[Omtose]

Oh, well, have to go for a while. See you later.

[Gamelon]

Galain, on Jun 25 2009, 03:25 AM, said:

And he wanted to play in this game so badly, too.

He did get a good dose of cold hard unforgiving malazan mafia

[Korlat]

True.

Shame about the CF, too, but it has to be done sometimes, doesn't it?

And now we wait for night to end...

[Eloth]

Liosan, on Jun 25 2009, 01:17 AM, said:

Eloth, on Jun 24 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

Eloth, on Jun 24 2009, 11:48 AM, said:

For the record I still think the whole infected revealing thing could hurt team inno since it will give the DG lots of information, but since I doubt any of the infected will come forward it's a moot point.

TBH I could actually go for Mockra or Rashan, since Mockra's reaction was pretty telling, but Rashan is one of those players that we will have to lynch at some point, else they will become a sticking-point in the game. Anyway, I'm going out for some drinks, see you guys later.

What information will it give the DG? It may give the scum information about the existence of a healer, which is one valid reason to not reveal, but it will not give any information to the DG. On Day 1 he knows 19 other people can be infected and a healer isn't going to stop that.

It let's the DG (and the scum) know whether or not they have to worry about the healer. It also gives the DG a better idea of what his pool of infected look like. If duncan dies it could people under the impression that infected are being uninfected when they aren't (although the first unknown infected would WCS be regarded as duncan rather than the DG). I made a much more thought out argument on day one - when I made that message I was in a bit of a rush and 'giving the DG information' was the best summary of my previous points.

Galayn Lord, on Jun 24 2009, 09:32 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 24 2009, 02:19 PM, said:

Eloth from the general pattern of his posts, seem to be is that he comes in the middle of the conversation, agrees with one side, and makes some casual remarks about players like how they seem odd or so forth. I'll give it a much thorough check to be sure I'm right in my assessment of him.

Isn't Eloth the one who keeps waving an obi-wan-ish hand in front of our face and says 'ignore the cult, find the killers'?

I've never said ignore the cult. Half of my posts concern the cult and how to deal with it. I've just been doing my doing my best to remind everyone that the killers are still around and we should also be paying them a fair amount of attention.

Liosan, on Jun 24 2009, 10:05 PM, said:

I would also like Eloth to explain why he thinks an infected reveal "will give the DG lots of information."

Same as above. If you lot really want, I will try find the various posts on day one that give my thoughts on the situation.

I feel like a lot of what I have said has been taken out of context or mis-interpreted, reread what I originally said.

Please do, as I just read through your posts and couldn't find anything where you specifically talk about information provided to the DG.

The idea of it giving info about the healer to the DG (the only real argument I could make out in the above post) is pretty lame. If the reveal works and the infected is saved, the DG is pretty hosed either way. If not, then no one else is going to reveal after that, anyway, so why would the DG care about the healer trying to save people? And it's not like the SO (the DG's only killing ability that even could possibly be stopped by the healer [assuming those who go against compulsion die instantly]) even costs the DG anything to use, i.e. if he wants one of his infected dead, he's going to use SO every night until it works, so the presense of a healer has no effect on whether the DG would use the ability.

Ok, I'm very hungover at the moment so you're gonna have to give me a while. Like I said, I came up with a couple of reasons why infected revealing could be a bad idea on day one. I was in a rush when I wrote the first post and didnt have time to go find them again. Maybe gives the DG and the scum info would have been a more concise thing to say.

Also, posting as I catch up.

[Gamelon]

well we cant cry about every inno we lynch, part of the game.
Galain was right in one thing....he was a huge distraction, sometimes its better to get the distraction out of the way in order to proceed

[Korlat]

Yeah, definitely agree there - first thing I said today, in fact.

And welcome back, Eloth.

Now, not the best time to discuss, but when are we going to look for scum? D:

[Eloth]

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 08:01 AM, said:

Korlat, on Jun 25 2009, 05:59 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 09:56 AM, said:

Korlat, on Jun 25 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

@Mockra - see my last post.

Admittedly, it assumes D'riss is infected as he claims, and that the infected have been compelled, which, as Rashan pointed out, is actually unlikely this early in the game.

I believe that being compelled to vote is very likely this early and not later as there could be a large number of people voting one way, the rest voting the other and it would be apparent who is infected

So...you're saying D'riss is lying about being infected?

Im saying its possible as scum could easily say that to be disinfected instead of an inno who needs it

Why the hell would scum do that? It would be helping the DG and wouldnt benefit them at all.

[Gamelon]

Korlat, on Jun 25 2009, 04:23 AM, said:

Yeah, definitely agree there - first thing I said today, in fact.

And welcome back, Eloth.

Now, not the best time to discuss, but when are we going to look for scum? D:

should have started day 1

i assume you mean the killer scum?

Yea we have been neglecting that side...i think we definitely need to look at a few guys with only that in our minds for a bit.
Seem to be giving them a free pass.

[Gamelon]

alone?......

[Eloth]

Ok, here's the two posts where I discussed infected revealing. My main point concerns the healer. As people pointed out this helps the scum more than the DG. At the end of the day it's still bad for town. The whole thing is a bit moot now since D'riss revealed, since whether or not he survives the night will probably decide how the infected play, rather than our views on the matter.

Eloth, on Jun 22 2009, 04:05 PM, said:

Woo, it seems I might be giving Ano a run for his money in the cool avatar category. Hah, take that you smug account tongue.gif

Healing the infected person before they are killed is a cool theory, but there are a couple of drawbacks to it. We dont know if we have a healer, it will be pretty obvious that the healer is dead when infected people start dying and it gives the killers free reign if they know who the healer is aiming for each night.

We really shouldnt get overly focused on the cult-like faction this game. With the mechanics laid out, a single transfer of recruiting power and the lack of a clear leader means they aren't the massive threat they usually are. I think hunting for killers and for the DG should both be equally important.

Eloth, on Jun 23 2009, 12:38 AM, said:

As interesting an idea as the infected constantly revealing is, there are several reasons they likely wont, which have been brought up before:

We dont know for a fact that we have a healer. The DG can kill whichever infected he feels isnt worth keeping around and a revealed infected would definitely classify in that category.
Even if we do have a healer, we are then forcing them to devote all their time to only ever healing infected, meaning the killers have almost nothing to fear.
If the healer dies it would become obvious that this is the case - information both scum teams are better off not having.
We wont know whether the DG or Shriek has been hit if some unrevealed comes up as infected.

There's just too many ways the plan could possibly fall to pieces. Maybe the first one or two infectees might be willing to chance it, but it's really there choice. I dont see any strategy that will immediately nullify the DG, Morgy wouldnt build a game so easily broken.

Having thought about it some more, there's also the fact that we cant be 100% certain that the person who revealed is back in their original team should they survive. The chances would be good that they are, but there is the slight possibility they could survive the night without being uninfected. I would also assume the DG v2 doesnt get told who the first DG infected. If all the infected reveal, then it makes it much easier for the DGv2 to try figure out who Duncan is. It also makes it easier for any infected with a kill to do the same and upgrade themselves to symp.

[Emurlahn]

wow, that was an eventful few hours, not sure who twelve is, i assume it was his first game then?

@mockra - are you trying to appear scummy? I mean that was just pages of constant waffle to drag attention onto yourself.

@driss - very ballsy, heres hoping it doesnt back fire on you.

And so i guess we wait. I aint in work today so wont be on that much during the day.

[Korlat]

Eh, I'm off until tomorrow (RL, not game-time).

Hopefully we can get some more detailed discussion tomorrow on something other than the nature of infected reveals.

[Gamelon]

which tosser never put in his prov's

[Path-Shaper]

It's night. flimmers of coloured light glitter through the fog. A weak drizzle makes the roads wet and sort of slimy. Rivers of purple, green and yellow wash into the sewers beneath your feet.

Eloth and Emurlahn stand weary and frightened within the spare glow of a street lamp burning gas. They're edgy and nervous, eyes flickering back and forth tracing invisible dangers in the dark.
"The popsickles!"
They jump as the scream echoes around them. Out of the grey wall stumbles a figure, eyes open and unseeing. It's D'riss.
"We must find the popsickles!"
He spins around in a pirouette, arms out wide, spittle flowing in all directions.
"I had a dog once. His name wasGURALGHHG!"
He runs headlong into a nearby wall, stumbles back and sprays bits of blood and brains all over the two spectators as his head explodes.

D'riss (Bent) is dead, he was infected.
.....

A bit further down the street, Liosan and Barghast are drinking large quantities of squid brandy and playing football on a string. It takes them some time to realise the ball is Karatallid's head. The string his severd spine.

Karatallid (Slick Mongoose) is dead, he was infected.
....

Alone in her room, Omtose shivers with fear. There's something in the house. She knows it, but she doesn't dare to look. She doesn't dare turn on the light even. Arms wrapped around her knees she hums a song her mum used to sing when she was a little girl. The sound of foot-steps grows louder and louder.

Omtose (bwgan) is dead, she was Saint Phillip the Philanderer of the People of Ambergris

It's day 3. 36 hours are left in the day

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 25 June 2009 - 12:04 PM

[Eloth]

Three dead. We can assume Driss was overloaded. Let's just hope to hell Karat wasnt Duncan, sice there's a 1/3 chance he was. Then again there's also 1/3 chance he was the DG. Still, we have to play WCS.

[Path-Shaper]

It's day 3. 35 hours and 20 min left of the day.

15 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Silanah, Thyrllan

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night


Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Silanah, Thyrllan

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 25 June 2009 - 11:23 AM

[Meanas]

Ugh, festivals, I hope there won't be clowns. I hate clowns.

[Emurlahn]

wow rashan's still alive in that scene mods

gotta go, just gotta say i pegged kara yesterday and voted so

[Path-Shaper]

that was supposed to be Emurlahn.. bah.. even I misswrite now and then