are left.

[Eloth]

worst case scenario people

[Korbas]

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

worst case scenario people

I'm not sure whom this comment is directed at or how it's pertinent to the conversation.

I'd say that 10v1 is as best-case-scenario as we're gonna get, so are you saying you're scum?

And if it was directed at something earlier, you were the one saying scum are likely trying to kill other scum, which, again, would be best-case for the town, so, again, you are scum then?

edit: fail at typing

This post has been edited by Korbas: 16 July 2009 - 08:35 PM

[Eloth]

in a game like this, would an inno try and twist my words to make me look like scum, instead of actually looking for scum?
Vote Korbas

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 33 hours and 18 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korbas, Silanah

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night

2 votes for Fener: ( Fener, Atrahal )
1 vote for Korbas: ( Eloth )

Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korbas, Silanah

[Anthras]

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 08:14 PM, said:

worst case scenario people

Worst Case scenario would be that you all are scum with me being the only RI left in the game. Right now it is a race to see which of you will be left alive to kill me at the end of the game. As it is last scum standing this actually might be true. No paranoia to see here. Keep moving.

Also nice way to respond to Korbas questions by instead of answering him, voting for him. Nothing scumming in that move at all. No sir.

[Anthras]

Korbas, on Jul 16 2009, 08:34 PM, said:

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

worst case scenario people

I'm not sure whom this comment is directed at or how it's pertinent to the conversation.

I'd say that 10v1 is as best-case-scenario as we're gonna get, so are you saying you're scum?

And if it was directed at something earlier, you were the one saying scum are likely trying to kill other scum, which, again, would be best-case for the town, so, again, you are scum then?

edit: fail at typing

He did say WCS not BCS. You never play a game at BCS. In BCS I stand 6 ft tall am good looking and hung. Oh wait that is RL so never mind.

[Korbas]

Anthras, on Jul 16 2009, 10:03 PM, said:

Korbas, on Jul 16 2009, 08:34 PM, said:

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

worst case scenario people

I'm not sure whom this comment is directed at or how it's pertinent to the conversation.

I'd say that 10v1 is as best-case-scenario as we're gonna get, so are you saying you're scum?

And if it was directed at something earlier, you were the one saying scum are likely trying to kill other scum, which, again, would be best-case for the town, so, again, you are scum then?

edit: fail at typing

He did say WCS not BCS. You never play a game at BCS. In BCS I stand 6 ft tall am good looking and hung. Oh wait that is RL so never mind.

Right, it just seemed to me like he was calling the BCS for the town the WCS. I still have no idea what he was trying to say.

[Korbas]

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

in a game like this, would an inno try and twist my words to make me look like scum, instead of actually looking for scum?
Vote Korbas

I was just poking you for not making any sense, but way to over-react there.

[Anthras]

Korbas, on Jul 16 2009, 10:17 PM, said:

Anthras, on Jul 16 2009, 10:03 PM, said:

Korbas, on Jul 16 2009, 08:34 PM, said:

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

worst case scenario people

I'm not sure whom this comment is directed at or how it's pertinent to the conversation.

I'd say that 10v1 is as best-case-scenario as we're gonna get, so are you saying you're scum?

And if it was directed at something earlier, you were the one saying scum are likely trying to kill other scum, which, again, would be best-case for the town, so, again, you are scum then?

edit: fail at typing

He did say WCS not BCS. You never play a game at BCS. In BCS I stand 6 ft tall am good looking and hung. Oh wait that is RL so never mind.

Right, it just seemed to me like he was calling the BCS for the town the WCS. I still have no idea what he was trying to say.

I think that he was asking for people's ideas of the WCS right now. At least that is what I think. Really I have no clue as the sentence didn't have any structure what so ever.

[Anthras]

I killet the thread. Yep I killedet it.

Oh well. I to have RL things to do.

[Gamelon]

So, I went back through Emurlahn's and Okaros' posts. I have no clue why Okaros was targeted. I didn't see anything in the posts that would tip his hand as scum. Either a feud vote, or random target, imo.

Emurlahn, on the other hand, was playing like a killer in an inno m & p game. Got into a bit of a rumble with Silanah. Contributed to content and lynch. Which, spells out careful pretty good killer to me. Now, a scum could have targeted him because he recognizes scum play in Emur's posts, but he played it well... so.

Could be an attempt to frame Silanah, who was managing to gather some heat by the end of day 1, but if scum wants Silanah dead all they have to do is kill him. Or, it could be a lucky kill or feud type thing.

One other, alternate explanation, for two successful scum kills: Scum targets a player. If they find another scum the kill goes through and they absorb a BP or some other sort of power. While scum targeting another player that's inno, they'll get no additional power. Perhaps?

Edit: grammar.

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 16 July 2009 - 09:44 PM

[Anomandaris]

Is anyone else finding this game frustrating? Normally the way the train on Emur switched to Barghast would have loads of info for us to consider. But now it's like, meh? The scum have no reason to deflect a train on anyone else and so there's nothing to see there. It's cool though, that was the nearest we've come in ages to actually lynching scum on day 1, lol.

I'm still struck by how the train built up after barghast said he was leaving and wouldn't be back before night, but once again it's a brick wall because Sorrit started the voting.

[Anthras]

Gamelon, on Jul 16 2009, 09:42 PM, said:

So, I went back through Emurlahn's and Okaros' posts. I have no clue why Okaros was targeted. I didn't see anything in the posts that would tip his hand as scum. Either a feud vote, or random target, imo.

Emurlahn, on the other hand, was playing like a killer in an inno m & p game. Got into a bit of a rumble with Silanah. Contributed to content and lynch. Which, spells out careful pretty good killer to me. Now, a scum could have targeted him because he recognizes scum play in Emur's posts, but he played it well... so.

Could be an attempt to frame Silanah, who was managing to gather some heat by the end of day 1, but if scum wants Silanah dead all they have to do is kill him. Or, it could be a lucky kill or feud type thing.

One other, alternate explanation, for two successful scum kills: Scum targets a player. If they find another scum the kill goes through and they absorb a BP or some other sort of power. While scum targeting another player that's inno, they'll get no additional power. Perhaps?

Edit: grammar.

I don't suppose you looked into the non-scum players to see why they might have been targeted. Not that any of it really matters as like all night kills it is WIFOM.
Personally I am hoping that all of you scum don't get BP's when you kill one another. That would make the game drag on after a couple of days. However it could be that a scum has to kill a scum in order to be able to kill again. If there is a high level of scum then that could easily be a possibility. Especially if a town vig would be able to get the same ability. Oh I like that idea. If a vig or scum kill a non scum then they might get what ever ability that person had assuming they had an ability. Why then the person who scum would most not want to kill would be someone with out an ability cause then they would be scum with out a power. That is twisted and might be complex enough to be a tmdi 10.

[Gamelon]

Ano: It's been my experience, so far, to note that most lynches occur while the person being lynched is not around. Psychologically easier, I'd imagine, to vote someone off when they are gone than while they are sitting their attempting to defend themselves.

Edit: Anthras, I noted other votes while I was around the Emurlahn and Okaros' posts, and tried to note why they were being voted if they were getting votes. No help on Okaros there. And people started jumping on Emurlahn, and then the train just shifted.

If we are assuming, and I believe rightfully, there are no symps, looking at that switch doesn't really help at all. The only way that would be possible is if there are symps who take over their masters power when they are killed. In that case, the master would eventually have to kill the symp before he could win, and would provide a neat late game dynamic if both were still around and symp is "town" until he becomes scum and can win as both. But, I think that is far-fetched and occam's razor says no symps.

Edit: xp and response.

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 16 July 2009 - 09:57 PM

[Anthras]

Anomandaris, on Jul 16 2009, 09:49 PM, said:

Is anyone else finding this game frustrating? Normally the way the train on Emur switched to Barghast would have loads of info for us to consider. But now it's like, meh? The scum have no reason to deflect a train on anyone else and so there's nothing to see there. It's cool though, that was the nearest we've come in ages to actually lynching scum on day 1, lol.

I'm still struck by how the train built up after barghast said he was leaving and wouldn't be back before night, but once again it's a brick wall because Sorrit started the voting.

Well once Barghast got 4 votes and nobody else had any he was pretty much done. By the time I got on he was the only choice. Although I would have not voted if I had known that we were going to lose 4 people at night.

[Anthras]

Gamelon, on Jul 16 2009, 09:52 PM, said:

Ano: It's been my experience, so far, to note that most lynches occur while the person being lynched is not around. Psychologically easier, I'd imagine, to vote someone off when they are gone than while they are sitting their attempting to defend themselves.

This is very true. Which is why it sucks to be silencer or Gavin and down to the last handful of players.

[Gamelon]

Kessobahn, you are naked.

[Anomandaris]

Scummy play though, regardless of whether the person (by that I mean the voter) is inno or not. At least give a body a chance to defend themselves. Don't get me wrong I voted for him, but by that time there wasn't a whole bundle of options. W/e, it's just another brick wall.