[Path-Shaper]

see, much better now

[Thyrllan]

afternoon everyone, im checking in and catching up

[Eloth]

Hmm, infect goes before kill so I got the numbers wrong, chances are 50% that Karat was an infected and 25% DG or Duncan.

Driss dying doesnt have anything to do what Karat might have been, it just shows there wasnt a healer.

[Thyrllan]

that was a bloody long catch-up, but eventful at least!

[Thyrllan]

Eloth, on Jun 25 2009, 03:15 PM, said:

Hmm, infect goes before kill so I got the numbers wrong, chances are 50% that Karat was an infected and 25% DG or Duncan.

Driss dying doesnt have anything to do what Karat might have been, it just shows there wasnt a healer.

or the helaer was guarded or the healer didnt heal the right person or the healer is scum, etc

edit for computer problems deleting mytext

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 25 June 2009 - 01:35 PM

[Thyrllan]

well i dont wanna pull much from the scenes but the driss and omtose bits do seem to match up well weith what we'd expect - driss head exploding is SO from the DG, omtose gets killed by scum killer. so that makes it interesting whats the deal with kara, severed head and spine doesnt really say much about the method of death, but regardless of the scene i suspect it wasnt a SO. could be another NK if there were two scum killers, but imo its a vig. course it could be a scum vig, a town vig or an town-turned-inf vig too

[Galayn Lord]

I am back, reading up. Hopefully of a lynch of infected/scum.

[Eloth]

Thyrllan, on Jun 25 2009, 03:39 PM, said:

well i dont wanna pull much from the scenes but the driss and omtose bits do seem to match up well weith what we'd expect - driss head exploding is SO from the DG, omtose gets killed by scum killer. so that makes it interesting whats the deal with kara, severed head and spine doesnt really say much about the method of death, but regardless of the scene i suspect it wasnt a SO. could be another NK if there were two scum killers, but imo its a vig. course it could be a scum vig, a town vig or an town-turned-inf vig too

I was looking at that too. We're not supposed to look for info in the scenes but it does seem that Karat wasnt an SO.

[Galayn Lord]

So D'riss died infected, Rashan was a nub townie, Kara was...something, and Omtose got hit by the killer(s).

Yes, The Mockra case is on tap for me, but lets see where you want to go Barghast...

Edit: Had a word that didn't make sense.

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 25 June 2009 - 02:31 PM

[Hood's Path]

I would say go for Mockra but I have a feeling it will be another Rashan, Eloth has put up good arguments about his comments and nothing really strikes out as scummy as hell, if he scum he the subtle kind that is so down the line he just reads as pure neutral with no tint of scum or inno, which I find a bit scary as hell. Maybe with more posts from him I could get a read that would help me decide what he is, but at the moment he is an unknown to me.

Galain has made good points, especially about if Rashan staying any longer he a distraction, he seems very pro town, which would be a good place for a killer.

[Silanah]

Right, Morgy promised blood and we got it.
As for thoughts, I am not surprised by Rashan's CF, disappointed yes, but not surprised, he played badly and got lynched for it. Sorry if you are still new, but there are some valuable lessons to be learned in what happened there.
As for Night, and while we all know we aren't supposed to take clues from the scenes, but I don't think any of us can help it. So D'riss is dead and I am sure we all agree is was Synapse Overload and not something else.
As for Omtose and Karatallid, well I doubt the killers get 2 kills so we are more than likely looking at a vig firing off his load for one of them. I am not sure about Omtose, I need to do a reread and see if there is anything there.
Karatallid on the other hand is interesting. He has been on a few people's radar for a while for one reason or another and mostly I think because of how he defended Galain from Rashan's OMGUS vote.

Edit: crosspost, bound to happen when you get called away.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 25 June 2009 - 02:40 PM

[Galayn Lord]

Silanah are you suggesting that Kara was defending Galain from Rashan because he knew something about Galain? I/E on the same team?

I wonder what a DG CF would come up as. It would say infected as stated, but as for the name?

[Eloth]

Galayn Lord, on Jun 25 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

Silanah are you suggesting that Kara was defending Galain from Rashan because he knew something about Galain? I/E on the same team?

I wonder what a DG CF would come up as. It would say infected as stated, but as for the name?

Neither of the infected had names and I'm pretty sure it was stated somewhere that none of them will. So every time we hit infected we are going to wonder whether it was possibly the DG or Duncan.

[Silanah]

Galayn Lord, on Jun 25 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

Silanah are you suggesting that Kara was defending Galain from Rashan because he knew something about Galain? I/E on the same team?

I wonder what a DG CF would come up as. It would say infected as stated, but as for the name?

Thats whats bugging me, it fits, but then it also fits nicely into the same argument of "its too obvious." Which means WIFOM and nothing Galain has done has raised my suspicions.

[Thyrllan]

(edit: giant XPost, obviousl)

well while we aint doin much im going to summarise mockras posts

theres two basic themes going on here - he does a lot of discouraging inf reveals, thiss stuff ive put in brown (edit: changed yellow to brown), and he also talks a lot about how hes certain the DG will use compulsion early, which ive put in purple. i wouldve just underlined stuff buts its been used a lot already and i dont wanna mix people up!


heres pretty much all his posts

Mockra, on Jun 22 2009, 10:06 AM, said:

Hello people
Reading through the mechanics it looks like there is 1 scum and 1 infected which means we have a 10% chance or so to hit someone today...

Mockra, on Jun 22 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 22 2009, 09:37 PM, said:

Dont know what this is based on so RP for me is pointless

Likewise
I still am not too sure on all of the mechanics too lol Seems we have alot more scum than I thought

his opening mechanics talks

Mockra, on Jun 22 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

Karatallid, on Jun 22 2009, 10:53 PM, said:

Eloth's av is better than mine.

I agree
Vote Karatallid
So we dont have to see your ugly face anymore >

Mockra, on Jun 23 2009, 01:13 AM, said:

Remove Vote
Catching up... still a bit left

a joke vote later removed ofc that could be distancing now that we know Kara was inf

Mockra, on Jun 23 2009, 01:21 AM, said:

I think Rashan was talking about all of us voting night to see who was the infected player but I don't see how that works considering the power that makes the infected vote a specific way hasn't been in effect considering night hasn't come....
The first infected player will not reveal... it would be stupid to do so considering there is a chance that it could screw them over. I think the DG can only choose one of his powers per night... which would mean he would probabbly want to infect quite a few people before he makes them all vote or makes a few die. I wouldn't think he can do them all at once as he would be able to kill people as soon as they are infected.
Right now I am more inclined to vote for Rashan for obvious reasons..

also downplayin g the powerfulness of the DG when its obvious from the rules tat the DG can use all his powers not just one

Mockra, on Jun 23 2009, 11:20 AM, said:

Well I find merit in Amp's post on Tellan though I also did say that the infected would most likely not reveal..
I would probabbly be more inclined to vote for Tellan now as Rashan's vote was a mistake but with some sort of good intention I think...
As for now I will place a vote on Tellan as it seems to be better than a Rashan case
Vote Tellan

Mockra, on Jun 24 2009, 01:26 PM, said:

Silanah, on Jun 24 2009, 08:06 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jun 24 2009, 04:30 AM, said:

Wow 5 votes on Rashan already... Im all for the Rashan lynch but im not placing a vote right now as it would be at l-4 in just a few hours...
@Kaschan, Yeah Korlat hasn't said much but you should always give the benefit of the doubt on the first day..

So in other words a cop out, you want to go for the easiest target?
And tbh I have looked over your posts and besides misunderstanding the mechanics, you have agreed with someone else's case and you have given no reasons why you would vote for Rashan.

:avote: Mockra

Well first of all if I wanted to go for the easist target, I would have placed a vote but I wanted speculation first..
Secondly, you must be pretty stupid if you think I need to point out the obvious... he voted night, why do I need to restate the obvious..
I find it a little weird that you would go after me rather than one of the people who hoped aboard the train in the early votes considering I didn't even place one.
For now I am going to place my vote on him as he voted night... happy?
Vote Rashan

heres where he starts to get angry for being questiond

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 05:17 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 25 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

Damn. Things don't look good for me. At least I'm still alive but I have some chores to do before I can try and do some begging and pleading to lynch Mockra for his quick about face. Apparently no one gave a second thought of what I brought up about Karallid. Not scummy enough to garner even a comment from anyone but galain or Karallid. Well since my case waisn't even good enough for comment I'll just have to

remove vote

Oh look, out for his own ass again and wants to go after the other person instead of giving an original thought

more angry, trying real hard to get the lynch on Rash a go, when before he didnt think the rash case was good at all

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 07:43 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 25 2009, 05:40 PM, said:

Okay, since Rashan is now fixin' to get hammered, I guess I'm going to

remove vote

as discussed earlier (making it harder for the DG to compel and all that). My vote is still on Mockra, though. In fact, I think there are, like, 3 unregistered votes on Mockra right now, just in case, I dunno, you guys wanna bag a definite scum, 'cause Mockra is scummy as shit.

What?
It seems my suspicions of you as an infected are lowered...

this comment really strikes me as weird, just... i dunno, it seems weird to me - anyone else feel it?

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

A vote on Karatallid? Seems a little off when we are at the end of day and it is clear that its either me or you...
Seems like infected voting how they need to but I cannot be too sure..

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 08:01 AM, said:

Korlat, on Jun 25 2009, 05:59 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 09:56 AM, said:

Korlat, on Jun 25 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

@Mockra - see my last post.

Admittedly, it assumes D'riss is infected as he claims, and that the infected have been compelled, which, as Rashan pointed out, is actually unlikely this early in the game.

I believe that being compelled to vote is very likely this early and not later as there could be a large number of people voting one way, the rest voting the other and it would be apparent who is infected

So...you're saying D'riss is lying about being infected?

Im saying its possible as scum could easily say that to be disinfected instead of an inno who needs it

heres where he starts really believin the DG would use compuslion early, but never exlpains why hes so sure of this. the whole last bit there about scum and disinfect makes no sense either btw

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 25 June 2009 - 03:03 PM

[Thyrllan]

PART 2

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 08:11 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 25 2009, 06:09 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 01:41 AM, said:

Well based on how the voting was going I suspected that there wouldn't be another viable lynch target for the day so I wanted to lynch before infected players could place a vote on their forced target. I know nobody else would have pushed the lynch but that is what I was hoping for as it would have gotten rid of 2 infected who would do the DG's bidding. Now the infected are either the 2 voting for me currently or are on the Rashan train and based on Kaschan not voting for anyone, it seems he might not be infected. I didn't really want to mention lynching when I placed my vote as I didn't want the infected to get their votes down in a flurry.
@Liosan, You think getting rid of 2 infected is only good for scum? I disagree but you can think what you like
Now Rashan is at L-1 so I suspect someone will hammer shortly and we will see if any infected have not placed their needed votes if the effect is in place. Right now the 2 people who I suspect are infected are the 2 voting for me and Sil as the DG.

Repeating your silly argument doesn't make it any less silly. In fact, it might make it more silly. You do realize the DG doesn't have to compel, right? The chances of your plan working were so stupidly small, I don't even know why we're talking about it.

Because I have already stated why I believe that infected would be compelled early

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 08:29 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 25 2009, 06:14 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jun 24 2009, 10:24 PM, said:

Damn forum downs...
Wow I wasn't expecting all this talk about me from my one post while I was checking in...
I didn't vote under pressure... I voted as I found him to be the best candidate earlier and others didn't seem to hesitate. Why should putting him at l-3 be a bad thing from my position.. its not like i am hammering him with 20 hours left. The reason I placed my vote is that I was hoping for a speed lynch on the inevitable target so the 2 infected players in play would die from not having their vote on a specific alt if that power is currently in effect. The fact that 2 people jumped on my is beginning to make me think that there is the DG forcing them to do so which gives me much more suspicions of Sil. It seems not many of you realized that I made a post with a vote that I said I would place earlier and you all begin talking about me over reacting...
Im going to leave my vote where it is and we still have 7 hours with Rash at L-2.
Copy pasta

Whoa if I have learned anything you don't want to vote night the first day and speed lynch in a M&P game on day two is almost as bad for most of the same reasons. Plus why would you want to kill the infected? Just because they are infected doesn't mean they are automatically the enemy. They can still try to help the team that they were placed on with the hopes of becoming disinfected. Look what D'riss did. He was willing to risk there not being a healer to help his "former team" against the possibility of losing. I think this puts another strike against you instead of helping yourslef dig out of the hole you placed yourself.

Yes well D'riss didnt realize that chances are that the DG will kill him before he is disinfected as that is the order of actions. Infected play for whatever side they wish but we cannot know if they are scum or not so are potentially a risk either way. D'riss is a goner, no way around that now..

sorta like a "next inf dont reveal or else!" bit

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 08:30 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 25 2009, 06:24 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 01:56 AM, said:

Korlat, on Jun 25 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

@Mockra - see my last post.

Admittedly, it assumes D'riss is infected as he claims, and that the infected have been compelled, which, as Rashan pointed out, is actually unlikely this early in the game.

I believe that being compelled to vote is very likely this early and not later as there could be a large number of people voting one way, the rest voting the other and it would be apparent who is infected

Just because you think he's not likely to use compel later, that has no bearing on the whether he would use the ability now. Your argument still makes no sense.

So there is a chance he would do it or wouldn't, where did I say I was certain he would? I don't seem to understand your argument

as you can see from the many posts above he very much said he was certain the DG would, though never gave an explanation why

[Thyrllan]

PART 3

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 08:32 AM, said:

Silanah, on Jun 25 2009, 06:29 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 07:41 AM, said:

Well based on how the voting was going I suspected that there wouldn't be another viable lynch target for the day so I wanted to lynch before infected players could place a vote on their forced target. I know nobody else would have pushed the lynch but that is what I was hoping for as it would have gotten rid of 2 infected who would do the DG's bidding. Now the infected are either the 2 voting for me currently or are on the Rashan train and based on Kaschan not voting for anyone, it seems he might not be infected. I didn't really want to mention lynching when I placed my vote as I didn't want the infected to get their votes down in a flurry.
@Liosan, You think getting rid of 2 infected is only good for scum? I disagree but you can think what you like
Now Rashan is at L-1 so I suspect someone will hammer shortly and we will see if any infected have not placed their needed votes if the effect is in place. Right now the 2 people who I suspect are infected are the 2 voting for me and Sil as the DG.

Are you blind??? Kaschan's vote is currently on Rashan

Path-Shaper, on Jun 25 2009, 08:25 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 1 hour and 31 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Silanah, Thyrllan

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

2 votes for Mockra: ( Karatallid, Rashan )
9 votes for Rashan: ( Kaschan, Omtose, Barghast, Mockra, Thyrllan, Galain, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Ampelas )

Players not voted: D'riss, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Silanah

-Mal

Got the name mixed up with Korlat sorry, I suspected him to be a possible infected before

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 08:39 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 25 2009, 06:35 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 02:30 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 25 2009, 06:24 PM, said:

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 01:56 AM, said:

Korlat, on Jun 25 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

@Mockra - see my last post.

Admittedly, it assumes D'riss is infected as he claims, and that the infected have been compelled, which, as Rashan pointed out, is actually unlikely this early in the game.

I believe that being compelled to vote is very likely this early and not later as there could be a large number of people voting one way, the rest voting the other and it would be apparent who is infected

Just because you think he's not likely to use compel later, that has no bearing on the whether he would use the ability now. Your argument still makes no sense.

So there is a chance he would do it or wouldn't, where did I say I was certain he would? I don't seem to understand your argument

When you said you wanted to sacrifice a lot discussion and information by speed-lynching in an attempt to *catch* the infected. I guess I assumed you were pretty sure they were being compelled if you wanted to take that risk.

Yes I was assuming so, do you have a problem with that? I wasn't expecting that anyone would speed lynch anyway but placing my vote and leaving is all I could do. Its funny how people take things out of proportion when they can't find solid evidence

so hes saying that going for that speed lynch to catch the inf was the only thing he could do, but he never said a word about ti until after he was accused about it. i dont see how that speed lynch would work if no one knew about it (regardless of whether it was a good idea or not). seems to me this excuse was made up after he got called out on his quick vote

Mockra, on Jun 25 2009, 08:46 AM, said:

Galain, on Jun 25 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 24 2009, 11:38 PM, said:

Galain, on Jun 25 2009, 02:33 AM, said:

Right now, I wish we could lynch two players in the same day.

Well let's vote for mockra first then we can debate if it's still a good idea to lynch me tomorrow. I believe that I've improved my game play today enough to at least give me another day. Mockra is just digging himself a deeper and deeper hole by the minute.

Nope, you've made your bed and tonight you're going to sleep in it. We aren't going to play this game again tomorrow. Don't worry about Mockra, I'm sure he'll get lots of attention tomorrow.

Yay
Though Im not sure what I am convicted of, it seems everyone finds me suspicious...
@Liosan, Grow up kay?

and a bit more anger and trying to sound inno by being confused about his case and the use of happy smilees to make us all nice again

[Thyrllan]

So the idea is that maybe mockra is the DG, i could see it. he tries to subtly support the idea that infs shoulnt reveal, and after a bit has the idea that since hes gonna only compel later on (which is obviously the better strat that most of us piked up on), he starts talkin about how the DG is so-obvously gonna compel early and not late, thinkin he can convince us of this and throw us off what hes actually doin.