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Posted 26 June 2009 - 05:52 PM
just wondering what we are going to do without game on over the weekend. if we lynch today and then 12 hour night we have to wait for himt o come back as he wont have an action in for tomorrow night. slow weekend will be slow.
vote for mockra kaschan as i think with time running down and the clock ticking you are needed.
vote for mockra kaschan as i think with time running down and the clock ticking you are needed.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:05 PM
Kaschan, on Jun 26 2009, 07:20 PM, said:
So, near as I can tell, the case on me is that I'm symping Mockra, or I know he is my symp? And the case on Galain is that he has pushed crap cases and built cases on infecteds. Not sure either holds any merit. I don't know if I should even vote today unless I'm needed for a lynch, as I'm more or less lost as to whats going on and can't focus for a solid reread. I was interested by Game's reveal, but I think its solid. Like he said, he's got his sister, and his reveal gives us a great deal of useful info.
You're not sure if the case on you holds any merit?
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:07 PM
Liosan has arrived!
And WTF reveal? I guess you're likely to survive for at least a few nights since it looks like the DG only has one recruit, but it seems a bit risky to me. Does provide some useful info, though, since Eloth was my number 1 choice for the DG. Back to the drawing board on that one...
Grr, no, but I can't help but be suspicious of the reveal. What if Game is the DG's infected? If he does die, he'll CF as infected either way and we'll never know if he was telling the truth. He might be trying to clear people who he suspects actually are the DG (Eloth), or there's even a chance that he vigged Duncan last night and now knows who the DG is. He could also be trying to get Duncan (or his sister if Duncan's already dead) to counter-reveal and get him/her killed, too.
I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.
For the record:
Okay, you realize that in these posts you don't directly talk about the DG in the context of giving him information, so I'm still a little hung up on your argument.
That's an interesting assumption to make about DGv2 that I hadn't thought about, though. Thinking about it, I would have to assume that he is told who his infected are, otherwise, how would he be able to SO them? "I'm really angry at that guy. I'm gonna try and SO him and hope he's one of my infected." Seems counter-intuitive.
Also, could you please clarify the following underlined sentence? Are you talking about DGv2 there, as well, or DGv1? How does it give v1 a better idea about his pool?
What information will it give the DG? It may give the scum information about the existence of a healer, which is one valid reason to not reveal, but it will not give any information to the DG. On Day 1 he knows 19 other people can be infected and a healer isn't going to stop that.
It let's the DG (and the scum) know whether or not they have to worry about the healer. It also gives the DG a better idea of what his pool of infected look like. If duncan dies it could people under the impression that infected are being uninfected when they aren't (although the first unknown infected would WCS be regarded as duncan rather than the DG). I made a much more thought out argument on day one - when I made that message I was in a bit of a rush and 'giving the DG information' was the best summary of my previous points.
Isn't Eloth the one who keeps waving an obi-wan-ish hand in front of our face and says 'ignore the cult, find the killers'?
I've never said ignore the cult. Half of my posts concern the cult and how to deal with it. I've just been doing my doing my best to remind everyone that the killers are still around and we should also be paying them a fair amount of attention.
Same as above. If you lot really want, I will try find the various posts on day one that give my thoughts on the situation.
I feel like a lot of what I have said has been taken out of context or mis-interpreted, reread what I originally said.
For some reason I've just assumed the v2 wont be told who the current infected are, since that's usually the case when the recruiting power is passed on in cult situations. I'm sure the v2 could choose to SO all infected without knowing who they are if he felt he needed to, or use compulsion to narrow the list of people who are currently infected.
And it gives both a better idea - the DGv1 has no reason to use SO or compulsion early on in the game. Those are his only two ways of checking if an infected is still an infected. If every infected reveals, the DG will be forced to keep SO'ing them - if they survive he can be pretty sure they are no longer infected and he knows exactly how many people are still on his team. If people dont reveal, there's a chance that Duncan may be able to disinfect a couple of them without the DG realising. This would likely result in the DG playing his hand too early and getting caught out, which is a good thing.
This is why I'm suspicious of Eloth. Where does it say the DG won't be told when his recruits get disinfected, or that the DGv2 won't know who his recruits are? You can say you're just speculating, but it really feels to me like you're playing this game with more information about the DG mechanics than the rest of us.
Also mass of votes on Galain for what amounts to a mostly WIFOM case that paints him as at-worst a symp? I think he's been playing way to aggressively to be a killer, whereas Mockra has definitely been trying to hide in the shadows since day 1. I think we'll get a lot more info from lynching him. And if he turns up scum, there may now be even more likely symp candidates among the Galain pilers-on now. Why are you guys trying to lynch a possible symp? Has everyone gone stupid?
Oh, yes, and,
Vote Mockra
since it's getting late.
Be back in an hour or so.
And WTF reveal? I guess you're likely to survive for at least a few nights since it looks like the DG only has one recruit, but it seems a bit risky to me. Does provide some useful info, though, since Eloth was my number 1 choice for the DG. Back to the drawing board on that one...
Grr, no, but I can't help but be suspicious of the reveal. What if Game is the DG's infected? If he does die, he'll CF as infected either way and we'll never know if he was telling the truth. He might be trying to clear people who he suspects actually are the DG (Eloth), or there's even a chance that he vigged Duncan last night and now knows who the DG is. He could also be trying to get Duncan (or his sister if Duncan's already dead) to counter-reveal and get him/her killed, too.
I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.
For the record:
Eloth, on Jun 26 2009, 07:00 AM, said:
Liosan, on Jun 26 2009, 02:17 AM, said:
Eloth, on Jun 25 2009, 04:56 AM, said:
Ok, here's the two posts where I discussed infected revealing. My main point concerns the healer. As people pointed out this helps the scum more than the DG. At the end of the day it's still bad for town. The whole thing is a bit moot now since D'riss revealed, since whether or not he survives the night will probably decide how the infected play, rather than our views on the matter.
Having thought about it some more, there's also the fact that we cant be 100% certain that the person who revealed is back in their original team should they survive. The chances would be good that they are, but there is the slight possibility they could survive the night without being uninfected. I would also assume the DG v2 doesnt get told who the first DG infected. If all the infected reveal, then it makes it much easier for the DGv2 to try figure out who Duncan is. It also makes it easier for any infected with a kill to do the same and upgrade themselves to symp.
Eloth, on Jun 22 2009, 04:05 PM, said:
Woo, it seems I might be giving Ano a run for his money in the cool avatar category. Hah, take that you smug account tongue.gif
Healing the infected person before they are killed is a cool theory, but there are a couple of drawbacks to it. We dont know if we have a healer, it will be pretty obvious that the healer is dead when infected people start dying and it gives the killers free reign if they know who the healer is aiming for each night.
We really shouldnt get overly focused on the cult-like faction this game. With the mechanics laid out, a single transfer of recruiting power and the lack of a clear leader means they aren't the massive threat they usually are. I think hunting for killers and for the DG should both be equally important.
Healing the infected person before they are killed is a cool theory, but there are a couple of drawbacks to it. We dont know if we have a healer, it will be pretty obvious that the healer is dead when infected people start dying and it gives the killers free reign if they know who the healer is aiming for each night.
We really shouldnt get overly focused on the cult-like faction this game. With the mechanics laid out, a single transfer of recruiting power and the lack of a clear leader means they aren't the massive threat they usually are. I think hunting for killers and for the DG should both be equally important.
Eloth, on Jun 23 2009, 12:38 AM, said:
As interesting an idea as the infected constantly revealing is, there are several reasons they likely wont, which have been brought up before:
We dont know for a fact that we have a healer. The DG can kill whichever infected he feels isnt worth keeping around and a revealed infected would definitely classify in that category.
Even if we do have a healer, we are then forcing them to devote all their time to only ever healing infected, meaning the killers have almost nothing to fear.
If the healer dies it would become obvious that this is the case - information both scum teams are better off not having.
We wont know whether the DG or Shriek has been hit if some unrevealed comes up as infected.
There's just too many ways the plan could possibly fall to pieces. Maybe the first one or two infectees might be willing to chance it, but it's really there choice. I dont see any strategy that will immediately nullify the DG, Morgy wouldnt build a game so easily broken.
We dont know for a fact that we have a healer. The DG can kill whichever infected he feels isnt worth keeping around and a revealed infected would definitely classify in that category.
Even if we do have a healer, we are then forcing them to devote all their time to only ever healing infected, meaning the killers have almost nothing to fear.
If the healer dies it would become obvious that this is the case - information both scum teams are better off not having.
We wont know whether the DG or Shriek has been hit if some unrevealed comes up as infected.
There's just too many ways the plan could possibly fall to pieces. Maybe the first one or two infectees might be willing to chance it, but it's really there choice. I dont see any strategy that will immediately nullify the DG, Morgy wouldnt build a game so easily broken.
Having thought about it some more, there's also the fact that we cant be 100% certain that the person who revealed is back in their original team should they survive. The chances would be good that they are, but there is the slight possibility they could survive the night without being uninfected. I would also assume the DG v2 doesnt get told who the first DG infected. If all the infected reveal, then it makes it much easier for the DGv2 to try figure out who Duncan is. It also makes it easier for any infected with a kill to do the same and upgrade themselves to symp.
Okay, you realize that in these posts you don't directly talk about the DG in the context of giving him information, so I'm still a little hung up on your argument.
That's an interesting assumption to make about DGv2 that I hadn't thought about, though. Thinking about it, I would have to assume that he is told who his infected are, otherwise, how would he be able to SO them? "I'm really angry at that guy. I'm gonna try and SO him and hope he's one of my infected." Seems counter-intuitive.
Also, could you please clarify the following underlined sentence? Are you talking about DGv2 there, as well, or DGv1? How does it give v1 a better idea about his pool?
Eloth, on Jun 24 2009, 06:42 PM, said:
Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 08:51 PM, said:
Eloth, on Jun 24 2009, 11:48 AM, said:
For the record I still think the whole infected revealing thing could hurt team inno since it will give the DG lots of information, but since I doubt any of the infected will come forward it's a moot point.
TBH I could actually go for Mockra or Rashan, since Mockra's reaction was pretty telling, but Rashan is one of those players that we will have to lynch at some point, else they will become a sticking-point in the game. Anyway, I'm going out for some drinks, see you guys later.
TBH I could actually go for Mockra or Rashan, since Mockra's reaction was pretty telling, but Rashan is one of those players that we will have to lynch at some point, else they will become a sticking-point in the game. Anyway, I'm going out for some drinks, see you guys later.
What information will it give the DG? It may give the scum information about the existence of a healer, which is one valid reason to not reveal, but it will not give any information to the DG. On Day 1 he knows 19 other people can be infected and a healer isn't going to stop that.
It let's the DG (and the scum) know whether or not they have to worry about the healer. It also gives the DG a better idea of what his pool of infected look like. If duncan dies it could people under the impression that infected are being uninfected when they aren't (although the first unknown infected would WCS be regarded as duncan rather than the DG). I made a much more thought out argument on day one - when I made that message I was in a bit of a rush and 'giving the DG information' was the best summary of my previous points.
Galayn Lord, on Jun 24 2009, 09:32 PM, said:
Hood's Path, on Jun 24 2009, 02:19 PM, said:
Eloth from the general pattern of his posts, seem to be is that he comes in the middle of the conversation, agrees with one side, and makes some casual remarks about players like how they seem odd or so forth. I'll give it a much thorough check to be sure I'm right in my assessment of him.
Isn't Eloth the one who keeps waving an obi-wan-ish hand in front of our face and says 'ignore the cult, find the killers'?
I've never said ignore the cult. Half of my posts concern the cult and how to deal with it. I've just been doing my doing my best to remind everyone that the killers are still around and we should also be paying them a fair amount of attention.
Liosan, on Jun 24 2009, 10:05 PM, said:
I would also like Eloth to explain why he thinks an infected reveal "will give the DG lots of information."
Same as above. If you lot really want, I will try find the various posts on day one that give my thoughts on the situation.
I feel like a lot of what I have said has been taken out of context or mis-interpreted, reread what I originally said.
For some reason I've just assumed the v2 wont be told who the current infected are, since that's usually the case when the recruiting power is passed on in cult situations. I'm sure the v2 could choose to SO all infected without knowing who they are if he felt he needed to, or use compulsion to narrow the list of people who are currently infected.
And it gives both a better idea - the DGv1 has no reason to use SO or compulsion early on in the game. Those are his only two ways of checking if an infected is still an infected. If every infected reveals, the DG will be forced to keep SO'ing them - if they survive he can be pretty sure they are no longer infected and he knows exactly how many people are still on his team. If people dont reveal, there's a chance that Duncan may be able to disinfect a couple of them without the DG realising. This would likely result in the DG playing his hand too early and getting caught out, which is a good thing.
This is why I'm suspicious of Eloth. Where does it say the DG won't be told when his recruits get disinfected, or that the DGv2 won't know who his recruits are? You can say you're just speculating, but it really feels to me like you're playing this game with more information about the DG mechanics than the rest of us.
Also mass of votes on Galain for what amounts to a mostly WIFOM case that paints him as at-worst a symp? I think he's been playing way to aggressively to be a killer, whereas Mockra has definitely been trying to hide in the shadows since day 1. I think we'll get a lot more info from lynching him. And if he turns up scum, there may now be even more likely symp candidates among the Galain pilers-on now. Why are you guys trying to lynch a possible symp? Has everyone gone stupid?
Oh, yes, and,
Vote Mockra
since it's getting late.
Be back in an hour or so.
#1186
Galayn Lord
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:20 PM
Ok, I'm back and read up. Game you are gone, but let me respond to you: You missed parts of each case that you downplayed.
And now to Liosan: I can't see a fake reveal working, unless duncan and janice are dead. If anyone fake reveals as Duncan, and duncan or janice are still alive, can't they just disinfect them that night to see what happens, then announce the results the next day?
In response to Liosan, I HAVE to say that if you are the real Duncan/Janice - don't reveal in response to Gam, disinfect him to see if he is the DG or just an infected.
I personally doubt that we have lost both Duncan and Janice and any infecteds would know... and now as I think further the DG might. Do they both CF as infected or just Duncan? hrm let me go read the 3rd post.
And now to Liosan: I can't see a fake reveal working, unless duncan and janice are dead. If anyone fake reveals as Duncan, and duncan or janice are still alive, can't they just disinfect them that night to see what happens, then announce the results the next day?
In response to Liosan, I HAVE to say that if you are the real Duncan/Janice - don't reveal in response to Gam, disinfect him to see if he is the DG or just an infected.
I personally doubt that we have lost both Duncan and Janice and any infecteds would know... and now as I think further the DG might. Do they both CF as infected or just Duncan? hrm let me go read the 3rd post.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:21 PM
Liosan, on Jun 26 2009, 08:07 PM, said:
Liosan has arrived!
And WTF reveal? I guess you're likely to survive for at least a few nights since it looks like the DG only has one recruit, but it seems a bit risky to me. Does provide some useful info, though, since Eloth was my number 1 choice for the DG. Back to the drawing board on that one...
Grr, no, but I can't help but be suspicious of the reveal. What if Game is the DG's infected? If he does die, he'll CF as infected either way and we'll never know if he was telling the truth. He might be trying to clear people who he suspects actually are the DG (Eloth), or there's even a chance that he vigged Duncan last night and now knows who the DG is. He could also be trying to get Duncan (or his sister if Duncan's already dead) to counter-reveal and get him/her killed, too.
I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.
For the record:
Okay, you realize that in these posts you don't directly talk about the DG in the context of giving him information, so I'm still a little hung up on your argument.
That's an interesting assumption to make about DGv2 that I hadn't thought about, though. Thinking about it, I would have to assume that he is told who his infected are, otherwise, how would he be able to SO them? "I'm really angry at that guy. I'm gonna try and SO him and hope he's one of my infected." Seems counter-intuitive.
Also, could you please clarify the following underlined sentence? Are you talking about DGv2 there, as well, or DGv1? How does it give v1 a better idea about his pool?
What information will it give the DG? It may give the scum information about the existence of a healer, which is one valid reason to not reveal, but it will not give any information to the DG. On Day 1 he knows 19 other people can be infected and a healer isn't going to stop that.
It let's the DG (and the scum) know whether or not they have to worry about the healer. It also gives the DG a better idea of what his pool of infected look like. If duncan dies it could people under the impression that infected are being uninfected when they aren't (although the first unknown infected would WCS be regarded as duncan rather than the DG). I made a much more thought out argument on day one - when I made that message I was in a bit of a rush and 'giving the DG information' was the best summary of my previous points.
Isn't Eloth the one who keeps waving an obi-wan-ish hand in front of our face and says 'ignore the cult, find the killers'?
I've never said ignore the cult. Half of my posts concern the cult and how to deal with it. I've just been doing my doing my best to remind everyone that the killers are still around and we should also be paying them a fair amount of attention.
Same as above. If you lot really want, I will try find the various posts on day one that give my thoughts on the situation.
I feel like a lot of what I have said has been taken out of context or mis-interpreted, reread what I originally said.
For some reason I've just assumed the v2 wont be told who the current infected are, since that's usually the case when the recruiting power is passed on in cult situations. I'm sure the v2 could choose to SO all infected without knowing who they are if he felt he needed to, or use compulsion to narrow the list of people who are currently infected.
And it gives both a better idea - the DGv1 has no reason to use SO or compulsion early on in the game. Those are his only two ways of checking if an infected is still an infected. If every infected reveals, the DG will be forced to keep SO'ing them - if they survive he can be pretty sure they are no longer infected and he knows exactly how many people are still on his team. If people dont reveal, there's a chance that Duncan may be able to disinfect a couple of them without the DG realising. This would likely result in the DG playing his hand too early and getting caught out, which is a good thing.
This is why I'm suspicious of Eloth. Where does it say the DG won't be told when his recruits get disinfected, or that the DGv2 won't know who his recruits are? You can say you're just speculating, but it really feels to me like you're playing this game with more information about the DG mechanics than the rest of us.
Also mass of votes on Galain for what amounts to a mostly WIFOM case that paints him as at-worst a symp? I think he's been playing way to aggressively to be a killer, whereas Mockra has definitely been trying to hide in the shadows since day 1. I think we'll get a lot more info from lynching him. And if he turns up scum, there may now be even more likely symp candidates among the Galain pilers-on now. Why are you guys trying to lynch a possible symp? Has everyone gone stupid?
Oh, yes, and,
Vote Mockra
since it's getting late.
Be back in an hour or so.
And WTF reveal? I guess you're likely to survive for at least a few nights since it looks like the DG only has one recruit, but it seems a bit risky to me. Does provide some useful info, though, since Eloth was my number 1 choice for the DG. Back to the drawing board on that one...
Grr, no, but I can't help but be suspicious of the reveal. What if Game is the DG's infected? If he does die, he'll CF as infected either way and we'll never know if he was telling the truth. He might be trying to clear people who he suspects actually are the DG (Eloth), or there's even a chance that he vigged Duncan last night and now knows who the DG is. He could also be trying to get Duncan (or his sister if Duncan's already dead) to counter-reveal and get him/her killed, too.
I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.
For the record:
Eloth, on Jun 26 2009, 07:00 AM, said:
Liosan, on Jun 26 2009, 02:17 AM, said:
Eloth, on Jun 25 2009, 04:56 AM, said:
Ok, here's the two posts where I discussed infected revealing. My main point concerns the healer. As people pointed out this helps the scum more than the DG. At the end of the day it's still bad for town. The whole thing is a bit moot now since D'riss revealed, since whether or not he survives the night will probably decide how the infected play, rather than our views on the matter.
Having thought about it some more, there's also the fact that we cant be 100% certain that the person who revealed is back in their original team should they survive. The chances would be good that they are, but there is the slight possibility they could survive the night without being uninfected. I would also assume the DG v2 doesnt get told who the first DG infected. If all the infected reveal, then it makes it much easier for the DGv2 to try figure out who Duncan is. It also makes it easier for any infected with a kill to do the same and upgrade themselves to symp.
Eloth, on Jun 22 2009, 04:05 PM, said:
Woo, it seems I might be giving Ano a run for his money in the cool avatar category. Hah, take that you smug account tongue.gif
Healing the infected person before they are killed is a cool theory, but there are a couple of drawbacks to it. We dont know if we have a healer, it will be pretty obvious that the healer is dead when infected people start dying and it gives the killers free reign if they know who the healer is aiming for each night.
We really shouldnt get overly focused on the cult-like faction this game. With the mechanics laid out, a single transfer of recruiting power and the lack of a clear leader means they aren't the massive threat they usually are. I think hunting for killers and for the DG should both be equally important.
Healing the infected person before they are killed is a cool theory, but there are a couple of drawbacks to it. We dont know if we have a healer, it will be pretty obvious that the healer is dead when infected people start dying and it gives the killers free reign if they know who the healer is aiming for each night.
We really shouldnt get overly focused on the cult-like faction this game. With the mechanics laid out, a single transfer of recruiting power and the lack of a clear leader means they aren't the massive threat they usually are. I think hunting for killers and for the DG should both be equally important.
Eloth, on Jun 23 2009, 12:38 AM, said:
As interesting an idea as the infected constantly revealing is, there are several reasons they likely wont, which have been brought up before:
We dont know for a fact that we have a healer. The DG can kill whichever infected he feels isnt worth keeping around and a revealed infected would definitely classify in that category.
Even if we do have a healer, we are then forcing them to devote all their time to only ever healing infected, meaning the killers have almost nothing to fear.
If the healer dies it would become obvious that this is the case - information both scum teams are better off not having.
We wont know whether the DG or Shriek has been hit if some unrevealed comes up as infected.
There's just too many ways the plan could possibly fall to pieces. Maybe the first one or two infectees might be willing to chance it, but it's really there choice. I dont see any strategy that will immediately nullify the DG, Morgy wouldnt build a game so easily broken.
We dont know for a fact that we have a healer. The DG can kill whichever infected he feels isnt worth keeping around and a revealed infected would definitely classify in that category.
Even if we do have a healer, we are then forcing them to devote all their time to only ever healing infected, meaning the killers have almost nothing to fear.
If the healer dies it would become obvious that this is the case - information both scum teams are better off not having.
We wont know whether the DG or Shriek has been hit if some unrevealed comes up as infected.
There's just too many ways the plan could possibly fall to pieces. Maybe the first one or two infectees might be willing to chance it, but it's really there choice. I dont see any strategy that will immediately nullify the DG, Morgy wouldnt build a game so easily broken.
Having thought about it some more, there's also the fact that we cant be 100% certain that the person who revealed is back in their original team should they survive. The chances would be good that they are, but there is the slight possibility they could survive the night without being uninfected. I would also assume the DG v2 doesnt get told who the first DG infected. If all the infected reveal, then it makes it much easier for the DGv2 to try figure out who Duncan is. It also makes it easier for any infected with a kill to do the same and upgrade themselves to symp.
Okay, you realize that in these posts you don't directly talk about the DG in the context of giving him information, so I'm still a little hung up on your argument.
That's an interesting assumption to make about DGv2 that I hadn't thought about, though. Thinking about it, I would have to assume that he is told who his infected are, otherwise, how would he be able to SO them? "I'm really angry at that guy. I'm gonna try and SO him and hope he's one of my infected." Seems counter-intuitive.
Also, could you please clarify the following underlined sentence? Are you talking about DGv2 there, as well, or DGv1? How does it give v1 a better idea about his pool?
Eloth, on Jun 24 2009, 06:42 PM, said:
Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 08:51 PM, said:
Eloth, on Jun 24 2009, 11:48 AM, said:
For the record I still think the whole infected revealing thing could hurt team inno since it will give the DG lots of information, but since I doubt any of the infected will come forward it's a moot point.
TBH I could actually go for Mockra or Rashan, since Mockra's reaction was pretty telling, but Rashan is one of those players that we will have to lynch at some point, else they will become a sticking-point in the game. Anyway, I'm going out for some drinks, see you guys later.
TBH I could actually go for Mockra or Rashan, since Mockra's reaction was pretty telling, but Rashan is one of those players that we will have to lynch at some point, else they will become a sticking-point in the game. Anyway, I'm going out for some drinks, see you guys later.
What information will it give the DG? It may give the scum information about the existence of a healer, which is one valid reason to not reveal, but it will not give any information to the DG. On Day 1 he knows 19 other people can be infected and a healer isn't going to stop that.
It let's the DG (and the scum) know whether or not they have to worry about the healer. It also gives the DG a better idea of what his pool of infected look like. If duncan dies it could people under the impression that infected are being uninfected when they aren't (although the first unknown infected would WCS be regarded as duncan rather than the DG). I made a much more thought out argument on day one - when I made that message I was in a bit of a rush and 'giving the DG information' was the best summary of my previous points.
Galayn Lord, on Jun 24 2009, 09:32 PM, said:
Hood's Path, on Jun 24 2009, 02:19 PM, said:
Eloth from the general pattern of his posts, seem to be is that he comes in the middle of the conversation, agrees with one side, and makes some casual remarks about players like how they seem odd or so forth. I'll give it a much thorough check to be sure I'm right in my assessment of him.
Isn't Eloth the one who keeps waving an obi-wan-ish hand in front of our face and says 'ignore the cult, find the killers'?
I've never said ignore the cult. Half of my posts concern the cult and how to deal with it. I've just been doing my doing my best to remind everyone that the killers are still around and we should also be paying them a fair amount of attention.
Liosan, on Jun 24 2009, 10:05 PM, said:
I would also like Eloth to explain why he thinks an infected reveal "will give the DG lots of information."
Same as above. If you lot really want, I will try find the various posts on day one that give my thoughts on the situation.
I feel like a lot of what I have said has been taken out of context or mis-interpreted, reread what I originally said.
For some reason I've just assumed the v2 wont be told who the current infected are, since that's usually the case when the recruiting power is passed on in cult situations. I'm sure the v2 could choose to SO all infected without knowing who they are if he felt he needed to, or use compulsion to narrow the list of people who are currently infected.
And it gives both a better idea - the DGv1 has no reason to use SO or compulsion early on in the game. Those are his only two ways of checking if an infected is still an infected. If every infected reveals, the DG will be forced to keep SO'ing them - if they survive he can be pretty sure they are no longer infected and he knows exactly how many people are still on his team. If people dont reveal, there's a chance that Duncan may be able to disinfect a couple of them without the DG realising. This would likely result in the DG playing his hand too early and getting caught out, which is a good thing.
This is why I'm suspicious of Eloth. Where does it say the DG won't be told when his recruits get disinfected, or that the DGv2 won't know who his recruits are? You can say you're just speculating, but it really feels to me like you're playing this game with more information about the DG mechanics than the rest of us.
Also mass of votes on Galain for what amounts to a mostly WIFOM case that paints him as at-worst a symp? I think he's been playing way to aggressively to be a killer, whereas Mockra has definitely been trying to hide in the shadows since day 1. I think we'll get a lot more info from lynching him. And if he turns up scum, there may now be even more likely symp candidates among the Galain pilers-on now. Why are you guys trying to lynch a possible symp? Has everyone gone stupid?
Oh, yes, and,
Vote Mockra
since it's getting late.
Be back in an hour or so.
What extra information? It's standard practice that the cult isnt told if they lose a member and for the second recruiter not to be told who all of the recruits are. You acknowledge Gamelon has confirmed that I'm not the DG, and then still keep saying you think that's who you think I am. I think I've been pretty logical and I've explained exactly why I think the game works the way it does and it looks like you've pretty much ignored what I said.
While your WCS is technically possible, it doubt it's the case. It's just way to risky for a plain infected to fake without earning too much reward, and if it's a killer turned symp then Duncan's sister is sure to reveal.
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Thyrllan, on Jun 26 2009, 11:07 AM, said:
dont bother gents, your please are fallin on kaschns deaf ears. hes obviously coasting and doestn give a crap.
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For MF'ing emphasis! Seriously? He disappears yesterday, comes back with the typical, "Got called away," and then leaves without a vote on me or Mockra?!
Liosan, on Jun 26 2009, 11:07 AM, said:
Liosan has arrived!
And WTF reveal? I guess you're likely to survive for at least a few nights since it looks like the DG only has one recruit, but it seems a bit risky to me. Does provide some useful info, though, since Eloth was my number 1 choice for the DG. Back to the drawing board on that one...
Grr, no, but I can't help but be suspicious of the reveal. What if Game is the DG's infected? If he does die, he'll CF as infected either way and we'll never know if he was telling the truth. He might be trying to clear people who he suspects actually are the DG (Eloth), or there's even a chance that he vigged Duncan last night and now knows who the DG is. He could also be trying to get Duncan (or his sister if Duncan's already dead) to counter-reveal and get him/her killed, too.
I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.
*SNIP GIANT QUOTE*
This is why I'm suspicious of Eloth. Where does it say the DG won't be told when his recruits get disinfected, or that the DGv2 won't know who his recruits are? You can say you're just speculating, but it really feels to me like you're playing this game with more information about the DG mechanics than the rest of us.
Also mass of votes on Galain for what amounts to a mostly WIFOM case that paints him as at-worst a symp? I think he's been playing way to aggressively to be a killer, whereas Mockra has definitely been trying to hide in the shadows since day 1. I think we'll get a lot more info from lynching him. And if he turns up scum, there may now be even more likely symp candidates among the Galain pilers-on now. Why are you guys trying to lynch a possible symp? Has everyone gone stupid?
Oh, yes, and,
Vote Mockra
since it's getting late.
Be back in an hour or so.
And WTF reveal? I guess you're likely to survive for at least a few nights since it looks like the DG only has one recruit, but it seems a bit risky to me. Does provide some useful info, though, since Eloth was my number 1 choice for the DG. Back to the drawing board on that one...
Grr, no, but I can't help but be suspicious of the reveal. What if Game is the DG's infected? If he does die, he'll CF as infected either way and we'll never know if he was telling the truth. He might be trying to clear people who he suspects actually are the DG (Eloth), or there's even a chance that he vigged Duncan last night and now knows who the DG is. He could also be trying to get Duncan (or his sister if Duncan's already dead) to counter-reveal and get him/her killed, too.
I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.
*SNIP GIANT QUOTE*
This is why I'm suspicious of Eloth. Where does it say the DG won't be told when his recruits get disinfected, or that the DGv2 won't know who his recruits are? You can say you're just speculating, but it really feels to me like you're playing this game with more information about the DG mechanics than the rest of us.
Also mass of votes on Galain for what amounts to a mostly WIFOM case that paints him as at-worst a symp? I think he's been playing way to aggressively to be a killer, whereas Mockra has definitely been trying to hide in the shadows since day 1. I think we'll get a lot more info from lynching him. And if he turns up scum, there may now be even more likely symp candidates among the Galain pilers-on now. Why are you guys trying to lynch a possible symp? Has everyone gone stupid?
Oh, yes, and,
Vote Mockra
since it's getting late.
Be back in an hour or so.
I had considered a similar strategy, Lio, but in order for it to be effective, Game has to be a vig that was infected before the game begun or Night 2, has to have vigged Duncan (aka Karat, by this theory--and this would work if he was infected last night because he would be infected and then land his kill and immediately become the symp), and then tried to clear his scum master?
If Janice counter-reveals on Game and claims Karat was Duncan, all Game has done is sucked out the disinfector and gotten himself quickly lynched while Janice checks HP or Eloth for infection. Meaning we get the symp and DG1 in 2 days. I could see the killers killing Duncan, but Janice too, when the DG is pretty clearly still around?
Nah, if your theory has any truth, I think its more likely an unnamed person is the real DG. Also, you vote Mockra as the case on me is WIFOM and your potential theory is basically the same thing on Gamelon.
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Eloth said:
What extra information? It's standard practice that the cult isnt told if they lose a member and for the second recruiter not to be told who all of the recruits are. You acknowledge Gamelon has confirmed that I'm not the DG, and then still keep saying you think that's who you think I am. I think I've been pretty logical and I've explained exactly why I think the game works the way it does and it looks like you've pretty much ignored what I said.
While your WCS is technically possible, it doubt it's the case. It's just way to risky for a plain infected to fake without earning too much reward, and if it's a killer turned symp then Duncan's sister is sure to reveal.
While your WCS is technically possible, it doubt it's the case. It's just way to risky for a plain infected to fake without earning too much reward, and if it's a killer turned symp then Duncan's sister is sure to reveal.
Not sure why we're thinking standard mechanics when you just established scum or the DG may have 'weird' abilities like in alt's game. Probably safe to make the assumption but I wouldn't rule it out. The cult is not that powerful since they don't know their master, so it almost makes sense that the second recruiter would get to learn of the previous recruits.
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Liosan, on Jun 26 2009, 10:07 AM, said:
Liosan has arrived!
And WTF reveal? I guess you're likely to survive for at least a few nights since it looks like the DG only has one recruit, but it seems a bit risky to me. Does provide some useful info, though, since Eloth was my number 1 choice for the DG. Back to the drawing board on that one...
Grr, no, but I can't help but be suspicious of the reveal. What if Game is the DG's infected? If he does die, he'll CF as infected either way and we'll never know if he was telling the truth. He might be trying to clear people who he suspects actually are the DG (Eloth), or there's even a chance that he vigged Duncan last night and now knows who the DG is. He could also be trying to get Duncan (or his sister if Duncan's already dead) to counter-reveal and get him/her killed, too.
I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.
And WTF reveal? I guess you're likely to survive for at least a few nights since it looks like the DG only has one recruit, but it seems a bit risky to me. Does provide some useful info, though, since Eloth was my number 1 choice for the DG. Back to the drawing board on that one...
Grr, no, but I can't help but be suspicious of the reveal. What if Game is the DG's infected? If he does die, he'll CF as infected either way and we'll never know if he was telling the truth. He might be trying to clear people who he suspects actually are the DG (Eloth), or there's even a chance that he vigged Duncan last night and now knows who the DG is. He could also be trying to get Duncan (or his sister if Duncan's already dead) to counter-reveal and get him/her killed, too.
I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.
Just to point you to something it the list of possible player names used for this game:
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List of names that may or may not be present in game
List of names
Michael Abrasis
Dunacan Shriek
Janice Shriek
Frederick Madnok
Living saint of
- the Order of Ejaculation
- the Order of Flatulence
- the Order of Urination
- the order of Defecation
Voss Bender
Maxwell Bibble
Heckira Blgkkydks
Caroline of the Church of the Seven-Pointed Star
Xaver Daffed
Martin Lake
Marmey Gort
Henry Hoegbotton
Richard Peterson
Ibonof Ibonof
Stretcher Jones
Amir al-Mu'minin
Abu Bakr
Al-Zubayr
Abd-ar-Rahman III
Mary Sabom
Samuel Tonsure
Kretchen, the Gray Cap Hunter
Kristina of Malfour, the Lepper Saint
Alfred Kubin
James Laconde
the Doppelganger
King Squid
George Leopran
Roger Mandible
Red Martigan
Masouf
Saint Philip the Philanderer
Maximillian Sharp
William Simpkin
Sirin
Jonathan Merrimount
List of names
Michael Abrasis
Dunacan Shriek
Janice Shriek
Frederick Madnok
Living saint of
- the Order of Ejaculation
- the Order of Flatulence
- the Order of Urination
- the order of Defecation
Voss Bender
Maxwell Bibble
Heckira Blgkkydks
Caroline of the Church of the Seven-Pointed Star
Xaver Daffed
Martin Lake
Marmey Gort
Henry Hoegbotton
Richard Peterson
Ibonof Ibonof
Stretcher Jones
Amir al-Mu'minin
Abu Bakr
Al-Zubayr
Abd-ar-Rahman III
Mary Sabom
Samuel Tonsure
Kretchen, the Gray Cap Hunter
Kristina of Malfour, the Lepper Saint
Alfred Kubin
James Laconde
the Doppelganger
King Squid
George Leopran
Roger Mandible
Red Martigan
Masouf
Saint Philip the Philanderer
Maximillian Sharp
William Simpkin
Sirin
Jonathan Merrimount
Ok Duncan, Janice and the Doppelganger are mentioned in the list of potential names to be used!
So are you thinking that if someone role is Duncan Shriek, they may have a different name for the CF when they are killed?
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:31 PM
No HP. The setup says firmly that the DG and Duncan CF as 'infected.' Janice CFs as 'innocent' unless she has taken Duncan's job, when she will CF 'infected.'
edit: The Doppleganger will also CF as 'infected.'
edit: The Doppleganger will also CF as 'infected.'
This post has been edited by Galain: 26 June 2009 - 06:33 PM
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:31 PM
Ok - If Duncan dies first, he comes up as infected, and if Janice then dies, she comes up as infected.
Which means we could have, possibly, highly improbably, lost both last night.
Which means we could have, possibly, highly improbably, lost both last night.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:33 PM
Galayn Lord, on Jun 26 2009, 01:31 PM, said:
Ok - If Duncan dies first, he comes up as infected, and if Janice then dies, she comes up as infected.
Which means we could have, possibly, highly improbably, lost both last night.
Which means we could have, possibly, highly improbably, lost both last night.
No wait. D'riss announced he was infected on thread. And his brains leaked out his ears.
So WCS, we lost Duncan last night (Karat).
So if Gamelon is lying, Janice is still around to ridicule him.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:34 PM
Hood's Path, on Jun 26 2009, 08:28 PM, said:
Liosan, on Jun 26 2009, 10:07 AM, said:
Liosan has arrived!
And WTF reveal? I guess you're likely to survive for at least a few nights since it looks like the DG only has one recruit, but it seems a bit risky to me. Does provide some useful info, though, since Eloth was my number 1 choice for the DG. Back to the drawing board on that one...
Grr, no, but I can't help but be suspicious of the reveal. What if Game is the DG's infected? If he does die, he'll CF as infected either way and we'll never know if he was telling the truth. He might be trying to clear people who he suspects actually are the DG (Eloth), or there's even a chance that he vigged Duncan last night and now knows who the DG is. He could also be trying to get Duncan (or his sister if Duncan's already dead) to counter-reveal and get him/her killed, too.
I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.
And WTF reveal? I guess you're likely to survive for at least a few nights since it looks like the DG only has one recruit, but it seems a bit risky to me. Does provide some useful info, though, since Eloth was my number 1 choice for the DG. Back to the drawing board on that one...
Grr, no, but I can't help but be suspicious of the reveal. What if Game is the DG's infected? If he does die, he'll CF as infected either way and we'll never know if he was telling the truth. He might be trying to clear people who he suspects actually are the DG (Eloth), or there's even a chance that he vigged Duncan last night and now knows who the DG is. He could also be trying to get Duncan (or his sister if Duncan's already dead) to counter-reveal and get him/her killed, too.
I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.
Just to point you to something it the list of possible player names used for this game:
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List of names that may or may not be present in game
List of names
Michael Abrasis
Dunacan Shriek
Janice Shriek
Frederick Madnok
Living saint of
- the Order of Ejaculation
- the Order of Flatulence
- the Order of Urination
- the order of Defecation
Voss Bender
Maxwell Bibble
Heckira Blgkkydks
Caroline of the Church of the Seven-Pointed Star
Xaver Daffed
Martin Lake
Marmey Gort
Henry Hoegbotton
Richard Peterson
Ibonof Ibonof
Stretcher Jones
Amir al-Mu'minin
Abu Bakr
Al-Zubayr
Abd-ar-Rahman III
Mary Sabom
Samuel Tonsure
Kretchen, the Gray Cap Hunter
Kristina of Malfour, the Lepper Saint
Alfred Kubin
James Laconde
the Doppelganger
King Squid
George Leopran
Roger Mandible
Red Martigan
Masouf
Saint Philip the Philanderer
Maximillian Sharp
William Simpkin
Sirin
Jonathan Merrimount
List of names
Michael Abrasis
Dunacan Shriek
Janice Shriek
Frederick Madnok
Living saint of
- the Order of Ejaculation
- the Order of Flatulence
- the Order of Urination
- the order of Defecation
Voss Bender
Maxwell Bibble
Heckira Blgkkydks
Caroline of the Church of the Seven-Pointed Star
Xaver Daffed
Martin Lake
Marmey Gort
Henry Hoegbotton
Richard Peterson
Ibonof Ibonof
Stretcher Jones
Amir al-Mu'minin
Abu Bakr
Al-Zubayr
Abd-ar-Rahman III
Mary Sabom
Samuel Tonsure
Kretchen, the Gray Cap Hunter
Kristina of Malfour, the Lepper Saint
Alfred Kubin
James Laconde
the Doppelganger
King Squid
George Leopran
Roger Mandible
Red Martigan
Masouf
Saint Philip the Philanderer
Maximillian Sharp
William Simpkin
Sirin
Jonathan Merrimount
Ok Duncan, Janice and the Doppelganger are mentioned in the list of potential names to be used!
So are you thinking that if someone role is Duncan Shriek, they may have a different name for the CF when they are killed?
names arent given in the CF for infected people or anyone who CFs as infected, includin both DGs and both Sheirks...
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ok, Lio is trying really, really hard to cast aspersions on gam's reveal when most people havent had trouble believin it. Lio isnt even just saying hes cautious but sounds to me like he doesnt believe gam adn wants to convince the rest of us that gam is lying.
that makes me very very suspicious of lio, trying really hard to get gam lynched or killed. I doubt hed do something that crazy if he was DG but i definitely think he could be an inf hopin to get rid of the Sheriks and win as an inf or be the DGv2
that makes me very very suspicious of lio, trying really hard to get gam lynched or killed. I doubt hed do something that crazy if he was DG but i definitely think he could be an inf hopin to get rid of the Sheriks and win as an inf or be the DGv2
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:38 PM
Galain, on Jun 26 2009, 08:24 PM, said:
Eloth said:
What extra information? It's standard practice that the cult isnt told if they lose a member and for the second recruiter not to be told who all of the recruits are. You acknowledge Gamelon has confirmed that I'm not the DG, and then still keep saying you think that's who you think I am. I think I've been pretty logical and I've explained exactly why I think the game works the way it does and it looks like you've pretty much ignored what I said.
While your WCS is technically possible, it doubt it's the case. It's just way to risky for a plain infected to fake without earning too much reward, and if it's a killer turned symp then Duncan's sister is sure to reveal.
While your WCS is technically possible, it doubt it's the case. It's just way to risky for a plain infected to fake without earning too much reward, and if it's a killer turned symp then Duncan's sister is sure to reveal.
Not sure why we're thinking standard mechanics when you just established scum or the DG may have 'weird' abilities like in alt's game. Probably safe to make the assumption but I wouldn't rule it out. The cult is not that powerful since they don't know their master, so it almost makes sense that the second recruiter would get to learn of the previous recruits.
Like I said, with the ability to compel the second recruiter has a way to determine who is infected. There always has to be some sort of confusion as to who is who with the cult, else they are just way too powerful. Still he makes a good point, as do you. I was just a little pissed off when I wrote that, since it seemed like he'd ignored everything I'd said except the bit that he could use to make me look scummy. It's not the first time I've tried to clarify myself to him and I dont get why he has such a hard-on for me. I will definitely be looking at him tomorrow when I have a bit more time.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:39 PM
I just looked back at the last beginning of day scene, fuck I hate to do this but Duncan is Gamelon.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:40 PM
Yeah but compel is very dangerous. You'd have to really carefully choose a person that is already likely to get votes, especially because if we LYNCH an infected, we are probably going to assume we have a new DG the next day cycle and will be watching to see if there's any indication he knows his recruits or is trying to find them.
Anyway, both points are worth keeping in mind.
Anyway, both points are worth keeping in mind.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:42 PM
Thyrllan, on Jun 26 2009, 08:34 PM, said:
Hood's Path, on Jun 26 2009, 08:28 PM, said:
Liosan, on Jun 26 2009, 10:07 AM, said:
Liosan has arrived!
And WTF reveal? I guess you're likely to survive for at least a few nights since it looks like the DG only has one recruit, but it seems a bit risky to me. Does provide some useful info, though, since Eloth was my number 1 choice for the DG. Back to the drawing board on that one...
Grr, no, but I can't help but be suspicious of the reveal. What if Game is the DG's infected? If he does die, he'll CF as infected either way and we'll never know if he was telling the truth. He might be trying to clear people who he suspects actually are the DG (Eloth), or there's even a chance that he vigged Duncan last night and now knows who the DG is. He could also be trying to get Duncan (or his sister if Duncan's already dead) to counter-reveal and get him/her killed, too.
I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.
And WTF reveal? I guess you're likely to survive for at least a few nights since it looks like the DG only has one recruit, but it seems a bit risky to me. Does provide some useful info, though, since Eloth was my number 1 choice for the DG. Back to the drawing board on that one...
Grr, no, but I can't help but be suspicious of the reveal. What if Game is the DG's infected? If he does die, he'll CF as infected either way and we'll never know if he was telling the truth. He might be trying to clear people who he suspects actually are the DG (Eloth), or there's even a chance that he vigged Duncan last night and now knows who the DG is. He could also be trying to get Duncan (or his sister if Duncan's already dead) to counter-reveal and get him/her killed, too.
I'd say WCS is that Game is one of two killers and he killed Duncan last night and is now a symp of the DG. The killers then agreed to then get his sister to reveal so they can kill her and infect/symp the other killer, thus joining the scum into one communicating all-powerful force with coordinated killing and infecting powers that will crush us all. It might not be likely, but it sure-as-fuck is scary and I don't think we can necessarily take Game's reveal as holy truth. After that monastery game, I'm especially suspicious of people who reveal and then disappear for long periods of time.
Just to point you to something it the list of possible player names used for this game:
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List of names that may or may not be present in game
List of names
Michael Abrasis
Dunacan Shriek
Janice Shriek
Frederick Madnok
Living saint of
- the Order of Ejaculation
- the Order of Flatulence
- the Order of Urination
- the order of Defecation
Voss Bender
Maxwell Bibble
Heckira Blgkkydks
Caroline of the Church of the Seven-Pointed Star
Xaver Daffed
Martin Lake
Marmey Gort
Henry Hoegbotton
Richard Peterson
Ibonof Ibonof
Stretcher Jones
Amir al-Mu'minin
Abu Bakr
Al-Zubayr
Abd-ar-Rahman III
Mary Sabom
Samuel Tonsure
Kretchen, the Gray Cap Hunter
Kristina of Malfour, the Lepper Saint
Alfred Kubin
James Laconde
the Doppelganger
King Squid
George Leopran
Roger Mandible
Red Martigan
Masouf
Saint Philip the Philanderer
Maximillian Sharp
William Simpkin
Sirin
Jonathan Merrimount
List of names
Michael Abrasis
Dunacan Shriek
Janice Shriek
Frederick Madnok
Living saint of
- the Order of Ejaculation
- the Order of Flatulence
- the Order of Urination
- the order of Defecation
Voss Bender
Maxwell Bibble
Heckira Blgkkydks
Caroline of the Church of the Seven-Pointed Star
Xaver Daffed
Martin Lake
Marmey Gort
Henry Hoegbotton
Richard Peterson
Ibonof Ibonof
Stretcher Jones
Amir al-Mu'minin
Abu Bakr
Al-Zubayr
Abd-ar-Rahman III
Mary Sabom
Samuel Tonsure
Kretchen, the Gray Cap Hunter
Kristina of Malfour, the Lepper Saint
Alfred Kubin
James Laconde
the Doppelganger
King Squid
George Leopran
Roger Mandible
Red Martigan
Masouf
Saint Philip the Philanderer
Maximillian Sharp
William Simpkin
Sirin
Jonathan Merrimount
Ok Duncan, Janice and the Doppelganger are mentioned in the list of potential names to be used!
So are you thinking that if someone role is Duncan Shriek, they may have a different name for the CF when they are killed?
names arent given in the CF for infected people or anyone who CFs as infected, includin both DGs and both Sheirks...
Did half the players just not bother to read the rules? It was very clear how the CFs of the infected would work, and PS clarified more when they decided to include character names. This is like the 10th time someone has been confused about something that was quite clearly laid out.
