[Tellan]

Good morning!

I'm glad to see that there are finally some people online who also think that Gam's reveal/play was totally wacky. I was the only one saying that last night and the reason I ended up voting Emur was because it looked like I was trying to defend him and I wanted to convince that I wasn't.

Anyways, now that we have some more discussion and wider targets,
Remove Vote
for now. Hasn't been a PS update in a while, any idea how much time we have left?

[Tellan]

Had to look it up myself! About 12 hoursish...

[Karatallid]

Ok having doen a brief read, will do more later, i dont like the Emu train, it seems to be based entirely on the fact that Game targetted him with his reveal (which was probably fake) Then the votes following Silanahs were put on for such silly reasons, Galain seems to have jumped on just because its a target, which seems a bit thin and blood thirsty so i think theres something more then. Im very concerned abotu Tellans though as jumping on a train to prove the persons not your leader is not a very good reason and doesnt actually prove anything as i dont see it anywhere that you cant vote for your leader, if anything this action makes it look more likely that emu is a leader, so im wondering if its a deliberate ploy by tellan to finger Emu or not.

[Tellan]

Karatallid, on Jul 9 2009, 05:27 AM, said:

Ok having doen a brief read, will do more later, i dont like the Emu train, it seems to be based entirely on the fact that Game targetted him with his reveal (which was probably fake) Then the votes following Silanahs were put on for such silly reasons, Galain seems to have jumped on just because its a target, which seems a bit thin and blood thirsty so i think theres something more then. Im very concerned abotu Tellans though as jumping on a train to prove the persons not your leader is not a very good reason and doesnt actually prove anything as i dont see it anywhere that you cant vote for your leader, if anything this action makes it look more likely that emu is a leader, so im wondering if its a deliberate ploy by tellan to finger Emu or not.

Yes, it was deliberate. Not in the "I know he's a killer/leader/muffinmaker" sense, though. Rather a "I don't know who he is but if I vote him I won't be accused of defending him anymore and better him then me" type of ploy.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 4. 11 hours and 9 minutes remaining.

10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Rashan, Silanah, Tellan

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

1 vote for Silanah: ( Eloth )
2 votes for Emurlahn: ( Silanah, Galain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Rashan, Tellan

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 July 2009 - 01:13 PM

[Tellan]

Hello?

Hello?

Hello?

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[Ampelas]

Hi, just dropping in. I'll have more time to post in an hour or so, but just wanted to say that the update still lacks my vote on Galain.

[Rashan]

It was nice to hear from Eloth. Now it would be even nicer to hear from Karatallid. I hate having people around who I have no idea at all were they stand on things like global warming and Thermonuclear hand grenades. The two have nothing in common.

[Tellan]

Ampelas, on Jul 9 2009, 06:29 AM, said:

Hi, just dropping in. I'll have more time to post in an hour or so, but just wanted to say that the update still lacks my vote on Galain.

Maybe your vote was stolen or blocked by someone?

[Silanah]

Good morning everyone. I am thoroughly disappointed with the lack of 5+ pages of reveals and name-calling that has greeted me the last few mornings.

[Karatallid]

Tellan, on Jul 9 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

Karatallid, on Jul 9 2009, 05:27 AM, said:

Ok having doen a brief read, will do more later, i dont like the Emu train, it seems to be based entirely on the fact that Game targetted him with his reveal (which was probably fake) Then the votes following Silanahs were put on for such silly reasons, Galain seems to have jumped on just because its a target, which seems a bit thin and blood thirsty so i think theres something more then. Im very concerned abotu Tellans though as jumping on a train to prove the persons not your leader is not a very good reason and doesnt actually prove anything as i dont see it anywhere that you cant vote for your leader, if anything this action makes it look more likely that emu is a leader, so im wondering if its a deliberate ploy by tellan to finger Emu or not.

Yes, it was deliberate. Not in the "I know he's a killer/leader/muffinmaker" sense, though. Rather a "I don't know who he is but if I vote him I won't be accused of defending him anymore and better him then me" type of ploy.

Thats what im saying though, making it that obviouis that thats the reason your voting for him totally undermines that, and doesnt do anything to stop people from accusing you of defending him

[Galain]

Allo allo allo.

remove vote

Sorry guys, didn't think there'd be such a huff about me voting just before leaving.

However, with Eloth's little "case" it makes me think that Emu is in fact leader material. And I know he's definitely not mine. So,

:avote: Emurlahn

Happy now? I found a reason and everything.

[Silanah]

Now, to business. I had suggested the idea that the fast tag-on votes suggested someone in that pair might want to see yet another lynch in < 24 hours, so I am not surprised to see people examining it as such. However, I'm not ready to remove my vote on Emurlahn at this time.

He's playing it pretty well and not freaking out over the votes, which might normally make me less suspicious, but I've seen a possible defense of him by Tellan and another, more vehement one by Eloth (Ampelas had the Galain vote in there, but his explanation was sufficient for me).

So, for the time being, I believe the vote is rightly placed.

edit: xposted, naturally

This post has been edited by Silanah: 09 July 2009 - 03:03 PM

[Silanah]

@ Karat, the truth is there's actually very little Tellan can do at this point to make his claim that he was not defending Emurlahn. His initial reaction and response have pretty much painted him as a potential symp of Emurlahn, and now he can abstain from voting and look like he doesn't want to vote his master or he can pile on voting and look like he's trying to distance from his master.

For the time being, I'm more interested to hear what he thinks about Eloth's case on me, or Ampelas's case on Galain, or even his own case.

[Galain]

In my opinion, we should gather a quote case against Emu (Something I'm willing to do, but will likely not do well) and, if we opt to lynch him, base our opinions of Tellan and Eloth of of his CF.

[Tellan]

Silanah, on Jul 9 2009, 08:05 AM, said:

For the time being, I'm more interested to hear what he thinks about Eloth's case on me, or Ampelas's case on Galain, or even his own case.

Very well:

Eloth, on Jul 9 2009, 01:08 AM, said:

Silanah, on Jul 8 2009, 06:17 PM, said:

Woowoo, stuff happened, and suddenly the GB and Basarvi are down 2 each, putting this game back to a dead heat, more or less.

II have a right to make my own cases....and as I saw this I am sure Silanah is trying to lead the game....deary practically jumps up and down at the death of two factions....so I think she's a Grey King and I think she rallied her troops to go for an easy lynch so she can get another night action in....I think it will only be easier tomorrow and she's been quietly trying to discredit and line up my lynch for a couple days....knows what she's doing for sure....and mad that I pointed it out on thread.... ...can't let people line up lynches in this game....have to stop them...you all knows that.

So here's the Eloth case on Sil. I can't say I see much of any value in it, basically it is just "Sil is trying to lead the pack, that makes him the GK". To me that's a pretty tenuous leap of logic and isn't nearly evidence enough for me. This case itself really doesn't have much and so I can see why some people think its an attempt at distracting us from Emur.

Ampelas, on Jul 8 2009, 12:38 PM, said:

Galain, on Jul 8 2009, 06:35 PM, said:

-cut out unnecessary meta stuff-

Ok, back to mafiaz...well done? I am pleased to see some whittling down of the GBs, it was high time they lost some guys. And, frankly, I'd like to see them lose some more. I think Rashan was pointed out as a possible GB? I'm gonna read him over.

I find this post quite interesting. It seems to me that now the teams are more-or-less even, the Grey King faction is the new hot faction to take down (since both other remaining factions have reason to want to see them gone), so a post saying, "Hey guys, let's keep going after the GB," seems like a distraction.

Frankly, I'd like to see the Grey King faction whitled down and, hey, I think I found one.

Vote Galain

This may have a little merit, Galain does appear to be trying to casually throw a bit of focus for the GBs into the hunt, which could surely be implicative of GKs. But Galain hasn't pursued it and this can really just be WIFOM up the ass, both from Galain and from Amp...

[Silanah]

Emurlahn, on Jul 8 2009, 11:06 PM, said:

So, what exactly is the case against me? The fact that I haven't made made big hints about my faction, or made some token statement about who I feel should be lynched; and Gam's story about vigging me twice?

For the first - that's pretty much the point of a merc game isnt it? A couple of people have made token "I think we should go after faction X" statements, but I'd be hesitant to take them at face value anyway. If you want to go after people who are unknown then people like Eloth or Karat spring to mind just for sheer lack of contribution.

And I have no idea what Gam was talking about. I dont have a BP and if I did I should be dead anyway for being vigged twice. I'm not sure if he was honest about having vigs, if he was I think it's likely he attracted a guard.

Just to add some context to the discussion, I wanted to respond to this post.

The case on Emurlahn is basically based initially on Gam's reveal. It was a dodgy reveal, but he intentionally revealed his faction with the full knowledge that he could be killed. I have some suspicions regarding it in that it may have made sense to reveal if he was actually the Basarvi leader and had lost his BP the previous night and figured that a reveal against someone he knew wasn't in his faction would possibly help him take out a few targets in the process. I'm not sure how he would have known Emur wasn't in his faction unless all leaders get role-find powers like the Spider apparently did.

Anyway, that's a lot of speculation, but the end result is, he took a hit for his faction to finger two people. Now I don't know what faction Emurlahn is, but he is NOT my leader. I realize this puts me in a position where I can only be one of two factions if he is, in fact, a leader, and it's possible Game fingered him simply knowing (or even guessing) that Emur wasn't in his faction. It's also possible Game fingered him as the leader of his own faction, as someone noted previously, with a lame reveal to try and keep him around for a while. So the final result is, not my leader? Check. Possible leader? Check.

The business with multiple BPs or Vigs can be negated with any discussion of healers, guards, or whatnot.

However, I didn't actually vote Emur until I thought Tellan put up what I thought was a stalling defense. It looked like a delay tactic and was enough for me to vote at that time. Not a concrete vote or a 100% convinced vote, but a solid vote at the time.

The reason I'm keeping my vote, even though I highly suspect Galain (or Tellan, trying to stall it out to maybe fake-symp Emur to pretend to be in his faction or any other type of WIFOM), is that I suspect we're at 4-3-3 in terms of factions right now and it looked to me that Eloth was defending Emurlahn, which would put his team at Emurlahn-Eloth-Tellan if I got that right, although I doubt it's totally correct. So it could be an entire team, or perhaps the team of 4 and one member is intentionally remaining quiet about it to avoid self-implication.

I'm sure this is a big crosspost.

[Silanah]

Galain, on Jul 9 2009, 08:16 AM, said:

In my opinion, we should gather a quote case against Emu (Something I'm willing to do, but will likely not do well) and, if we opt to lynch him, base our opinions of Tellan and Eloth of of his CF.

While this is probably a good idea considering how few of those we've actually had, you know as well as I do that it's going to be framed in a way designed to look incriminatory.

But I can go look into his posts. He only has.... 34.

[Galain]

Ironically enough, I was looking at the count yesterday after night and 34 is a lot more than most of the living players have(including myself)

[Tellan]

I'm not going to go read through the dozens of Emur's posts, but to give some further context, Emur was:

7th vote on the HP (Spider) lynch.
6th vote on the Kaschan (Spider) lynch.
4th vote on the Korlat (GB) lynch.

We don't know for sure what the starting numbers of each faction were, but the only 2 spiders who died were Obdi and DiBs, the leader and second of the faction, and Emur voted for both of them. There's distancing and all that, but he could've easily gotten away with missing at least one of the votes that early in the game, but he didn't. To me that makes it likely he's not one of the original Spiders, meaning of the 10 of us left there's 2 or 3 more spots that he can't be. He's an original GB, GK or Barsavi so there's a slightly improved probability that he is a leader of one of the factions.