[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 24 hours and 12 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Silanah, Thyrllan

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

6 votes for Rashan: ( Galain, Kaschan, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Omtose, Barghast )
1 vote for Korlat: (Ampelas)
1 vote for Karatallid (Emurlahn)

Players not voted: D'riss, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Rashan, Silanah, Thyrllan

[Emurlahn]

Silanah, on Jun 24 2009, 08:27 AM, said:

Sorry for my absence.

I see we have had a pile on of votes on Rash as well as very self-pitying defence by Rash and that never goes down well around here, on the other hand I don't see him as a threat, only a nuisance. So if it comes down to needing a lynch, I would vote there, even though it makes it feel like we are going to then end up with a 2nd day 1

As for the theory it might be infected piling up, I would like to point out that atm we have only 2 infected and the DG WCS and that the compulsion only says they have to be voting that person at the end of the day. Its a bit early in the day to jump there, unless as Galain has said, people are playing with their noob caps on.

@Rashan, voting night on day 1, is a waste of time literally, because it makes the scum's lives easier.

true.

i would also like to point out to any speed lynchers that it might not be in our best interest to try and purposefully catch the infected out. The chances that the DG hit a killer with infection are just as low as the chances that we lynch one so do not be so quick to hope we end day without them voting as we would be greatly benefitting the killers by shrinking the player pool. Also the infected will return to normal if we can get dg and dg2 so if we can discover who they are we can either heal them or keep them in check.

It would be very funny if a symp where to become infected I wonder how long morgy's game mechanics would stand up to that scenario.

[Emurlahn]

Barghast, on Jun 24 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

I can't speak for the other people voting for Rashan, they may be scum or lazy. But it should be clear I don't view him as a leftover.

I didnt attack your post count, I was attacking the fact it didn't seem like you'd said much. You don't have to talk about norwegian dragon sex to not say much. You're remedying this now, which is a good reason to push someone in the first place. You're giving an opinion! Info! Fancy that!

You're pretty quick to dismiss Rashan though. What has you so convinced he is at worst an infected?

I have seen a lot of vote for nights on day 1, and rarely have they been scum. Its the biggest no-no in the book and with good reason. Coupled with the bizarre idea he had that it would actually trap the infected, i think he is just being a bit silly and type faster than he is thinking. I am not discounting him as a threat, i just don't think there is such a strong case that he should be speed lynched before everyone has a chance to come on.

[Emurlahn]

Barghast, on Jun 24 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

You don't have to talk about norwegian dragon sex to not say much. You're remedying this now, which is a good reason to push someone in the first place. You're giving an opinion! Info! Fancy that!

lick my balls you dick bag

[Silanah]

Emurlahn, on Jun 24 2009, 09:38 AM, said:

Silanah, on Jun 24 2009, 08:27 AM, said:

Sorry for my absence.

I see we have had a pile on of votes on Rash as well as very self-pitying defence by Rash and that never goes down well around here, on the other hand I don't see him as a threat, only a nuisance. So if it comes down to needing a lynch, I would vote there, even though it makes it feel like we are going to then end up with a 2nd day 1

As for the theory it might be infected piling up, I would like to point out that atm we have only 2 infected and the DG WCS and that the compulsion only says they have to be voting that person at the end of the day. Its a bit early in the day to jump there, unless as Galain has said, people are playing with their noob caps on.

@Rashan, voting night on day 1, is a waste of time literally, because it makes the scum's lives easier.

true.

i would also like to point out to any speed lynchers that it might not be in our best interest to try and purposefully catch the infected out. The chances that the DG hit a killer with infection are just as low as the chances that we lynch one so do not be so quick to hope we end day without them voting as we would be greatly benefitting the killers by shrinking the player pool. Also the infected will return to normal if we can get dg and dg2 so if we can discover who they are we can either heal them or keep them in check.

It would be very funny if a symp where to become infected I wonder how long morgy's game mechanics would stand up to that scenario.

Or what happens if one of the killers gets infected and then by chance the killers hit duncan?

[Gamelon]

Rashan, on Jun 23 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Okay jackass. Nobody lectured me as to why my voting to night is a bad idea. Everyone just told me that it was a bad idea. No reasons no explainations. Just that I was an idiot and/or that I looked suspicious for voting night. You mentioned in this post that going to night that scum gets to kill someone and the DG gets to recruit someone. Well guess what!!! They get to do that anyway whether we lynch someone or not. Actually I feel a bit justified in not wanting to vote someone off the first night as the results of that action is one less townie and guess what!!! It's night now and the killer will get to off someone now and the DG gets to infect someone as well. We've already discussed strategies on how to neutralize the DG it's just now up to the infected person to follow through with it. I'm just disgusted that we helped the scum do their job for them.

[Emurlahn]

Gamelon, on Jun 24 2009, 08:46 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 23 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Okay jackass. Nobody lectured me as to why my voting to night is a bad idea. Everyone just told me that it was a bad idea. No reasons no explainations. Just that I was an idiot and/or that I looked suspicious for voting night. You mentioned in this post that going to night that scum gets to kill someone and the DG gets to recruit someone. Well guess what!!! They get to do that anyway whether we lynch someone or not. Actually I feel a bit justified in not wanting to vote someone off the first night as the results of that action is one less townie and guess what!!! It's night now and the killer will get to off someone now and the DG gets to infect someone as well. We've already discussed strategies on how to neutralize the DG it's just now up to the infected person to follow through with it. I'm just disgusted that we helped the scum do their job for them.

You know if you had never played before he makes sense But after even one game you realise that this view just doesnt work out as helpful to us.

@rashan - without a lynch we have zero chance of hitting dg or scums. thats as much justification for a lynch as you should need.

[Emurlahn]

righ things are starting to fall to pieces in work so if anyone has anything to ask me, do so and i will respond later with @yourname

@bargie

[Silanah]

Mockra, on Jun 24 2009, 04:30 AM, said:

Wow 5 votes on Rashan already... Im all for the Rashan lynch but im not placing a vote right now as it would be at l-4 in just a few hours...
@Kaschan, Yeah Korlat hasn't said much but you should always give the benefit of the doubt on the first day..

So in other words a cop out, you want to go for the easiest target?
And tbh I have looked over your posts and besides misunderstanding the mechanics, you have agreed with someone else's case and you have given no reasons why you would vote for Rashan.

:avote: Mockra

[Silanah]

Emurlahn, on Jun 24 2009, 10:03 AM, said:

righ things are starting to fall to pieces in work so if anyone has anything to ask me, do so and i will respond later with @yourname

@bargie

[Gamelon]

I think hte DG would NOT bother putting in a compulsion today. There is too much risk of exposing his recruits.
But if he DID it would probably have been on rashan as he would have been the obvious lynch for today.

So if we do not lynch rashan...i suggest EVERYONE removes there vote form him.

In fact i have a better idea.
If someone is about to get lynched everyone has to remove there votes from all other players before the hammer gets dropped.
This might stop the DG from using his compulsion as his recruits cant then remove votes or they will die.


edit - added "NOT"

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 24 June 2009 - 08:16 AM

[Silanah]

Gamelon, on Jun 24 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

I think hte DG would NOT bother putting in a compulsion today. There is too much risk of exposing his recruits.
But if he DID it would probably have been on rashan as he would have been the obvious lynch for today.

So if we do not lynch rashan...i suggest EVERYONE removes there vote form him.

In fact i have a better idea.
If someone is about to get lynched everyone has to remove there votes from all other players before the hammer gets dropped.
This might stop the DG from using his compulsion as his recruits cant then remove votes or they will die.


edit - added "NOT"

You are of course assuming that we will all have to be on at the exact time, just before the hammer is dropped. You are aware of this right?

Edit: Being nice: Other than that one tiny flaw, your idea is a good one.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 24 June 2009 - 08:19 AM

[Gamelon]

Silanah, on Jun 24 2009, 04:18 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 24 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

I think hte DG would NOT bother putting in a compulsion today. There is too much risk of exposing his recruits.
But if he DID it would probably have been on rashan as he would have been the obvious lynch for today.

So if we do not lynch rashan...i suggest EVERYONE removes there vote form him.

In fact i have a better idea.
If someone is about to get lynched everyone has to remove there votes from all other players before the hammer gets dropped.
This might stop the DG from using his compulsion as his recruits cant then remove votes or they will die.


edit - added "NOT"

You are of course assuming that we will all have to be on at the exact time, just before the hammer is dropped. You are aware of this right?

Edit: Being nice: Other than that one tiny flaw, your idea is a good one.

fuck that...make time.

we can usually see who are the main lynch candidates by halfway through the day.
So the guys who leave votes on random players that more than likely wont get voted off should just remove there votes when they are on.
If you know you are not going to be around at deadline then you make sure you leave your vote on the right place or dont vote at all.
Goddammit MAKE IT WORK

[Karatallid]

Emurlahn, on Jun 24 2009, 08:14 AM, said:

BooHoo guys, if you think he is infected he isnt the dg. Are you thinking he is the dg? Or is he a killer? No one actually says, they just say he isnt working for the town which is to be fair a ridiculous accusation with only slight evidence.

We know he's acting scummy. Is that not enough?

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Also citing the vote for night is the weakest form of case and used on day 1 with nothing better i would vote then, but its day two now and we actually had quite a content filled first day.

The vote for night is still not the primary reason i'm voting for Rashan. It's the vote for Galain I have more of a problem with.

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vote karatallid

Of the three your the least active, and your "i hate that defence" isnt a case its a statement about you.

But I did attack Rashan yesterday. The things I said about Rashan yesterday still hold today. I thought that was obvious.

You think the DG is likely to have forced his infected to vote for Rashan, because Rashan is an obvious lynch choice. But why would the DG do this? If Rashan is such an obvious choice then the DG doesn't need to force anyone into it.

If the DG is smart I doubt we'll see any compulsion for a few days, unless the DG gets into trouble. It'd give us a chance to spot the compulsed, and not gain much for the DG.

[Gamelon]

Karatallid, on Jun 24 2009, 05:08 AM, said:

If the DG is smart I doubt we'll see any compulsion for a few days, unless the DG gets into trouble. It'd give us a chance to spot the compulsed, and not gain much for the DG.

Thats what i said....i dont think he would use it yet.

But we should at least make the people that are online at the time of the lynch that are not voting for the obvious lynch target to remove there votes if nothing else.

It will make DG have to be very desperate before he tried to use it.

[Karatallid]

Gamelon, on Jun 24 2009, 09:27 AM, said:

Silanah, on Jun 24 2009, 04:18 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 24 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

I think hte DG would NOT bother putting in a compulsion today. There is too much risk of exposing his recruits.
But if he DID it would probably have been on rashan as he would have been the obvious lynch for today.

So if we do not lynch rashan...i suggest EVERYONE removes there vote form him.

In fact i have a better idea.
If someone is about to get lynched everyone has to remove there votes from all other players before the hammer gets dropped.
This might stop the DG from using his compulsion as his recruits cant then remove votes or they will die.


edit - added "NOT"

You are of course assuming that we will all have to be on at the exact time, just before the hammer is dropped. You are aware of this right?

Edit: Being nice: Other than that one tiny flaw, your idea is a good one.

fuck that...make time.

we can usually see who are the main lynch candidates by halfway through the day.
So the guys who leave votes on random players that more than likely wont get voted off should just remove there votes when they are on.
If you know you are not going to be around at deadline then you make sure you leave your vote on the right place or dont vote at all.
Goddammit MAKE IT WORK

It's a nice idea. The main problem I have with it is that it seriously limits our search for the killers, in forcing everyone to be on the main lynch train. If people are going to be on the main lynch train, we should force them to justify it themselves, rather than give them the excuse that they're trying to find compulsed infected.

The killers are still a threat to us, we can't afford to focus entirely on the DG, unfortunately.

[Karatallid]

Gamelon, on Jun 24 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

Karatallid, on Jun 24 2009, 05:08 AM, said:

If the DG is smart I doubt we'll see any compulsion for a few days, unless the DG gets into trouble. It'd give us a chance to spot the compulsed, and not gain much for the DG.

Thats what i said....i dont think he would use it yet.

But we should at least make the people that are online at the time of the lynch that are not voting for the obvious lynch target to remove there votes if nothing else.

It will make DG have to be very desperate before he tried to use it.

Sounds better, when you put it like that. Worth trying, at least, even if it might not work. We don't lose much as long as people only switch right before the lynch.

But yes, it relies on people being around at that time to switch.

[Emurlahn]

@gamelon - good plan in theory but what if the dg doesnt use compulsion, or the players just aren't on to remove? I suppose we could use it as an indicator but it may be misleading and as its far from concrete, harmful as a result.

@kara - then why not say that? Seriously is it so hard to outline your reasoning when you place a vote, i don't keep a written record of every comment people make and if you just vote without a reference to a case i will just assume you don't have one. Also saying someone is acting scummy without actually quoting and making a case is just words, it isnt evidence and it isnt compelling.

if i was going to vote for rashan it would be due to his comment regarding tellan. The whole we will avenge you line was the scummiest thing he said as he not only hammered tellan, but could only have known he was inno if he was scum.

remove vote

I will take your word for it that you had interactions yesterday and a case, but in future if people would actually highlight the case they are making when they vote rather than just assume we know their every move, it would make our job a lot easier.