[Korlat]

For the moment, I am derailing the Liosan lynch. Psychologically, he doesn't play as a power role or a leader, or someone who is paired. He's being neither careful, nor logical. If he had a partner, they'd be reigning him in. Perhaps he'd be playing an aggresive Leader to try and inspire an attack on him to try and see who his allies are; but none of us in this game are new players, in fact, I see a lot of skill. I see him being someone with a useless or no power, so he's not a target for me, yet. In order to get a majority easily, the best way to play this game would be remove the power roles of opposing teams while keeping your own secure.
If I explain my motives for my above vote, it becomes an absolutely powerless gesture. I'll lynch Liosan if I don't see what I'm looking for, or anything else better, but until then, I will be on the prowl.

[Liosan]

Kaschan, on Jul 7 2009, 11:45 AM, said:

Now any other case is a prevent the lynch attack. hmmm.

fairly aggresive player, jumping on and attacking anybody.

vote liosan

Now thats two votes, does that make you the only viable lynch?

haha, yeah, cause you know, two questions at a time when nothing happens and I'm agressive.

Now, I wonder how you can be so confident that i'm not on your team. Me being agressive shouldn't tell you anything about my allegiance in itself. Nor really about my role. So how can you be confident that i'm not with you?

I've been a bit back and forth, but the only players I've really placed pressure on are Mockra and Hood's Path.

You didn't vote Hood's Path, and we know it seems which faction he was in, which makes me quite confident that you were in that faction too and that you knew who he was. you didn't vote for him either, which further strenghtens that.

Now, say that HP was the leader of your faction. That would explain why you think i'm not on your team and also why you want me lynched. Yet you're in a weakened faction now and so I guess you try to make up some strange reason for voting me. Being somewhat agressive in a merc game, oh noes. Mockra votes for me too, which follows up on my earlier point about him jumping on HP to distance himself. How would he know that I'm not in his faction? I only ever voted for HP, so it's naturall then to think he's with you.

I think you're an important role of the HP faction. You've kept quiet and to the background while Mockra has been acting more like a peon.

Kaschan

I don't see why we should not want to have a faction out of the picture. With two members down there's not much to worry about anymore from that direction I feel.

[Korlat]

Liosan, on Jul 7 2009, 02:02 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Jul 7 2009, 11:45 AM, said:

Now any other case is a prevent the lynch attack. hmmm.

fairly aggresive player, jumping on and attacking anybody.

vote liosan

Now thats two votes, does that make you the only viable lynch?

haha, yeah, cause you know, two questions at a time when nothing happens and I'm agressive.

Now, I wonder how you can be so confident that i'm not on your team. Me being agressive shouldn't tell you anything about my allegiance in itself. Nor really about my role. So how can you be confident that i'm not with you?

I've been a bit back and forth, but the only players I've really placed pressure on are Mockra and Hood's Path.

You didn't vote Hood's Path, and we know it seems which faction he was in, which makes me quite confident that you were in that faction too and that you knew who he was. you didn't vote for him either, which further strenghtens that.

Now, say that HP was the leader of your faction. That would explain why you think i'm not on your team and also why you want me lynched. Yet you're in a weakened faction now and so I guess you try to make up some strange reason for voting me. Being somewhat agressive in a merc game, oh noes. Mockra votes for me too, which follows up on my earlier point about him jumping on HP to distance himself. How would he know that I'm not in his faction? I only ever voted for HP, so it's naturall then to think he's with you.

I think you're an important role of the HP faction. You've kept quiet and to the background while Mockra has been acting more like a peon.

Kaschan

I don't see why we should not want to have a faction out of the picture. With two members down there's not much to worry about anymore from that direction I feel.

Devil's Advocate time, Liosan.
By putting pressure on two players, you have potentially alienated one or two factions; however, I think we can assume not every member of a faction knows everyone else, so this line of reasoning is flawed; Mockra and Kaschan are probably not aligned. Kaschan is jumping on you because your aggression is an easy play-style to use to motivate players against you; no one likes having a loose cannon wheeling about the game, and if he can portray you as such (as he's doing now, by goading you into an OMGUS vote), he makes you a much bigger target.
Also, this allows him to test and see other members of your faction.
The chance of Kaschan being in HP's team is about 3 or 4 in 17, which doesn't make you look big or clever. Deep breaths. Don't let Kaschan goad you into a lynch. Anyone who tries to play a game by dancing us around on psychological puppet strings is always dangerous to my mind.

[Liosan]

Korlat, on Jul 7 2009, 12:09 PM, said:

Devil's Advocate time, Liosan.
By putting pressure on two players, you have potentially alienated one or two factions; however, I think we can assume not every member of a faction knows everyone else, so this line of reasoning is flawed; Mockra and Kaschan are probably not aligned. Kaschan is jumping on you because your aggression is an easy play-style to use to motivate players against you; no one likes having a loose cannon wheeling about the game, and if he can portray you as such (as he's doing now, by goading you into an OMGUS vote), he makes you a much bigger target.
Also, this allows him to test and see other members of your faction.
The chance of Kaschan being in HP's team is about 3 or 4 in 17, which doesn't make you look big or clever. Deep breaths. Don't let Kaschan goad you into a lynch. Anyone who tries to play a game by dancing us around on psychological puppet strings is always dangerous to my mind.

True enough. But it makes sense that all players knows the identity of their leader. I certainly know the identity of mine. So, as such my argument makes sense with HP placed as the leader.

Now, my vote is omgus, but I do think that my reasoning is sound and that Kaschan is a power role.

This post has been edited by Liosan: 07 July 2009 - 10:12 AM

[Korlat]

In other words, I'm not on your team, but Kaschan is a danger. Just don't make yourself look like an idiot and give him more credibility.

[Korlat]

HP was a peon, remember. He came up as a nameless role.

[Kaschan]

i just avoided the spam my friend. Plus seeing the drunk speech last night and coupled with the aggression my guess would be your actually a leader. now which faction?? hmm well i doubt you camora though you imply hp was a power role. You could be barsavi as they want the camora dead, but i think thats too obvious. Now the gb are an interesting bet cause, well they should be dubious of the camora and want to push hard as the camora are searching for them. so it might seem like i am pushing hard for you when i think you are a threat to my faction.

and yes hp was a leader of the camora, he was in fact roland and the handler for myself and i assume another. I am a finder see, and each night i can investigate someone and the result was to be shared with roland who was a killer. I am afraid i cannot reveal my other leaders identity though they you knew of course their role name. you sir are the falconer and a threat. my guess is you are the killer of the gray kings faction, and it will give me great pleasure to lynch you.

i doubt i will live through the night, but there was no indication that the spider would recieve my info directly so i guess i just have to be a little aggressive myself

[Korlat]

Wait, damnit, it's only faction CF

[Liosan]

mind you, your symping is cute

[Kaschan]

i like to play nice in the mornings

[Kaschan]

plus my faction leaders made a bit of a mess of things yesterday so i am going to hopefully keep some heat away fromt hem, either through sacrificie or aggresion it is a merc game after all.

[Korlat]

Kaschan, on Jul 7 2009, 02:13 PM, said:

i just avoided the spam my friend. Plus seeing the drunk speech last night and coupled with the aggression my guess would be your actually a leader. now which faction?? hmm well i doubt you camora though you imply hp was a power role. You could be barsavi as they want the camora dead, but i think thats too obvious. Now the gb are an interesting bet cause, well they should be dubious of the camora and want to push hard as the camora are searching for them. so it might seem like i am pushing hard for you when i think you are a threat to my faction.

and yes hp was a leader of the camora, he was in fact roland and the handler for myself and i assume another. I am a finder see, and each night i can investigate someone and the result was to be shared with roland who was a killer. I am afraid i cannot reveal my other leaders identity though they you knew of course their role name. you sir are the falconer and a threat. my guess is you are the killer of the gray kings faction, and it will give me great pleasure to lynch you.

i doubt i will live through the night, but there was no indication that the spider would recieve my info directly so i guess i just have to be a little aggressive myself

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
Oh, wait, people might listen to you.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*pauses, takes a deep breath*
You are lying, and I know WHY you are lying.
If you were a finder, and your leader/partner had just died, while you had a faction "overlord" still around and potentially more allies, you would have had nothing to lose by posting the result of last night's find for us all to see. There's a 2/3 chance they were enemies of yours, and a 1/3 chance they were neutral. A reveal like this is designed to draw fire, and muddle up the playing field.

[Kaschan]

theres gray king member number 2

[Korlat]

Barghast, on Jul 7 2009, 02:15 PM, said:

Korlat, on Jul 7 2009, 10:13 PM, said:

In other words, I'm not on your team, but Kaschan is a danger. Just don't make yourself look like an idiot and give him more credibility.

Hold on, you're saying you aren't in Lio's faction? That's interesting. Because you are making yourself a potential load of enemies, there. Strange that you're being so nice and helpful to Lio, as well...

I've already guessed Liosan's faction and thus he's no danger to me (make of that what you will). On the other hand, I don't believe Kaschan's reveal, and I don't know his faction, so I am prepared to work against him with any available potential allies to determine it.

[Kaschan]

Korlat, on Jul 7 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Barghast, on Jul 7 2009, 02:15 PM, said:

Korlat, on Jul 7 2009, 10:13 PM, said:

In other words, I'm not on your team, but Kaschan is a danger. Just don't make yourself look like an idiot and give him more credibility.

Hold on, you're saying you aren't in Lio's faction? That's interesting. Because you are making yourself a potential load of enemies, there. Strange that you're being so nice and helpful to Lio, as well...

I've already guessed Liosan's faction and thus he's no danger to me (make of that what you will). On the other hand, I don't believe Kaschan's reveal, and I don't know his faction, so I am prepared to work against him with any available potential allies to determine it.

so i reveal my faction and lio's and you dont believe it. clearly lio is your leader. if he was another faction from you then you wouldnt defend him, but would be happy to vote.

[Korlat]

Kaschan, on Jul 7 2009, 02:21 PM, said:

theres gray king member number 2

Wrong again, Kaschan by picking the Grey King as an enemy faction, you are using an age-old tactic of turning the most naturally vilified and potentially dangerous team into one opposing yourself; making me think you might be Grey King yourself, or Barsavi.

[Liosan]

Kaschan, on Jul 7 2009, 12:13 PM, said:

i just avoided the spam my friend. Plus seeing the drunk speech last night and coupled with the aggression my guess would be your actually a leader. now which faction?? hmm well i doubt you camora though you imply hp was a power role. You could be barsavi as they want the camora dead, but i think thats too obvious. Now the gb are an interesting bet cause, well they should be dubious of the camora and want to push hard as the camora are searching for them. so it might seem like i am pushing hard for you when i think you are a threat to my faction.

and yes hp was a leader of the camora, he was in fact roland and the handler for myself and i assume another. I am a finder see, and each night i can investigate someone and the result was to be shared with roland who was a killer. I am afraid i cannot reveal my other leaders identity though they you knew of course their role name. you sir are the falconer and a threat. my guess is you are the killer of the gray kings faction, and it will give me great pleasure to lynch you.

i doubt i will live through the night, but there was no indication that the spider would recieve my info directly so i guess i just have to be a little aggressive myself

Haha, yes that's good. The falconer would be about the scariest mofo around, so that will whip people into shape I guess. You're claiming though that you knew every memebr of your faction? I call bullshit. A merc game cannot work if every member of the factions are known to the others. I only know my leader. If you're faction knows of each other, you'd be insanely overpowered, which I don't think you are.

No, the more logical thing is for HP to be the leader and you his killer. A bit too convenient that the one who pointed out your faction also happens to be the most dangerous person in the books and the one you investigated night 1, don't you think?

[Korlat]

This is a mercenaries game; Do you really think I would symp my leader so obviously?