[Rashan]

Barghast, on Jun 24 2009, 12:25 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 24 2009, 05:00 PM, said:

Galain, on Jun 23 2009, 05:16 PM, said:

Rashan said:

My strategey is to have no strategy at all. At this point I'm just have a bit of fun at you'lls expense.

Morgy promised the most complex role related details would be in the set-up and there is nothing there about a jester so I'm going to say this quoted snippet is more than enough proof that you are not with the town.

Look I know that I've been a distraction. Initially it was because I have no clue to the mechanics or stragety of the game. Frankly I still don't have a clue so sorry. After that when I was getting all that heat for being a complete idiot I figured "hell I'm toast might as well have some fun while I can. I can't guaranty that I won't do something completely random or suspious out of pure ignorance again so if you feel that I need to be removed from the game so you can better focus on finding the scum I will understand."Though I'm a bit surprised that I haven't gotten more than the one vote against me on day two (galain big surprise)

If I've hindered my fellow townies progress in trying to find the true threat then I apologize. I will do my best to try and help figure out who the actual scum are while I am still here.

I wonder what Galain will have issues with in this post.

edit: looks like I was wrong about the vote count. They are adding up quick

This post only makes sense if you're a complete noob. I just went and called up the sign-up thread, and I don't see anyone there without enough mafia experience to say what you just did.

I'm an alternate

[Galain]

Rashan, on Jun 23 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 12:16 AM, said:

Oh look, I got here just in time to see Rashan post again.

I dunno why you are all offended that I'm going after you. You voted night on Day 1 and you have never come out with a good explanation of it. I said you sound like you're scrambling to cover a silly mistake. It's not personal and it's not intended to be mean and if you come up scum or infected, I'm going to seriously pat myself on the back for seeing it before.

Also, I'm here back and forth for a little while if anyone wants to discuss things.

I'm not offended as much as I'm confused by the missteps that everyone keeps telling I did for voting night the first day. Yes I know that the innocents can't win if they don't lynch but how much does one day delay in lynching really hurt the innocents chances of winning? Has anyone done any statistics on that? Probably not if there is always a lynch on day one. There would be no data to back up or disprove the case for voting for night the first day either way. Maybe voting night is as stupid as you all say it is, but maybe it's not.

I see it this way. You will most likely have one more player on your team alive one more day to help figure out who is scum that you wouldn't have otherwise had because they were lynched. How much more information can you get from lynching an innocent verses waiting one more day. You will still see a players status that were killed from a NA so you will still have that information to go on.

I just don't see why voting night is a fast track way of getting yourself lynched.

Because innos get info from two things. CFs and Votes (okay, 3 if you count night actions but scum gets better results from night actions so I ignore it). CFs come naturally. Votes come in the day. If we don't see who voted for whom, who defended or made arguments and who coasted, we can't try to figure out where the scum might be hiding. By voting night, all we do is give scum another day to do their business and we get zero vote-related information about how to proceed the next day.

[Ampelas]

Back and caught up.

Rashan, just clarify: are you infected, or were you joke-hinting at it before? I annoys me when anyone has a useless breakdown and gets lynched. If you had one as an infected, then you made a mistake. Infected doesn't mean you have nothing to lose anymore, on the contrary you have EVERYTHING to lose if you breakdown.

And if you're just inno, then it's just lame because there could have been discussions today and you made them harder.

If you're scum, then, what was that, a gambit? A dare? They don't work well in these parts.

[Ampelas]

Kaschan, on Jun 24 2009, 04:27 AM, said:

Okay, Korlat's 3, I guess his tz means he won't be on til tonight. However, makes a point of being too lazy to catch up. Oh well. Hope for some stuff tonight. Interesting that he still hops on Tellan, regardless of having no time to really comment.

Korlat, on Jun 23 2009, 12:31 AM, said:

Finally here, stupid time-zone differences and shit.

Anything crucial that I need to catch up on over the last 9 pages/330 posts? Or is this still day one and I can just walk in and start playing?

Korlat, on Jun 23 2009, 12:59 AM, said:

Ah, well, then I'll have to force myself to wade through it, I suppose.



Thanks, Barghast - just didn't want to waste my time. *sigh*

Korlat, on Jun 23 2009, 06:25 AM, said:

Apologies all. I got started reading up, but RL intruded.

Will have slightly more time tomorrow..I hope.

I note it is even on Tellan and Rashan. Interesting scatter of other votes. Only 6 hours to deadline, and I won't be back for that, so I'll throw out a vote -

Vote Tellan

At this point, for no reason other than random chance, I'd vote for either...day one, as well, so our hopes of success are based purely on guesswork, in any case.

Night all...promise to be on more tomorrow.

I agree that Korlat's actions are lame, and suspicious. The thread is far from massive, and the situation far from complex.

I myself have little time to play, but it never took that much time to catch up, think a bit, and post what I think. I could manage despite limited internet.

Voting for Tellan and just saying it's guesswork anyways sounds like he voted for Tellan with a good idea what his CF would be.

vote Korlat

To get him in the game. He doesn't care about day 1 even when they're relatively spam-less, let's see if he cares about that.

[Ampelas]

Hmm, I'm not there for long, but I always see 4-5 anonymous readers when I'm doing my triple-posts, but no-one says anything.

Anyways, I would go for Rashan too. I hate the "laughing at your expense" bit. What does that mean? I joined your game to just fail on purpose, ha, ha, ha?

Then he says he's infected, and then he says he's a first-timer alternate who doesn't appear on the sign-up thread, which I find very bizarre. If someone had to drop out last minute Morgoth would have just removed the alt. He planned the game for 20 anyways. Then Rashan started to play from the beginning of the game, so it's not like someone mysteriously never showed up after the game started.

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 24 June 2009 - 05:28 AM

[Galain]

I'm here Ampelas. I was reading over Bargh's posts and mostly wondering to myself at the number of people playing overly noob this game.

[Ampelas]

Yay, company!

One more thought before I go-go:

If I was the DG and felt like making a "vote imperative" to my bitches, I would chose a probable target so that they don't stand out too much and get spotted/de-infected.

Last night, that would be Rashan, and I do believe that despite the fact that there is some deserved there, the votes piled up a bit too fast on him considering the time we have in the day.

[Galain]

Yep same thought occurred to me.

[Galain]

That's all for me tonight.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 25 hours and 20 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Silanah, Thyrllan

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

6 votes for Rashan: ( Galain, Kaschan, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Omtose, Barghast )
1 vote for Korlat: (Ampelas)

Players not voted: D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Rashan, Silanah, Thyrllan


meta discussions are not allowed

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 24 June 2009 - 06:28 AM

[Emurlahn]

Barghast, on Jun 24 2009, 05:21 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jun 23 2009, 08:34 PM, said:

morning, gents and ladies.

Why what a talkative bunch we have and most of it heated discussion.

@tellan - it was i who put forward the suggestion to reveal if infected as when the game began morgoth had not updated the opening post witht he order of night actions and so it was valid to assume the order may have been favourable. Someone claimed this was not the case but i have a pm stating the order and that it had been amended sent to me after i posted the strategy in thread by a smirking norwegian too impressed with himself.

@eloth - admirable, but perhaps slightly misguided. Despite some restrictions on the cult the fact remains that only one player is immune from the cult in this game whereas in most cult games the scum and select town players are exempt and the cult has to work hard to recruit players, basing it on luck. In this game with only one player immune it is highly likely that the cult will infect every single night.

@rashan - voting for night even as a joke is all fair and well, but you prefaced it with a strategy to supposedly catch the cult when it had absolutley no chance of success. The fact that it would never have garnered the required votes to take effect is irrelevant.

@mockra - Early game you made comments ont he rules and how the setup was pictured in your mind but you consistently make errors about how the game is being run. I am confused as to why someone with so many mechanics opinions has failed to even pick up the most clearly stated points of how this game is working.

Mich as i dislike voting for night and i am suspicious of anyone doing it, four votes at this stage with so much discussion going on seems slightly suspicious.

4 votes for Rashan: ( Tellan, Galain, Omtose, Thyrllan )
3 votes for Thyrllan: ( Karatallid, Hood's Path, ampelas )

of those four i agree with ampelas' take (HERE) on tellan to a greater degree than i do the case (or should it be called reaction) to rashan.

vote tellan

edit - removed letters from below body of main text.

This is a post that tickled me in the wrong way. Emur has two posts of substance, this one and another one about infected mechanics that became moot after Morgy pointed out the order of night actions. This post, like I just pointed out about Kaschan, is a single post which is a bit of summary, a bit of gentle chiding and in the end, not much new or of interest. The 'conversational' tone he creates by appearing to answer "@" each person is a bit strange, especially since Emur wasnt' really in conversation with these people about these points prior.

With that all finished, he agrees with Amp and hops on the vote. I don't really believe the "4th vote" theory, but I'll admit I was already viewing this post with some suspicion and being the 4th vote was something I couldn't help noticing.

Actually when i started writing that you hadnt posted so to me it was the third vote. Also i dont have much time so the @ thing you are complaining about is because the time between my posts is wast and i wanted to ensure people knew which point related to which people. I would also disagree with your gentle chiding comment as the first person i have a problem wiith is the person i voted for and the person who got lynched.

Commenting on so called summary posts and complaining is the same thing as what the player doing the summary is doing in your mindset really, you arent making a case, and you arent voting, instead you are just appearing like you are trying to do something for other peoples benefit.

Barghast, on Jun 24 2009, 05:59 AM, said:

Hmm, thinking about it, I wonder if I should edit my post since I think it could fall under the "meta reasoning" rule. Rashan's quoted it now though.

Suffice to say, I don't believe you. I was going to hold off voting, but I don't see myself changing my mind now.

Vote Rashan

And another vote on rashan, what is that l-4 now. I cant help but think there is some form of compulsion here or that the killers are looking for an easy train. I wouldnt be surprised if the entire scum team was on yesterdays train and jumps on this one two the way both seem to be growing so much, and barghast is a good bet in my eyes for one after this. You are leaving no room for discussion by putting so many votes on rashan this early and we are quickly reaching a point where no one else is a suitable lynch.

Ampelas, on Jun 24 2009, 06:33 AM, said:

Yay, company!

One more thought before I go-go:

If I was the DG and felt like making a "vote imperative" to my bitches, I would chose a probable target so that they don't stand out too much and get spotted/de-infected.

Last night, that would be Rashan, and I do believe that despite the fact that there is some deserved there, the votes piled up a bit too fast on him considering the time we have in the day.

I was thinking the same thing, and personally i would look elsewhere today than rashan as we may remove two infected from the mix if they are being forced to vote rashan. I am going to look closely at all those that have voted rashan this morning and see which one is the weakest vote.

[Emurlahn]

Hood's Path, on Jun 23 2009, 10:44 PM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 23 2009, 01:14 PM, said:

You are right. I did say that I would come out and say that I was infected if I became infected. Have I done that... ? If I was speaking literally (which I was), then no. My strategey is to have no strategy at all. At this point I'm just have a bit of fun at you'lls expense.

Ok just catching sight of that, that he doesn't give a shit about inno side, has elevated him from idiot (who I believe has had quite a few lynches on him first day pushed heavily by me) to a potential threat no matter what he is.

Vote Rashan

Karatallid, on Jun 23 2009, 10:45 PM, said:

All Rashan has going for him is the "too obvious" defence. And i've always hated that defence, it sucks.

Vote Rashan.

Omtose, on Jun 23 2009, 11:02 PM, said:

Well I voted for him yesterday, and nothing he has done today has given me cause to change my mind...quite the opposite, he clearly isn't working for the town

vote Rashan

Ok of all the votes these three are the most suspect for me as they just run into one another with no discussion or hesitation. The time stamps also show this isnt cross postage, it is just three very fast votes without much reasoning, other than its obvious that rashan is infected.

BooHoo guys, if you think he is infected he isnt the dg. Are you thinking he is the dg? Or is he a killer? No one actually says, they just say he isnt working for the town which is to be fair a ridiculous accusation with only slight evidence. Also citing the vote for night is the weakest form of case and used on day 1 with nothing better i would vote then, but its day two now and we actually had quite a content filled first day.

vote karatallid

Of the three your the least active, and your "i hate that defence" isnt a case its a statement about you.

[Emurlahn]

Barghast, on Jun 24 2009, 08:11 AM, said:

Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 05:30 PM, said:

I'm here Ampelas. I was reading over Bargh's posts and mostly wondering to myself at the number of people playing overly noob this game.

You calling me a noob?

You mean your not? And there i was getting ready to hold your hand and whisper sweet nothings in your ear while giving you directions to the bathroom and the fridge by two pieces of string... wait a minute, thats minority report...

late night movies and work do not mix.

[Emurlahn]

Barghast, on Jun 24 2009, 08:15 AM, said:

That sounds like an omgus case.

What's the difference between making a case and saying something sounds scummy? Scum summarize, not push people, and you seem to be adverse to being pushed. Sure, I didn't vote for you, because it's just a preliminary look (which, given your number of posts is all I can do really).

As for my vote on Rashan, long-story-short I don't believe him. That's not likely to change through more discussion over the next several hours, because Rashan has yet to present anything believable despite several tries.

Sounds like or is? and you just complained about being called a noob? its not that i dont enjoy being pushed, its that i enjoy pushing back. Whats wrong with my post count? I havent been writing lots of nonesense about dragon sex or fucking porno disney so i am not saying enough?

Your vote on rashan stinks as the day has just begun and you are putting him in a position where he is the only viable lynch. We are ina game where someone can make the infected vote a specific way or risk losing them and your immeadiate course of actuion is to choose yesterdays left overs? Not only is it the easy lynch its the lazy one and if we are looking to catch out the infected or the dg by a lynch this is our best shot.

[Emurlahn]

Barghast, on Jun 24 2009, 08:17 AM, said:

It looks like its just you and me online Emur, if you're up for a little back and forth speculation.

of course, i came into work early so i could actually participate, so i have another half an hour an hour before this place goes tits up again.

[Silanah]

Sorry for my absence.

I see we have had a pile on of votes on Rash as well as very self-pitying defence by Rash and that never goes down well around here, on the other hand I don't see him as a threat, only a nuisance. So if it comes down to needing a lynch, I would vote there, even though it makes it feel like we are going to then end up with a 2nd day 1

As for the theory it might be infected piling up, I would like to point out that atm we have only 2 infected and the DG WCS and that the compulsion only says they have to be voting that person at the end of the day. Its a bit early in the day to jump there, unless as Galain has said, people are playing with their noob caps on.

@Rashan, voting night on day 1, is a waste of time literally, because it makes the scum's lives easier.