[Hood's Path]

But WCS is one + DG

Edit: to make more clear.

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 26 June 2009 - 08:04 PM

[Galayn Lord]

Hood's Path, on Jun 26 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Are we all sure that Kara was first infected, what if she was infected the night she killed, D'riss infected at start but took a while to get the courage to speak out?

Cause if that was the case, I could have been infected night 1, disinfected night 1, thus DG has no infected.

BUT GAMELON DISINFECTED YOU NIGHT 1, APPARENTLY.

[Eloth]

There should be one normal infected and the DG. It doesnt look like the DG gets a vig or a BP, so hopefully timeout=stay home and Gam should be safe.

[Emurlahn]

Hood's Path, on Jun 26 2009, 09:02 PM, said:

Are we all sure that Kara was first infected, what if she was infected the night she killed, D'riss infected at start but took a while to get the courage to speak out?

Cause if that was the case, I could have been infected night 1, disinfected night 1, thus DG has no infected.

i think you would have been told if you were infected.

[Emurlahn]

Galayn Lord, on Jun 26 2009, 09:04 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 26 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Are we all sure that Kara was first infected, what if she was infected the night she killed, D'riss infected at start but took a while to get the courage to speak out?

Cause if that was the case, I could have been infected night 1, disinfected night 1, thus DG has no infected.

BUT GAMELON DISINFECTED YOU NIGHT 1, APPARENTLY.

he should be told if hes fucking infected!! even if he is immeadiaetly disinfected. plus where the fuck did that come from? why are you now implying you were infected?

[Eloth]

Hood's Path, on Jun 26 2009, 10:02 PM, said:

Are we all sure that Kara was first infected, what if she was infected the night she killed, D'riss infected at start but took a while to get the courage to speak out?

Cause if that was the case, I could have been infected night 1, disinfected night 1, thus DG has no infected.

Good lord read the damn OP, disinfect happens BEFORE infect so that isnt possible. And it's not the first time we've discussed this in thread either, pay some attention to the game!

[Hood's Path]

He would have known about me being infected,

infect is before the disinfect action, Gamelon could have recieved an alert or maybe his provisionals are.

Disinfect random

unless Hood's Path is infected then disinfect him

[Galayn Lord]

Emurlahn, on Jun 26 2009, 03:07 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jun 26 2009, 09:04 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 26 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Are we all sure that Kara was first infected, what if she was infected the night she killed, D'riss infected at start but took a while to get the courage to speak out?

Cause if that was the case, I could have been infected night 1, disinfected night 1, thus DG has no infected.

BUT GAMELON DISINFECTED YOU NIGHT 1, APPARENTLY.

he should be told if hes fucking infected!! even if he is immeadiaetly disinfected. plus where the fuck did that come from? why are you now implying you were infected?

I am implying I was infected? I'm not. Well, if I was I wasn't told about it. D'riss apparently was, so I assume I am not.

I read it wrong, I thought he was saying someone could have been disinfected night one and Karat infected night one.

His thing dosen't work because infect comes after disinfect, as Eloth pointed out earlier.

[Emurlahn]

Galayn Lord, on Jun 26 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jun 26 2009, 03:07 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jun 26 2009, 09:04 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 26 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Are we all sure that Kara was first infected, what if she was infected the night she killed, D'riss infected at start but took a while to get the courage to speak out?

Cause if that was the case, I could have been infected night 1, disinfected night 1, thus DG has no infected.

BUT GAMELON DISINFECTED YOU NIGHT 1, APPARENTLY.

he should be told if hes fucking infected!! even if he is immeadiaetly disinfected. plus where the fuck did that come from? why are you now implying you were infected?

I am implying I was infected? I'm not. Well, if I was I wasn't told about it. D'riss apparently was, so I assume I am not.

I read it wrong, I thought he was saying someone could have been disinfected night one and Karat infected night one.

His thing dosen't work because infect comes after disinfect, as Eloth pointed out earlier.

not you hp is now implying he was infected before the game started if i read him right so gamelon disinfected him night 1.

[Galayn Lord]

Hood's Path, on Jun 26 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

He would have known about me being infected,

infect is before the disinfect action, Gamelon could have recieved an alert or maybe his provisionals are.

Disinfect random

unless Hood's Path is infected then disinfect him

Can we ignore someones posts in these alts? I think it would be best for us all to put HP on ignore for the duration of this game. He is just causing confusion with the Town. I am sure the killers and DG are laughing their asses off right now.

[Emurlahn]

i am gonna vig him, someone help me please i beg you. anymroe of this and my brain will melt.

[Galayn Lord]

Emurlahn, on Jun 26 2009, 03:12 PM, said:

i am gonna vig him, someone help me please i beg you. anymroe of this and my brain will melt.

Please don't.

[Hood's Path]

Ok I don't know why Gamelon said he disinfected me night one, cause I didn't recieve a note saying I was infected.

I'm starting to think he mentioned to the mods about being away, and they gave him advanced notice of what would happen, he posted his reveal and other info, in case he gets killed tonight.

[Eloth]

I just went back to check, I find I must apologise - infect is in fact processed before disinfect. Could have sworn blind it was the other way round, even went to check the time I quoted the order in case it had been changed on the sly for some reason. Sorry. Kinda good for us I guess, since Gam can 'block' an infection.

[Galain]

Night will probably be long so I'm out for a while.

[Kaschan]

Thyrllan, on Jun 26 2009, 03:31 PM, said:

lol, Kaschan appears and hammers right off the bat with little to no discussion of why or anything. god i hate you kasch.

and im still optimistic that gam/hp are not duncan/janice (maybe one is but not the other) and this is a ruse brought upon by a finder finding out some combo of meanas, korlat or the dead players are the shrieks

Sorry, this time it was my goddam connection that went down, so I went to the arcade. Uh, festival sounds frightening. I don't know what to do.

EDIT: extra quote that got added for some reason. I'm beginning to think Thyr hates me.

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 26 June 2009 - 08:58 PM

[Liosan]

Holy ball-sack. I leave for a couple hours and the thread goes even further into stupid-land...

Good lord, HP, I don't know what to say... How could you think I was trying to get Game lynched? Like, what the FUCK? Game revealed and everyone was eating out of his hand up to the point of trying to lynch off the guy he built a poor case against. It kind of scared me, so I decided to remind people that there are these things called "fake-reveals" and trusting everything he says without proof could be very bad for us.

Admittedly, I guess I didn't fully think through my WCS, as if he were lying, as someone pointed out, the real Duncan/Janice could just disinfect him instead of counter-revealing. (Can a symp of the DG get disinfected though? He knows who the DG is and presumably was told who all the other infected are, so if he went back to being town, it's game-over for the DG.) If you're just a random infected, though, it certainly would be a pretty great way to get disinfected. The DG thinks you're trying to help him out by getting Duncan to counter-reveal, so he doesn't SO you.

I guess it's all pretty moot, though, with the HP reveal. I'm inclined to believe him, as he doesn't appear smart enough to put together a plan that would cause fake-revealing to fuck us all over. The inconsistency between Game saying he cured HP and HP saying he wasn't infected is a little troubling, but the theory that Game lied to keep HP safe is pretty solid. Only way of knowing for sure is just to wait until Game gets back and pray he's still alive when he does.

Let's see, what else... Oh, Mockra was town. GG. I am so freakin' pissed off at both Rashan and Mockra for making us waste two days of lynching because they were mentally challenged.

And holy fuck, everyone gets a BP or a vig. Wow. If Game was telling the truth, then there's one infected still around and you can bet your ass he's going for the vig tonight. And any other infected the DG now picks up are fairly likely to have vigs, too, so the chances of Game's survival are pretty grim... All I can say is if there's a healer around, well, I think your choice is now obvious.

One more thing,
@Eloth: Since when have other cults had the danger of losing members except through death (which, of course, they would be told about)? I really don't have much of a reason to think you're the DG anymore, but I am troubled by your reasoning nonetheless.

[Liosan]

That last comment was directed at this, in case that wasn't clear:

Eloth, on Jun 26 2009, 02:21 PM, said:

What extra information? It's standard practice that the cult isnt told if they lose a member and for the second recruiter not to be told who all of the recruits are. You acknowledge Gamelon has confirmed that I'm not the DG, and then still keep saying you think that's who you think I am. I think I've been pretty logical and I've explained exactly why I think the game works the way it does and it looks like you've pretty much ignored what I said.

While your WCS is technically possible, it doubt it's the case. It's just way to risky for a plain infected to fake without earning too much reward, and if it's a killer turned symp then Duncan's sister is sure to reveal.

You appear to be basing your beliefs on a supposed precedent which I don't think exists. I could be wrong, I suppose, but I've never before encountered a cult that could lose members except through death.

[Eloth]

Liosan, on Jun 26 2009, 10:58 PM, said:

Holy ball-sack. I leave for a couple hours and the thread goes even further into stupid-land...

Good lord, HP, I don't know what to say... How could you think I was trying to get Game lynched? Like, what the FUCK? Game revealed and everyone was eating out of his hand up to the point of trying to lynch off the guy he built a poor case against. It kind of scared me, so I decided to remind people that there are these things called "fake-reveals" and trusting everything he says without proof could be very bad for us.

Admittedly, I guess I didn't fully think through my WCS, as if he were lying, as someone pointed out, the real Duncan/Janice could just disinfect him instead of counter-revealing. (Can a symp of the DG get disinfected though? He knows who the DG is and presumably was told who all the other infected are, so if he went back to being town, it's game-over for the DG.) If you're just a random infected, though, it certainly would be a pretty great way to get disinfected. The DG thinks you're trying to help him out by getting Duncan to counter-reveal, so he doesn't SO you.

I guess it's all pretty moot, though, with the HP reveal. I'm inclined to believe him, as he doesn't appear smart enough to put together a plan that would cause fake-revealing to fuck us all over. The inconsistency between Game saying he cured HP and HP saying he wasn't infected is a little troubling, but the theory that Game lied to keep HP safe is pretty solid. Only way of knowing for sure is just to wait until Game gets back and pray he's still alive when he does.

Let's see, what else... Oh, Mockra was town. GG. I am so freakin' pissed off at both Rashan and Mockra for making us waste two days of lynching because they were mentally challenged.

And holy fuck, everyone gets a BP or a vig. Wow. If Game was telling the truth, then there's one infected still around and you can bet your ass he's going for the vig tonight. And any other infected the DG now picks up are fairly likely to have vigs, too, so the chances of Game's survival are pretty grim... All I can say is if there's a healer around, well, I think your choice is now obvious.

One more thing,
@Eloth: Since when have other cults had the danger of losing members except through death (which, of course, they would be told about)? I really don't have much of a reason to think you're the DG anymore, but I am troubled by your reasoning nonetheless.

That is a pretty good synopsis of the game at this point. I would imagine that infected are only told at the beginning of the day that they are infected, so there should hopefully only be one person trying to vig him tonight. Assuming Gam was told, I would think he would take a BP (why wouldnt he?), or that BP is the default action for a time out (since it doesnt require a target) he may actually survive the night.

And it hasnt happened for a while, but there have been games with decoders before, and the cult master was never told that the decode was successful. So I was thinking along those lines. It is possible that the DG does get told though, so I see your point.

Edit - and in games like that there was normally some system in place to prevent the decoded from just outing the leader. Not quite being put in a factionless state until the leader wins, but some pretty screwy mechanics. Anyway, I could see something similar happening in this game.

This post has been edited by Eloth: 26 June 2009 - 09:23 PM

[Kaschan]

What's decoder? I've never heard of that mechanic before.