[Silanah]

Here are Emur's posts of note:

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All righty, I'm here. Spam has made a sort of return?

It's been ages since I read the book, need to go wiki to refresh my memory. I remember there was a husband and a wife that that became the Spider's successors at the end of the book. So I would imagine they are on the spider's team.

I would imagine the factions are reasonably closely balanced, I dont see how a faction with less than four people will have much of a chance.

To the wiki!

Joins in the discussion on the spider team make-up.

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The wiki article is pretty short and leaves out a couple of the details of the story, but there's enough info to make a rough guess at the factions, even if you havent read the books. I think a 5-5-4-4 thing is most likely. There's not as many names in the OP as there are players though, so some guessing at faction makeup is required. With the large number of non-leaders that have a close relationship (twins, husband and wife) it's likely every faction has a pair of players who can comm off thread. Would be an interesting twist if this was the case.

Makes a determination that each faction likely has 4 or 5 players. Also guesses at pairing off-thread comms.

Has some spam posts, and several more posts about the husband-wife that is assumed to be on the Spider team.

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It is possible the last character would be linked to the GB, but I doubt it. And I would expect them to people who were around at the time of the book.

Random thug is possible. Or some minor character who I have forgotten in the year or so since I read the book. I'm sure there's a couple.

Edit - kind spoiler, but two books later we STILL no nothing about Sabetha, so I seriously doubt she features.

Trying to help guess the mystery final character.

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Good morning thread

I have no problem voting HP - he's not my leader and with the most votes at the moment he seems the best bet for a lynch. Not 100% sure if the other random cases were attempts to derail HP's train or just people being odd (of which there seemed to be a lot last night), but it would make a nice cherry on top if it turned out to be true.

vote Hood's Path

Votes HP.

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Gotta do some work for a while. Hopefully I can get my head around this a little later. I agree that anyone revealing in a Merc game is a stupid move, since it will get you killed, even if you're telling the truth. That said, why then lie in the process? If you're likely to die to try take someone out you had better have a reason, else it's a pretty useless move. I dont really see why Kas would think Lio is worth sacrificing himself for from things on thread. Something funny is going here but I dont know what

Here's a fun post. He basically says revealing in merc gets you killed, which is true, but then says that there's no reason to reveal unless you think it's a good trade for your life. I find this amusing in the face of Gamelon's reveal.

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A-holy crap. Crazy shit happening. I would think the grey king is the closest to a foreign faction, so I'm guessing Lio was part of that. Kinda makes Kaschan's reveal more believable. Which means I still think he's the best lynch since anyone not in his faction has the potential to be outed by him.

Not sure what actually happened to Morgy though, I assume some kind of crazy day-vig? And the Korlat/Lio/Kas back and forth has given me a headache...

Stipulates that Lio was of the GK, but he joins in the Kaschan lynch (next post he votes Kaschan).

Emurlahn, on Jul 8 2009, 03:35 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jul 8 2009, 10:05 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jul 8 2009, 03:54 AM, said:

I have no reason to keep him around

Then put your money where your mouth is and vote.
If you do not know he's in your faction and he survived the night, he's a threat, plain and simple.

If there isnt a better case by the time I go to bed tonight I will, I just dislike speedlynches and there hasnt been much discussion yet today.

Gamelon seems to be egging Emur on to vote Korlat, but Emur is taking his time on it.

Some back-and-forth with Game and Korlat.

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I'm not sure if they're paired, but you have a valid point wrt to the change in Korlat's playstyle.

vote Korlat

Eventually votes Korlat.

[Silanah]

That's pretty much it, TBH. He's played a fairly good game, voted for two Spiders, including the leader, making it almost impossible for him to be one of the original members of that faction. No overt implication or suspicion in any of his posts. But like someone said last page, when you make a lot of sense, you gotta get lynched!

edit: I see Tellan drew a similar conclusion from his votes, which are pretty much the only things of note.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 09 July 2009 - 03:51 PM

[Emurlahn]

Sigh, it still seems like I'm the centre of attention. I can see how it might be construed that I am a leader, but I'm not. I don't know why Eloth made a case on Sil and I cant think why he would be trying to defend me by doing so.

I dont like the way Galain and Sil are trying to set up the next few days lynches already, it strikes me as a little bloodthirsty.

[Galain]

Okay, read through Emu, same conclusion as you two. He could be a leader, he's not mine, vote stays.

crosspost with Emu...lol

This post has been edited by Galain: 09 July 2009 - 04:02 PM

[Galain]

Emurlahn, on Jul 9 2009, 11:56 AM, said:

Sigh, it still seems like I'm the centre of attention. I can see how it might be construed that I am a leader, but I'm not. I don't know why Eloth made a case on Sil and I cant think why he would be trying to defend me by doing so.

I dont like the way Galain and Sil are trying to set up the next few days lynches already, it strikes me as a little bloodthirsty.

I don't see how I was setting lynches up. I saw people looking at Eloth and Tellan, beginning to draw conclusions about symping, and I suggested that, if we lynch you, we would then be better able to draw conclusions about the other two based on their behaviour regarding you. If anything I think I was trying to avoid doing a whole lot of work trying to pinpoint info about 3 people, when lynching one gives us some more info about two others.

[Silanah]

Emurlahn, on Jul 9 2009, 08:56 AM, said:

Sigh, it still seems like I'm the centre of attention. I can see how it might be construed that I am a leader, but I'm not. I don't know why Eloth made a case on Sil and I cant think why he would be trying to defend me by doing so.

I dont like the way Galain and Sil are trying to set up the next few days lynches already, it strikes me as a little bloodthirsty.

This is kind of amusing because the most suspicious person I have other than you is actually Galain and I will have no problem voting him tomorrow, based on CFs and guesses and such.

[Galain]

...I see...ouch.

edit: I maintain we need a pouty face smiley.

This post has been edited by Galain: 09 July 2009 - 04:07 PM

[Emurlahn]

Galain, on Jul 9 2009, 06:02 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jul 9 2009, 11:56 AM, said:

Sigh, it still seems like I'm the centre of attention. I can see how it might be construed that I am a leader, but I'm not. I don't know why Eloth made a case on Sil and I cant think why he would be trying to defend me by doing so.

I dont like the way Galain and Sil are trying to set up the next few days lynches already, it strikes me as a little bloodthirsty.

I don't see how I was setting lynches up. I saw people looking at Eloth and Tellan, beginning to draw conclusions about symping, and I suggested that, if we lynch you, we would then be better able to draw conclusions about the other two based on their behaviour regarding you. If anything I think I was trying to avoid doing a whole lot of work trying to pinpoint info about 3 people, when lynching one gives us some more info about two others.

All you'll from lynching me is my Faction. I dont see how that gives you any more on Tellan or Eloth.

Silanah, on Jul 9 2009, 06:04 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jul 9 2009, 08:56 AM, said:

Sigh, it still seems like I'm the centre of attention. I can see how it might be construed that I am a leader, but I'm not. I don't know why Eloth made a case on Sil and I cant think why he would be trying to defend me by doing so.

I dont like the way Galain and Sil are trying to set up the next few days lynches already, it strikes me as a little bloodthirsty.

This is kind of amusing because the most suspicious person I have other than you is actually Galain and I will have no problem voting him tomorrow, based on CFs and guesses and such.

I agree. It's pretty OMGUS I know but I may as well

vote Galain

[Silanah]

Galain, on Jul 9 2009, 09:06 AM, said:

...I see...ouch.

edit: I maintain we need a pouty face smiley.

Well look at it this way, if Emur dies and CFs Basarvi, everyone is going to laugh at Tapper in SH and want to find the GB, who will be seen as the domination faction. If he CFs GB, everyone is going to want to find the Basarvi since they may be tied with GK on numbers but they have one win condition satisfied, and if he CFs GK, everyone's going to probably go for the GB because it will be quite likely that Emur IS the Gray King and is dead, satisfying the GB's win condition and they are assumed to probably have a 1-up on player numbers.

This is of course further impacted by night results and such, but based upon Emur's CF and my guesses, you are probably my number 1 suspect for tomorrow, assuming we both live. That doesn't mean I'm setting up a lynch on you tomorrow any more than me pointing out possible teammates of Emur is setting up lynches on them.

[Tellan]

Silanah, on Jul 9 2009, 09:14 AM, said:

Galain, on Jul 9 2009, 09:06 AM, said:

...I see...ouch.

edit: I maintain we need a pouty face smiley.

Well look at it this way, if Emur dies and CFs Basarvi, everyone is going to laugh at Tapper in SH and want to find the GB, who will be seen as the domination faction. If he CFs GB, everyone is going to want to find the Basarvi since they may be tied with GK on numbers but they have one win condition satisfied, and if he CFs GK, everyone's going to probably go for the GB because it will be quite likely that Emur IS the Gray King and is dead, satisfying the GB's win condition and they are assumed to probably have a 1-up on player numbers.

This is of course further impacted by night results and such, but based upon Emur's CF and my guesses, you are probably my number 1 suspect for tomorrow, assuming we both live. That doesn't mean I'm setting up a lynch on you tomorrow any more than me pointing out possible teammates of Emur is setting up lynches on them.

Yup. Though this will be the case no matter who gets lynched, Emur remains the one with the most attention and action around him and therefore the one who's lynch we can draw the most information from in that regard.

However, that summary of tomorrow's focus faction-wise only holds if no one gets NK'd.

[Silanah]

Right, which is why I qualified my statement as such, and I think it's probably a stretch to assume there will be no deaths tonight, but I'd probably be shocked if there was more than one.

[Bent]

Just a quick heads up from Hetan. The forum will be off line in the not so distant future. She is going to pm Sixty and Ment 24 hours before they shut it down, to give us time prepare for the down time. I hhave asked her to copy me as well, so we can be sure that everyone is given a heads up. She's not real sure yet when it will happen, but was kind enough to give us ample warning. I'll post here if Ment or Sixty haven't, with the 24 hour heads up. There is a thread below

http://www.malazanempire.com/IPBforum/inde...showtopic=15687

if you want more details.

Also for anyone who doesn't know, there is a temp forum we use during crashes and stuff, the thread below has a link in the OP to get you there. Simply start an account like the one here and you can post and whine about lifes unfairness when the forum is down.

http://www.malazanempire.com/IPBforum/inde...p;f=12&id=1


Carry on.

[Tellan]

Probably won't happen until after the BBQ this weekend, though, so we should be good until late Sunday at least.

[Mentalist]

As I'll be away from Saturday till Monday, it's a good thing Bent's warning us like that.

[Galayn Lord]

Well if the down time is to mend the forum then I suppose it is for the greater good...but stll makes me sad .

Also another disappiontment, no reveals on my return?

Im no wiser than I was earlier, but Emur seems more likely to be a leader than the others in discussion, ie he's been defended and distracted from, and he isn't my leader so

Vote Emurlahn

but if anyone wants to do any heroic reveals then feel free.

[Galain]

Emurlahn, on Jul 9 2009, 12:10 PM, said:

Galain, on Jul 9 2009, 06:02 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jul 9 2009, 11:56 AM, said:

Sigh, it still seems like I'm the centre of attention. I can see how it might be construed that I am a leader, but I'm not. I don't know why Eloth made a case on Sil and I cant think why he would be trying to defend me by doing so.

I dont like the way Galain and Sil are trying to set up the next few days lynches already, it strikes me as a little bloodthirsty.

I don't see how I was setting lynches up. I saw people looking at Eloth and Tellan, beginning to draw conclusions about symping, and I suggested that, if we lynch you, we would then be better able to draw conclusions about the other two based on their behaviour regarding you. If anything I think I was trying to avoid doing a whole lot of work trying to pinpoint info about 3 people, when lynching one gives us some more info about two others.

All you'll from lynching me is my Faction. I dont see how that gives you any more on Tellan or Eloth.

Silanah, on Jul 9 2009, 06:04 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jul 9 2009, 08:56 AM, said:

Sigh, it still seems like I'm the centre of attention. I can see how it might be construed that I am a leader, but I'm not. I don't know why Eloth made a case on Sil and I cant think why he would be trying to defend me by doing so.

I dont like the way Galain and Sil are trying to set up the next few days lynches already, it strikes me as a little bloodthirsty.

This is kind of amusing because the most suspicious person I have other than you is actually Galain and I will have no problem voting him tomorrow, based on CFs and guesses and such.

I agree. It's pretty OMGUS I know but I may as well

vote Galain

Well, I'll know whether or not you were a non-leader in my faction, clearing Eloth and Tellan as your symps, or I'll know whether you were in another faction (which I rather suspect) and will then draw symp conclusions on the other two, based on their play regarding you. Like I said, I'm trying to avoid conclusions on them at the moment, to maintain a level of objectivity. Obviously, if you're one of the 3 member factions (by ?Sil's? numbers) then we won't wanna off Eloth and Tellan. At least until we knock down some more GBs.

[Galain]

Well, I gotta go out for a while. Be back later.

[Galayn Lord]

You know, theres one thing that's worrying me. Emur is being quite meek in his own defense. Now I know its WIFOM but if hes a leader wouldnt he be making more of a fuss? On the other hand he could want us to think that so we dont think hes a leader, in fact any desprate floundering would be too obvious, but...oh look Ive twisted myself so much I can see up my own ass.

I think Im stuck

Edit: Cross post

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 09 July 2009 - 06:05 PM

[Tellan]

Galayn Lord, on Jul 9 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

You know, theres one thing that's worrying me. Emur is being quite meek in his own defense. Now I know its WIFOM but if hes a leader wouldnt he be making more of a fuss? On the other hand he could want us to think that so we dont think hes a leader, in fact any desprate floundering would be too obvious, but...oh look Ive twisted myself so much I can see up my own ass.

I think Im stuck

Edit: Cross post

well you answered yourself there. Generally I find votes more likely to get sidetracked if the original targetee is calm and meek as you say, whereas if they are flustered or angry the sidetracking is less likely to happen. Emur is probably just trying to keep cool on the off-chance that we find someone else.

Plus, the calm/meek defence makes it seem like we're having a harder time convicting him and might draw out a reveal if someone sees it that way...

[Rashan]

Hey PS what is the time and vote count?