[Fener]

Korvalain, on Jun 9 2009, 05:47 PM, said:

Ok, I have to go now but I want to make this clear so it's not lost in the wash:

To summarize my case on Fener,

1) Fener on day 1 mentioned Korlat was doing a helpful 'hiding in plain site' type of play. (Hardly original or a stretch)
2) Fener jumped onto the Sil train saying that he was obsessed with cult and therefore cult. (Pats me on the back for spotting it)
3) On day 2 Fener upped the ante on Korlat by saying "quite confident" he has a power role. (Why suddenly so confident?)
4) After I first stated my case and voted, Fener then refutes my case by claiming he said Korlat was a power role on Day 1. (This is not true. His references to Korlat Day 1 and 'confidently' claiming power role on Day 2 are not the same thing)
5) He also attempts to cast Ersimmon (Kesso) as a plausible cult role. (Not impossible, but a bit of a stretch. If accepted as truth however, this would, conveniently, undermine my case)

Misc: By making a nebulous argument on Korlat on day 1 (hiding in plain site), WIFOM kicks in and says Fener could have made this argument to set up a track record of accusation of Korlat while actually planning on recruiting him that night. I.e. proper distancing. But, Carnival couldn't be recruited.

You're still not thinking this through. I suspected Korlat of being a power role. Sure it wasn't the strongest based of suspicions, but I would hardly have picked a person I suspected of being immune instead of someone I knew nothing about now would I? Would a cult risk such a thing. I don't think so.

[Rashan]

Fener, on Jun 9 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 9 2009, 05:42 PM, said:

Vote Fener

I only have one reason that I am doing this.

2 nights in a row you have been un-lynchable. If your not the leader of a faction that isn't mine, you have to be someone important enough for some to decide to keep you around. You are a distraction and ultimately you need to be removed. We can never know if we hit cult or not, but we can be pretty sure you are a leader, getting rid of you should help my and one other faction.

yes, well you've not made any attempts to hide your obsession here, but all right. I like how every day starts with people throwing votes out at me. It must be nice to hide behind this, isn't it?

I'm no more of a distraction than what you make me. You chose to be distracted by it because it serves your purpose to hide. My posts don't delete other posts. Posts focusing on me do not surpress other posts. This whole thing that my presence makes it impossible to talk about other things is a load of nonsense. It's a convenient excuse, and a way for you to continue hiding.

Dude, you were L-1 and no one hammered day 2, and yesterday you were L-4 and the train swung over to Kessobahn. Who had 2 votes at the time. The distraction is the fact that you seem to be un-lynchable, time to resolve that issue so we can move on. The sheer fact that you cant be lynched shows that you must be a leader. Not mine. Therefore you need to be lynched to help my faction. I don't need any reason other than that, so say I am obsessed all you want, facts are facts and the difficulty we have lynching you, tels me you are important to your faction. Theres nothing to argue. If you are a faction leader, then it would take 2 factions together to lynch you, while your team scrambles to save you.

[Rashan]

Bueler?



Bueler?




Bueler?

[Fener]

Rashan, on Jun 9 2009, 06:00 PM, said:

Fener, on Jun 9 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 9 2009, 05:42 PM, said:

Vote Fener

I only have one reason that I am doing this.

2 nights in a row you have been un-lynchable. If your not the leader of a faction that isn't mine, you have to be someone important enough for some to decide to keep you around. You are a distraction and ultimately you need to be removed. We can never know if we hit cult or not, but we can be pretty sure you are a leader, getting rid of you should help my and one other faction.

yes, well you've not made any attempts to hide your obsession here, but all right. I like how every day starts with people throwing votes out at me. It must be nice to hide behind this, isn't it?

I'm no more of a distraction than what you make me. You chose to be distracted by it because it serves your purpose to hide. My posts don't delete other posts. Posts focusing on me do not surpress other posts. This whole thing that my presence makes it impossible to talk about other things is a load of nonsense. It's a convenient excuse, and a way for you to continue hiding.

Dude, you were L-1 and no one hammered day 2, and yesterday you were L-4 and the train swung over to Kessobahn. Who had 2 votes at the time. The distraction is the fact that you seem to be un-lynchable, time to resolve that issue so we can move on. The sheer fact that you cant be lynched shows that you must be a leader. Not mine. Therefore you need to be lynched to help my faction. I don't need any reason other than that, so say I am obsessed all you want, facts are facts and the difficulty we have lynching you, tels me you are important to your faction. Theres nothing to argue. If you are a faction leader, then it would take 2 factions together to lynch you, while your team scrambles to save you.

Yes, impossible to lynch indeed. day 2 was a fuck up of inactivity and day 3 Kessobahn became a better option. Has it not occured to you that the only reason I'm a good target is because no one can be bothered looking elsewhere. When a better target turned up, people went there.

I find it somewhat odd that you can afford to go so focused on me, not deigning to notice anyone else in this game. How is it that you can afford that, hm?

[Fener]

Rashan, on Jun 9 2009, 06:17 PM, said:

Bueler?



Bueler?




Bueler?

what the hell?

[Rashan]

Fener, on Jun 9 2009, 12:21 PM, said:

Yes, impossible to lynch indeed. day 2 was a fuck up of inactivity and day 3 Kessobahn became a better option. Has it not occured to you that the only reason I'm a good target is because no one can be bothered looking elsewhere. When a better target turned up, people went there.

I find it somewhat odd that you can afford to go so focused on me, not deigning to notice anyone else in this game. How is it that you can afford that, hm?

Why couldn't i afford to try and get you lynched, you revealed your faction, I know your not on my team, and based on the difficulties to get you lynced, I surmise you must be the leader of that faction, else your team would throw you to the wolves.

And the Bueler thing was based on a movie, Ferris Buellers day off, grow a sense of humor.

[Liosan]

Hey alll, checking in briefly. I've got to dissapear soon, going for my convocation, which is tomorrow. bringing my laptop though, so i should be able to get on in the evening.

Good job to whomever nailed Carnival, she's gotta be a killing power of some sort.

I'm not far enough in the book to encounter Cohl's Shades yet, so can't say much about those.

I'll voice my suspcion once again--the Cult's gotta be the Spine. in Iron angel, as Korlat mentioned, they go completely mental and start to "temper" everyione--and "tempering" means "torture them till they become kiling machines like us"
and that just SCREAMS "cult" to me.

now provided, Fener's Heshette story checks out, that'd mean we've been looking in completely the wrong direction for the cult all this time.

anyhow, I must go now. back in the evening.

[Path-Shaper]

On my phone watching....

Just in case you all thought that one of us wasn't around.


Vengeance

[Tennes]

Fener, on Jun 9 2009, 09:32 AM, said:

Tennes, on Jun 9 2009, 05:15 PM, said:

I don't like this obsessed speculation of what happens in the books - we can't know how much of the theme follows the books at all.

half a page hardly strikes me as an obsession.

Granted it just now started to be obsessive, but it has gone on for quite some time. Is it just me or is this trust in someone that supposedly knows what happens in the books dangerous? For anyone that haven't read the books it's hard to check anything you say for instance. You would believe that the few people having read the books would be honest about what is going on, but first, some stuff might be subjective and secondly, some stuff might not be applicable to this game at all.

Anything beyond the general structure of the characters I think should be considered non-info. That's what I mean by obsessing.


Edit: forgot a word

This post has been edited by Tennes: 09 June 2009 - 05:41 PM

[Gamelon]

Rashan, on Jun 9 2009, 12:32 PM, said:

Fener, on Jun 9 2009, 12:21 PM, said:

Yes, impossible to lynch indeed. day 2 was a fuck up of inactivity and day 3 Kessobahn became a better option. Has it not occured to you that the only reason I'm a good target is because no one can be bothered looking elsewhere. When a better target turned up, people went there.

I find it somewhat odd that you can afford to go so focused on me, not deigning to notice anyone else in this game. How is it that you can afford that, hm?

Why couldn't i afford to try and get you lynched, you revealed your faction, I know your not on my team, and based on the difficulties to get you lynced, I surmise you must be the leader of that faction, else your team would throw you to the wolves.

And the Bueler thing was based on a movie, Ferris Buellers day off, grow a sense of humor.

So you're essentially anchoring your case on:
1.) Fener revealed as Heshette Tribesman, which you don't think is in your faction (how can you be so sure?)
2.) Fener hasn't been lynched yet, when the first time was over a dead weekend and the second was when a more plausible target arose?

Seems a little...insubstantial to me. Tunnel vision = bad.

[Ruse]

@Korv - I didn't like my drive by either, but RL happens and I had no time to post anything more. I had explained my reasons the night before and knew I wouldn't be back before day timed out. The Korlat vote wasn't going anywhere, but from what people who know the books are saying, Carnival looks like bad news, so that's good.

On to other things. Much to my dismay (believe me I would love a solid reason to lynch him, his bossiness gets right up my nose) I believe Fener's reveal, which means my only other reason to vote for him, at this time, is that he might have been recruited. That could very well be true, but I still find it unlikely - he was still up for a lynch, so why would the recruiter risk it? We seem to be assuming that only ineffectual roles can be recruited, but we don't know that for sure, so why waste time recruiting someone that could be lynched the next day? That said, I don't have any other ideas at the moment and if nothing else comes up I will be glad of an excuse to get rid . I hope to have more time in about 2 - 3 hours and I will have another read through then.

Edit: Cross post

This post has been edited by Ruse: 09 June 2009 - 05:42 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 31 hours and 57 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Rashan, Ruse, Telas, Tennes

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

1 vote for Fener: ( Korvalain )

Players not voted: D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Liosan, Meanas, Rashan, Ruse, Telas, Tennes

[Tennes]

I'm pretty sure you got the count wrong, PS.

[Path-Shaper]

Tennes, on Jun 9 2009, 05:58 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure you got the count wrong, PS.

The time count or the vote count....The vote I might have....The time is the time.... Everything is being ran though the Manager....

[Gamelon]

Ok Tennes this is getting annoying. You have almost no posts, suggesting you're coasting, and since you've come back you've made 3-4 posts that do nothing but complain about how we're trying to read into character names for ideas about potential allegiances. Absolutely nothing regarding the game itself.

I'm out for a bit...I'll drop a vote to put some pressure until he actually contributes something.

vote Tennes

[Rashan]

Gamelon, on Jun 9 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 9 2009, 12:32 PM, said:

Fener, on Jun 9 2009, 12:21 PM, said:

Yes, impossible to lynch indeed. day 2 was a fuck up of inactivity and day 3 Kessobahn became a better option. Has it not occured to you that the only reason I'm a good target is because no one can be bothered looking elsewhere. When a better target turned up, people went there.

I find it somewhat odd that you can afford to go so focused on me, not deigning to notice anyone else in this game. How is it that you can afford that, hm?

Why couldn't i afford to try and get you lynched, you revealed your faction, I know your not on my team, and based on the difficulties to get you lynced, I surmise you must be the leader of that faction, else your team would throw you to the wolves.

And the Bueler thing was based on a movie, Ferris Buellers day off, grow a sense of humor.

So you're essentially anchoring your case on:
1.) Fener revealed as Heshette Tribesman, which you don't think is in your faction (how can you be so sure?)
2.) Fener hasn't been lynched yet, when the first time was over a dead weekend and the second was when a more plausible target arose?

Seems a little...insubstantial to me. Tunnel vision = bad.

1. Read the post Game, I am assuming he is the leader of a faction. He is not my leader, so hes not in my faction
2. No way you seriously think its a coincidence that no one hammered Fener and he survived, and the train switched and he survived, and look, now that he has more votes again, people are still unsure. Bullshit, its not tunnel vision to assume the person you try ro lynch and doesn't die is important to his faction. And the only way they would know that was if he was their leader.

Im going to go back and see who started the train down the path away from Fener yesterday, back in a minute

[Rashan]

Path-Shaper, on Jun 9 2009, 02:03 PM, said:

Tennes, on Jun 9 2009, 05:58 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure you got the count wrong, PS.

The time count or the vote count....The vote I might have....The time is the time.... Everything is being ran though the Manager....

You forgot Im voting for Fener PS

[Path-Shaper]

Thanks...

It is Day 4. 31 hours and 46 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Rashan, Ruse, Telas, Tennes

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

1 vote for Tennes: ( Gamelon )
2 votes for Fener: ( Korvalain, Rashan )

Players not voted: D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Hood's Path, Liosan, Meanas, Ruse, Telas, Tennes

Should be all up to date now...

[Tennes]

Gamelon, on Jun 9 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

Ok Tennes this is getting annoying. You have almost no posts, suggesting you're coasting, and since you've come back you've made 3-4 posts that do nothing but complain about how we're trying to read into character names for ideas about potential allegiances. Absolutely nothing regarding the game itself.

I'm out for a bit...I'll drop a vote to put some pressure until he actually contributes something.

vote Tennes

Haha, can you be more obvious?

Hey, I'm finally able to be on and comment on your crazy stuff, and now I'm suddenly coasting - that's just nice, real nice. I had an opinion on the book obsession, and Fener asked about it, and I clarified. You can't seriously mean that is complaining - it's called playing the game, in case you forgot.

I still think it's dangerous to believe anything anyone says about the books implicitly, unless you can read it yourself. I'd chalk down the incessant book discussion to spam, if I wasn't afraid you'd smack me in the face. Oooh, I'm sooo scaaared.

[Tennes]

Pardon me I forgot:

vote Fener