[Silanah]

Galayn Lord, on Jun 24 2009, 09:37 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 24 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

So GL what do you think?

As I said in 602, why was Silanah misdirecting off Rashan? Why did Mockra freak out after a vote that could certainly be just a testing vote and go against what he said previously to vote?

And then Eloth, as I just noted, keeps saying 'leave the cult alone, find the scum'... now, I'm worried about the scum too, but I think the cult is more dangerous, afaik the cult can infect the scum and become ubercult with mushroom bombs.

I assume people die to mushroom bombs. I need to read this book, anyway... order of suspicion right now:
Mockra
Eloth
Silanah/Rashan.

Rashan's night vote was wierd... but he MIGHT have been confused thinking the DG would have forced their one target to vote how they wanted, and was hoping to get an infected gone. Silly, but possible. Stranger things have happened. As I noted, I don't like Silanah's misdirection off Rashan. But now he is apparently not suspicious of Mockra but suspicious of me and if I keep harping on it I am obviously a killer and am freaking out, so my rambling ends now.

Atm, I am not suspicious of you, though maybe I should be...

As for 'misdirecting' onto Mockra, sorry, if I don't feel like jumping on to the first train that everyone else is on, after all speed lynches are baaad right? All I did was poke at Mockra, looking for a reaction and Mockra freaked out. Still if you read back, you may notice I addressed my reason for looking at Mockra in the first place.

[Galayn Lord]

Silanah, on Jun 24 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jun 24 2009, 09:37 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 24 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

So GL what do you think?

As I said in 602, why was Silanah misdirecting off Rashan? Why did Mockra freak out after a vote that could certainly be just a testing vote and go against what he said previously to vote?

And then Eloth, as I just noted, keeps saying 'leave the cult alone, find the scum'... now, I'm worried about the scum too, but I think the cult is more dangerous, afaik the cult can infect the scum and become ubercult with mushroom bombs.

I assume people die to mushroom bombs. I need to read this book, anyway... order of suspicion right now:
Mockra
Eloth
Silanah/Rashan.

Rashan's night vote was wierd... but he MIGHT have been confused thinking the DG would have forced their one target to vote how they wanted, and was hoping to get an infected gone. Silly, but possible. Stranger things have happened. As I noted, I don't like Silanah's misdirection off Rashan. But now he is apparently not suspicious of Mockra but suspicious of me and if I keep harping on it I am obviously a killer and am freaking out, so my rambling ends now.

Atm, I am not suspicious of you, though maybe I should be...

As for 'misdirecting' onto Mockra, sorry, if I don't feel like jumping on to the first train that everyone else is on, after all speed lynches are baaad right? All I did was poke at Mockra, looking for a reaction and Mockra freaked out. Still if you read back, you may notice I addressed my reason for looking at Mockra in the first place.

Indeed you did, which is why you are at the bottom, as their might be misdirection involved, there might not. I was then and am still more ... concerned... about Mockra's reaction to the poke.

As for your other 'suspect' kara- I have pretty much no read on him, much like most of the posters in the game atm.

[Hood's Path]

Eloth mentions Tellan and me, fair does, saying he thought that he spotted something either one or us said. Ok he might have been busy, but this suggests that he may consider me or tellan as a vote. Of course day ends without him getting a vote.

Eloth, on Jun 23 2009, 01:01 AM, said:

Hmm, Tellan and HP are both players who caught my eye a little last (RL) night, I will have to do a reread to find specifics. Hopefully I will have time a little bit later.

@Emur - the main differences between the DG and a normal cult is that their is no unity of purpose within the DG's faction. The DG will definitely be a bigger threat late game when he can forcefully command a large voting block. Even at that point though there's nothing forcing the infected to play for a DG win, and very little info for them to use if they decide to do so. Noone knows who the DG is, unless they manage to get upgraded to fully-fledged symp, so the DG has noone to help keep him alive the way the killers do. The killers will likely be hunting the DG - even if they somehow all became infected they can still do so in the hopes of returning to their original faction. Any vigs could likely do the same thing. Having a decoder helps a little too, but he will likely only be useful when there are a larger number of infected and a better chance of successfully curing someone.

So yeah, he is a threat and can increase his numbers pretty reliably, but I have seen more powerful cult mechanics.

Again he mentions two players, but now he says that he considers them equally as a possible vote from him, also he brought up the infected revealing may be bad news to innos. Which seems odd cause it not up to the innos if the infected reveal, it up to the infected player. Unless he is trying to signal to infected players that if they reveal they get lynched instead of disinfected.

I mean the only info that DG could get is if there is a healer and I think that would be more advantageous to killers.

Eloth, on Jun 24 2009, 10:48 AM, said:

For the record I still think the whole infected revealing thing could hurt team inno since it will give the DG lots of information, but since I doubt any of the infected will come forward it's a moot point.

TBH I could actually go for Mockra or Rashan, since Mockra's reaction was pretty telling, but Rashan is one of those players that we will have to lynch at some point, else they will become a sticking-point in the game. Anyway, I'm going out for some drinks, see you guys later.

His posts seem to suggest that he is barely going to go on one lynch or the other, but he talks enough about the mechanics with the right amount of random not to flag, he seems to talk about more of the mechanics.

Also he did say in his opinion that the other scum were just as important, fair enough, it would do well for us to remember the killers, but he does downplay DG a bit, maybe it as he says it cause he doesn't rank them as high as a threat. Or it could be he wants us spending more time hunting killers and so forth instead of DG.

[Karatallid]

I think we'll struggle to win this. It's the idea of compulsion that's the problem.

Say we push to lynch a scum. Obviously, lynching a scum is never easy, and their teammates/symp will make sure there's a competing lynch. And obviously, they will try to paint the people voting for their teammate as infected. Now, a very easy way to prove this not true is to remove vote, and a player wanting to prove themself not under compulsion will do this. Like Silanah just did. Which releases the pressure. Anyone who refuses to remove vote paints themselves as infected in everyone's eyes.

The scum have such an easy way out. And the DG/infected can play at this, too, although with less effect (lack of communication).

The only solution I can think of is to not talk about compulsion unless you actually have some evidence that it's happening. And no, people voting for someone you don't think is guilty is not evidence. Most people think that compulsion today is unlikely, so why is it being suggested so much? People can disagree without being under compulsion.

[Liosan]

I would also like Eloth to explain why he thinks an infected reveal "will give the DG lots of information."

[Galayn Lord]

Liosan, on Jun 24 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

I would also like Eloth to explain why he thinks an infected reveal "will give the DG lots of information."

As has been commented on numerous times in the thread, many of us are assuming an infected reveal would cause the DG to try to kill that infected, and since healing comes before the infected kill, people would find out if there is a healer willing to heal people who claim infected to get them clean.

As for other information it would give... I have no idea.

[Hood's Path]

Karatallid, on Jun 24 2009, 12:04 PM, said:

I think we'll struggle to win this. It's the idea of compulsion that's the problem.

Say we push to lynch a scum. Obviously, lynching a scum is never easy, and their teammates/symp will make sure there's a competing lynch. And obviously, they will try to paint the people voting for their teammate as infected. Now, a very easy way to prove this not true is to remove vote, and a player wanting to prove themself not under compulsion will do this. Like Silanah just did. Which releases the pressure. Anyone who refuses to remove vote paints themselves as infected in everyone's eyes.

The scum have such an easy way out. And the DG/infected can play at this, too, although with less effect (lack of communication).

The only solution I can think of is to not talk about compulsion unless you actually have some evidence that it's happening. And no, people voting for someone you don't think is guilty is not evidence. Most people think that compulsion today is unlikely, so why is it being suggested so much? People can disagree without being under compulsion.

Which is counterintuitive when pushing for a lynch on someone you think is scum.

The reason why I think it got discussed so much was the speed of Rashan being voted for. But apart from that I don't why we became so obsessed with it.

[Liosan]

Karatallid, on Jun 24 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

I think we'll struggle to win this. It's the idea of compulsion that's the problem.

Say we push to lynch a scum. Obviously, lynching a scum is never easy, and their teammates/symp will make sure there's a competing lynch. And obviously, they will try to paint the people voting for their teammate as infected. Now, a very easy way to prove this not true is to remove vote, and a player wanting to prove themself not under compulsion will do this. Like Silanah just did. Which releases the pressure. Anyone who refuses to remove vote paints themselves as infected in everyone's eyes.

The scum have such an easy way out. And the DG/infected can play at this, too, although with less effect (lack of communication).

The only solution I can think of is to not talk about compulsion unless you actually have some evidence that it's happening. And no, people voting for someone you don't think is guilty is not evidence. Most people think that compulsion today is unlikely, so why is it being suggested so much? People can disagree without being under compulsion.

I also fully agree with this. Remove votes at the end of the day if it's not on the lynch, but don't try and get someone to remove their vote in the middle of the day by accusing them of being infected.

I'd say if Mockra turns up scum, Galain is most likely his symp.

[Liosan]

Galayn Lord, on Jun 24 2009, 04:11 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 24 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

I would also like Eloth to explain why he thinks an infected reveal "will give the DG lots of information."

As has been commented on numerous times in the thread, many of us are assuming an infected reveal would cause the DG to try to kill that infected, and since healing comes before the infected kill, people would find out if there is a healer willing to heal people who claim infected to get them clean.

As for other information it would give... I have no idea.

Yes, but I don't see how knowing whether an infected can reveal and get away with it is more useful for the DG than it is for the town.

[Galayn Lord]

Liosan, on Jun 24 2009, 03:33 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jun 24 2009, 04:11 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 24 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

I would also like Eloth to explain why he thinks an infected reveal "will give the DG lots of information."

As has been commented on numerous times in the thread, many of us are assuming an infected reveal would cause the DG to try to kill that infected, and since healing comes before the infected kill, people would find out if there is a healer willing to heal people who claim infected to get them clean.

As for other information it would give... I have no idea.

Yes, but I don't see how knowing whether an infected can reveal and get away with it is more useful for the DG than it is for the town.

I'm not sure I want the info if there is a healer in play or not out there, but I would think all 3(4) factions would have a use for that information.

[Path-Shaper]

your friendly mod morgoth is off to bed. I fear you might be mod free for a while.

And Vengyboy says the truth. I would've been harsher.

[Hood's Path]

How many hours left?

[Galayn Lord]

3.5 hours ago they said this:

Quote

14 hours and 33 minutes remaining

So, My guess is that there are about 11 hours left. Unless my math is wrong, which happens all the time.

[Karatallid]

About 10.5 hours, I believe.

I'm leaving, i'll be back just before the deadline.

[Hood's Path]

I think it more like 11.5 hours, so we have time!

Ok Eloth, downplaying DG cause they are the DG or trying to point out that he isn't the only threat to town?

Edit: changed question mark to exclaimation mark.

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 24 June 2009 - 09:06 PM

[Omtose]

OMG, nightmare day. I haven't been able to get near the internet until now...sorry. I will now go and read what I have missed!

[Hood's Path]

That quite a bit of reading that Omtose has.

Kara, GL do either of you have an opinion on eloth?

[Galayn Lord]

Yes, and I posted it previously.

I am leaving for a couple hours, will be back in 2-3 and then will have an hour or so before I leave till after day times out, will vote then.

Edit: Will vote then for Mockra, unless something changes between then and now.

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 24 June 2009 - 09:33 PM

[Galain]

I'm here again for a little while.

[Hood's Path]

Ok Galain any thoughts?