[Korvalain]

Ok, NO CLUES IN THE SCENES and all that, but I think if Tellan aka Duncan Jones was "armed with a grey sword" then this might mean he was a Cohl's Shades mercenary.

Quote

Cohl's Shades
A group of mercenaries who kill each other in order to reach the top spots. Come in variations: white Swords, black Swords, and grey Swords, according to weapon shade. The White and Black Swords, in use as titles, are the highest ranking members.

(quote is from PS back near the beginning)

And grey sword would suggest, not a top ranker.

[Korvalain]

So,

2 of our 3 lynch targets are gone. The remaining one, Fener looks mightily suspicious as a result of this.

Someone (D'riss?) mentioned the mechanic where the cult couldn't recruit 'power roles', only lesser roles. Fener gave off a strong opinion that Korlat was a power role, saying the following back on Day 2:

Fener, on Jun 6 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

*snort*, that makes no sense in a merc game, Ruse.

No, I'd say my favoured target for today's lynch is Korlat as I'm quite confident he's got a power role, and I'd rather not have those around

This might mean Fener actually DID know Korlat was a power role - because he tried to recruit him on the first night and failed.
Fener's reveal was as a nobody, and he picked a tribal name that, being a distinct group from the books, is likely a faction which actually exists. That team will then think "oh, he's one of the unknown members of our faction". Anyone not of that faction will think "that's plausible".

Vote Fener

[Meanas]

Well, it sounds like we've definitely hit a power role with Carnival, good going guys. Seems I was right to be going after Korlat yesterday, huh?

Down to business today, and when I've got time I'll do a reread of a few people, see if I can unearth anything. Got a busy day at work though, so that might have to wait until this evening for that.

I'm less reticent about voting for Fener now, because given the developments of yesterday I think the cult would probably be more likely to take an interest - people were far more cautious about voting for him. Still, figure I'd better check everyone else out, don't want to get too tunnelvisioned.

[Fener]

All right, both Ersimmin and Duncan Jones are members of Coll's Shades..

Ersimmin was hired by King Menoa to protect a train in book two whereas Duncan Jones was hired by Rys, the god of flowers and knives to sabotage the same.

So technically Ersimmin could actually be cult, though again it depends on how much weight we should put to the names in the first place

[Fener]

Korvalain, on Jun 9 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

So,

2 of our 3 lynch targets are gone. The remaining one, Fener looks mightily suspicious as a result of this.

Someone (D'riss?) mentioned the mechanic where the cult couldn't recruit 'power roles', only lesser roles. Fener gave off a strong opinion that Korlat was a power role, saying the following back on Day 2:

Fener, on Jun 6 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

*snort*, that makes no sense in a merc game, Ruse.

No, I'd say my favoured target for today's lynch is Korlat as I'm quite confident he's got a power role, and I'd rather not have those around

This might mean Fener actually DID know Korlat was a power role - because he tried to recruit him on the first night and failed.
Fener's reveal was as a nobody, and he picked a tribal name that, being a distinct group from the books, is likely a faction which actually exists. That team will then think "oh, he's one of the unknown members of our faction". Anyone not of that faction will think "that's plausible".

Vote Fener

Urm, unless you assume the cult could recruit before day 1, that doesn't make much sense as I argued Korlat to be a good candidate for a power role on day 1. If I was the recruiter why then would I risk trying to recruit someone I suspected of being immune?

[Korvalain]

Fener, on Jun 9 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

All right, both Ersimmin and Duncan Jones are members of Coll's Shades..

Ersimmin was hired by King Menoa to protect a train in book two whereas Duncan Jones was hired by Rys, the god of flowers and knives to sabotage the same.

So technically Ersimmin could actually be cult, though again it depends on how much weight we should put to the names in the first place

A mercenary hired to protect a train could technically be a cult? How do you figure?

Recruited to become one perhaps, but that's not what you make it sound like.

[Fener]

Korvalain, on Jun 9 2009, 05:05 PM, said:

Fener, on Jun 9 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

All right, both Ersimmin and Duncan Jones are members of Coll's Shades..

Ersimmin was hired by King Menoa to protect a train in book two whereas Duncan Jones was hired by Rys, the god of flowers and knives to sabotage the same.

So technically Ersimmin could actually be cult, though again it depends on how much weight we should put to the names in the first place

A mercenary hired to protect a train could technically be a cult? How do you figure?

Recruited to become one perhaps, but that's not what you make it sound like.

Well, the hell faction seems the most likely cult faction as they kill people and then recruit their souls as soldiers, molding them into weapons, monsters, war machines and so on. Ersimmin was hired by the hell faction to protect their interests, so technically he could be a part of that faction. However, it's not certain by a long shot, I was just theorizing.

[Korvalain]

Fener, on Jun 9 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

Korvalain, on Jun 9 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

So,

2 of our 3 lynch targets are gone. The remaining one, Fener looks mightily suspicious as a result of this.

Someone (D'riss?) mentioned the mechanic where the cult couldn't recruit 'power roles', only lesser roles. Fener gave off a strong opinion that Korlat was a power role, saying the following back on Day 2:

Fener, on Jun 6 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

*snort*, that makes no sense in a merc game, Ruse.

No, I'd say my favoured target for today's lynch is Korlat as I'm quite confident he's got a power role, and I'd rather not have those around

This might mean Fener actually DID know Korlat was a power role - because he tried to recruit him on the first night and failed.
Fener's reveal was as a nobody, and he picked a tribal name that, being a distinct group from the books, is likely a faction which actually exists. That team will then think "oh, he's one of the unknown members of our faction". Anyone not of that faction will think "that's plausible".

Vote Fener

Urm, unless you assume the cult could recruit before day 1, that doesn't make much sense as I argued Korlat to be a good candidate for a power role on day 1. If I was the recruiter why then would I risk trying to recruit someone I suspected of being immune?

Sorry, nice try. You first referred to Korlat as a power role on Day 2, after Sil had been lynched. Don't you remember - on day one you were all happy that I'd found you the king of hell (Sil), and immediately began pushing the idea that Sil was obsessed with the cult role, so was therefore cult.

[Fener]

and how the hell can I be the only one to have read this series? It's quite an interesting trilogy

[Tennes]

Wow this game is getting wackier by the second - suddenly 2 nk's.

[Fener]

Korvalain, on Jun 9 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

Fener, on Jun 9 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

Korvalain, on Jun 9 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

So,

2 of our 3 lynch targets are gone. The remaining one, Fener looks mightily suspicious as a result of this.

Someone (D'riss?) mentioned the mechanic where the cult couldn't recruit 'power roles', only lesser roles. Fener gave off a strong opinion that Korlat was a power role, saying the following back on Day 2:

Fener, on Jun 6 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

*snort*, that makes no sense in a merc game, Ruse.

No, I'd say my favoured target for today's lynch is Korlat as I'm quite confident he's got a power role, and I'd rather not have those around

This might mean Fener actually DID know Korlat was a power role - because he tried to recruit him on the first night and failed.
Fener's reveal was as a nobody, and he picked a tribal name that, being a distinct group from the books, is likely a faction which actually exists. That team will then think "oh, he's one of the unknown members of our faction". Anyone not of that faction will think "that's plausible".

Vote Fener

Urm, unless you assume the cult could recruit before day 1, that doesn't make much sense as I argued Korlat to be a good candidate for a power role on day 1. If I was the recruiter why then would I risk trying to recruit someone I suspected of being immune?

Sorry, nice try. You first referred to Korlat as a power role on Day 2, after Sil had been lynched. Don't you remember - on day one you were all happy that I'd found you the king of hell (Sil), and immediately began pushing the idea that Sil was obsessed with the cult role, so was therefore cult.

This only works if you assume I'm incapable of keeping more than one thought in my head at a time. I did push the Sil lynch because I saw it to be the best for the day, but I also pointed to Korlat's style of play as something that would fit a power role.

[Korvalain]

@ Fener, where do you mention Korlat on day 1? I just went through your posts and didn't see it. The post I quoted was your first suggestion that Korlat was a power role, and that was DAY TWO.

Edited to add:

You DO mention Korlat in a wishy washy "hiding in plain site" argument. But that's different than being certain he's a power role.

This post has been edited by Korvalain: 09 June 2009 - 03:15 PM

[Tennes]

I don't like this obsessed speculation of what happens in the books - we can't know how much of the theme follows the books at all.

[Fener]

Korvalain, on Jun 9 2009, 05:13 PM, said:

@ Fener, where do you mention Korlat on day 1? I just went through your posts and didn't see it. The post I quoted was your first suggestion that Korlat was a power role, and that was DAY TWO.

Edited to add:

You DO mention Korlat in a wishy washy "hiding in plain site" argument. But that's different than being certain he's a power role.

not really. A weak role would have no need to do that. It's the actions of a power role, or a killer which is more the general rule. I didn't elaborate because I thought it was self explanatory, but then I guess I shouldn't expect people to read minds.

[Fener]

Tennes, on Jun 9 2009, 05:15 PM, said:

I don't like this obsessed speculation of what happens in the books - we can't know how much of the theme follows the books at all.

half a page hardly strikes me as an obsession.

[Rashan]

Vote Fener

I only have one reason that I am doing this.

2 nights in a row you have been un-lynchable. If your not the leader of a faction that isn't mine, you have to be someone important enough for some to decide to keep you around. You are a distraction and ultimately you need to be removed. We can never know if we hit cult or not, but we can be pretty sure you are a leader, getting rid of you should help my and one other faction.

[Korvalain]

Ok, I have to go now but I want to make this clear so it's not lost in the wash:

To summarize my case on Fener,

1) Fener on day 1 mentioned Korlat was doing a helpful 'hiding in plain site' type of play. (Hardly original or a stretch)
2) Fener jumped onto the Sil train saying that he was obsessed with cult and therefore cult. (Pats me on the back for spotting it)
3) On day 2 Fener upped the ante on Korlat by saying "quite confident" he has a power role. (Why suddenly so confident?)
4) After I first stated my case and voted, Fener then refutes my case by claiming he said Korlat was a power role on Day 1. (This is not true. His references to Korlat Day 1 and 'confidently' claiming power role on Day 2 are not the same thing)
5) He also attempts to cast Ersimmon (Kesso) as a plausible cult role. (Not impossible, but a bit of a stretch. If accepted as truth however, this would, conveniently, undermine my case)

Misc: By making a nebulous argument on Korlat on day 1 (hiding in plain site), WIFOM kicks in and says Fener could have made this argument to set up a track record of accusation of Korlat while actually planning on recruiting him that night. I.e. proper distancing. But, Carnival couldn't be recruited.

[Korvalain]

Fener, on Jun 9 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

Korvalain, on Jun 9 2009, 05:13 PM, said:

@ Fener, where do you mention Korlat on day 1? I just went through your posts and didn't see it. The post I quoted was your first suggestion that Korlat was a power role, and that was DAY TWO.

Edited to add:

You DO mention Korlat in a wishy washy "hiding in plain site" argument. But that's different than being certain he's a power role.

not really. A weak role would have no need to do that. It's the actions of a power role, or a killer which is more the general rule. I didn't elaborate because I thought it was self explanatory, but then I guess I shouldn't expect people to read minds.

It was already pointed out that Shin in the vampire game was inno and just being helpful. Hiding in plain site doesn't mean anything really, it's just speculation on how a power role might decide to play the game. Others would say that a power role would be playing like Tennes, hiding from the action in order to go unnoticed. Again, speculation of this nature and "confident he's a power role" are not the same thing.

[Fener]

Rashan, on Jun 9 2009, 05:42 PM, said:

Vote Fener

I only have one reason that I am doing this.

2 nights in a row you have been un-lynchable. If your not the leader of a faction that isn't mine, you have to be someone important enough for some to decide to keep you around. You are a distraction and ultimately you need to be removed. We can never know if we hit cult or not, but we can be pretty sure you are a leader, getting rid of you should help my and one other faction.

yes, well you've not made any attempts to hide your obsession here, but all right. I like how every day starts with people throwing votes out at me. It must be nice to hide behind this, isn't it?

I'm no more of a distraction than what you make me. You chose to be distracted by it because it serves your purpose to hide. My posts don't delete other posts. Posts focusing on me do not surpress other posts. This whole thing that my presence makes it impossible to talk about other things is a load of nonsense. It's a convenient excuse, and a way for you to continue hiding.

[Fener]

Korvalain, on Jun 9 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

Fener, on Jun 9 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

Korvalain, on Jun 9 2009, 05:13 PM, said:

@ Fener, where do you mention Korlat on day 1? I just went through your posts and didn't see it. The post I quoted was your first suggestion that Korlat was a power role, and that was DAY TWO.

Edited to add:

You DO mention Korlat in a wishy washy "hiding in plain site" argument. But that's different than being certain he's a power role.

not really. A weak role would have no need to do that. It's the actions of a power role, or a killer which is more the general rule. I didn't elaborate because I thought it was self explanatory, but then I guess I shouldn't expect people to read minds.

It was already pointed out that Shin in the vampire game was inno and just being helpful. Hiding in plain site doesn't mean anything really, it's just speculation on how a power role might decide to play the game. Others would say that a power role would be playing like Tennes, hiding from the action in order to go unnoticed. Again, speculation of this nature and "confident he's a power role" are not the same thing.

heh, you don't know me very well do you