[Tapper]

The number of mistakes that actually result in scum lynches, drunken ramblings aside, is next to zero (but pegging is a different story).
So, while there is a case to make that people shouldn't be lynched for breaking the cardinal rules, they still get lynched. It's a circular argument for the why, and below (my own example) is a side effect where the cardinal rule was not obeyed and town lost due to it.

The cardinal rules of mafia are, somehow, cardinal not because they are so horrible noobish by themselves but because they invariably cast the person making said mistake in a bad light for the remainder of the game, sometimes with reason.
Basically, you hand people a stick they will continue to beat you with, adding it to every half decent case they make against you, and since at some point, it will stick to you in people's minds, they'll become uneasy and they'll have to lynch you, and so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Moreover, the more something is said and the longer you wear the label, the more ugly it becomes in people's minds. Day 1 and 2 mistakes have a long time to fester in games lasting 10 game days, and at times, it is simply very inconvenient to lynch someone at a critical moment just because you can't be sure he's clean thanks to a day 1 or 2 fuck up.

To save everyone the time, especially on day 1, town just lynches you straight away when you break the rule.

For examples where cardinal mistakes do break the game, see Ment's coin toss on whether or not to hammer and my day 1 scum rp (the game where Venge was symp for Dibs and collected his current signature). I was on fire in that game, spotted scum mistakes and still got railroaded by dibs because I less credibility than him thanks to day 1 rp

I maintain I did nothing wrong there apart from making a bit of innocent page 1 fun, but I gave dibs a label to put on me and he used people's unease over me breaking the cardinal rules, despite me giving the town two cases on scum, so that when I finally spotted that he was behaving scummy, he just laughed it away as black/whiting by someone tarred with the scum brush already and escaped to win the game. The simple fact was that he was clean and I wasn't entirely. That works against you.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 24 June 2009 - 07:24 AM

[Path-Shaper]

aye, don't you just love this game

[Path-Shaper]

And DiBs makes me all warm and fuzzy inside

Emurlahn, on Jun 24 2009, 07:24 AM, said:

Barghast, on Jun 24 2009, 08:15 AM, said:

That sounds like an omgus case.

What's the difference between making a case and saying something sounds scummy? Scum summarize, not push people, and you seem to be adverse to being pushed. Sure, I didn't vote for you, because it's just a preliminary look (which, given your number of posts is all I can do really).

As for my vote on Rashan, long-story-short I don't believe him. That's not likely to change through more discussion over the next several hours, because Rashan has yet to present anything believable despite several tries.

Sounds like or is? and you just complained about being called a noob? its not that i dont enjoy being pushed, its that i enjoy pushing back. Whats wrong with my post count? I havent been writing lots of nonesense about dragon sex or fucking porno disney so i am not saying enough?

Your vote on rashan stinks as the day has just begun and you are putting him in a position where he is the only viable lynch. We are ina game where someone can make the infected vote a specific way or risk losing them and your immeadiate course of actuion is to choose yesterdays left overs? Not only is it the easy lynch its the lazy one and if we are looking to catch out the infected or the dg by a lynch this is our best shot.

[Malaese]

I hear you, but it's a bad habit for town to get into consensus based lynching. It lessens the information you get from the train and the people pushing the case. Galain probably won't pick up any heat for pushing the case because it's nothing more than a speed lynch on a "cardinal" rule break. Town really shouldn't let that happen.

[Tapper]

Path-Shaper, on Jun 24 2009, 09:44 AM, said:

aye, don't you just love this game

I do. Believe me, my current absence is entirely forced, not voluntary.

[Path-Shaper]

diBs said:

now if bargie is who i think he is, they should have taken my subtle points that

i knew all the scum where ont he first train

i called him scum yet voted some one else

and that i even said on thread about a symp ina veiled threat.

coupled with my day one avoidance.

my talk about being a ninja.

and the fact i proactically revealed symp!!

HE SHOULD HAVE GOT THE MESSAGE!!!

subtle points you say? I haven't seen much of that from you

It's still nice to see you come in and introduce some sanity to the thread mind you

[Path-Shaper]

Malaese, on Jun 24 2009, 07:45 AM, said:

I hear you, but it's a bad habit for town to get into consensus based lynching. It lessens the information you get from the train and the people pushing the case. Galain probably won't pick up any heat for pushing the case because it's nothing more than a speed lynch on a "cardinal" rule break. Town really shouldn't let that happen.

Oh I absolutely agree. But Galain is the symp, he's doing what he's supposed to do

[Path-Shaper]

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now if bargie is who i think he is, they should have taken my subtle points that

i knew all the scum where ont he first train

i called him scum yet voted some one else

and that i even said on thread about a symp ina veiled threat.

coupled with my day one avoidance.

my talk about being a ninja.

and the fact i proactically revealed symp!!

HE SHOULD HAVE GOT THE MESSAGE!!!

subtle points you say? I haven't seen much of that from you

It's still nice to see you come in and introduce some sanity to the thread mind you

i fucking hate speed lynching. even more so when one of the lynchers is my master. if driss joins i am gonna beg to get infected as soon as i am, ohh i just upgraded to finder and bargahst is first for, oh i found scum!!



and subtle was sarcastic. i am going to beat them round the head with it then ninja them if they even try to lynch me.

[Path-Shaper]

Eloth said:

If I managed to guard the DG, would I stop ALL of his gazillion NAs?

I think guarding is a little too risky this early, I would assume there are paired killers meaning until there's a killer or two down my guard wont affect them and I have a pretty good chance of stopping a roled inno. Obviously guarding the DG would be a huge help, but there's no way to tell if I did so successfully. So unless someone does something amazingly scummy I will be healing until there's a killer down. Hmm, now to figure out who to heal...

I must admit I hope he targets the DG or Shin, just for the hillarity

[Mentalist]

Hey, now Tapper.
innos still won the coin toss game.
so you can't say it was "game breaking", lol.

[Path-Shaper]

Are any of you guys going to write lynch scene today...

[Path-Shaper]

I'm at work for another few hours, pretty hectic here today as we got 500 new cases dumped in our laps..

I can pull it off this evning though, if there's still time then

[Path-Shaper]

Gamelon said:

Im contemplating revealing, i dont see why the killers will want me dead. They need me to de-posses and find the DG.

I dunno...im scared of getting NK'd by the killers by mistake.....maybe its not for me to reveal but rather for my lil sister if i get killed.

She's your older sister

[Path-Shaper]

Gamelon

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Im contemplating revealing, i dont see why the killers will want me dead. They need me to de-posses and find the DG.

I dunno...im scared of getting NK'd by the killers by mistake.....maybe its not for me to reveal but rather for my lil sister if i get killed.

She's your older sister tongue.gif

watever bitch.....shes smaller than me... like lil kim


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What do you call something smaller then a midget????

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on Jun 24 2009, 12:01 PM, said:

I'm at work for another few hours, pretty hectic here today as we got 500 new cases dumped in our laps..

I can pull it off this evning though, if there's still time then

Tisk tisk....

No worries I will see what I can whip up....

[Path-Shaper]

Ok so I have a little pickle to work through... Right now Kara is the default DG2 however according to his night action he wants to do a find on Silanah who is the King Squid which would kill Kara...So the default DG2 would then pass to D'riss.... Oh I love this pickle... :snigger:

[Path-Shaper]

Emudibs

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so how do you feel the game is going? not worrying anyone yet am i?

Well I think that the game is going pretty well. It is the opinion of the group that you have the subtly of a jackhammer at 1am on a monday morning...

But since we already knew that it isn't worrying anyone.


Vengeance

[Path-Shaper]

Some alt guesses from GLobdi

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I'm horrible at it, but:

Korlat = JA
Emur = Bent. I thought it was Veng who always called people dickbags, but maybe it was bent, idk. I'm horrible at it.

Horrible is right...

[Path-Shaper]

Emudibs

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so how do you feel the game is going? not worrying anyone yet am i?

Well I think that the game is going pretty well. It is the opinion of the group that you have the subtly of a jackhammer at 1am on a monday morning... tongue.gif

But since we already knew that it isn't worrying anyone.


Vengeance

sweet, i am trying to do my drinks is a c**t bit so he must be RI smile.gif

whiter than white vengey smile.gif whiter than white.

:snigger:

So are you still hoping that you get infected?

[Path-Shaper]

Globdi

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I'm horrible at it, but:

Korlat = JA
Emur = Bent. I thought it was Veng who always called people dickbags, but maybe it was bent, idk. I'm horrible at it.

Please I call people fuckers and what not. I also have a tendency to cross the lines of good taste in a heart beat..... tongue.gif

Vengeance

Well sir, I was talking with Emur about my legs being so hairy he thought i was wearing pants.

Cross the line? I think so!

Please I was talking about cars transforming into giant drill dildos and getting into a war over who can make Megan Fox cum harder.... Keep trying though... You'll get there eventually...