[Korlat]

Hood's Path, on Jun 8 2009, 11:39 AM, said:

The case on korlat is that he has a power role?
That alone is not enough for me...i need to figure out if he is on my team fist and for most...then ill consider lynching him.
ESPECIALLY if people think he has a power role! last thing a person wants to do is lynch his own teams power role heh?

I still don't know what the foundation of this argument is... apparently power roles post summaries, thus I am a power role? That's the only basis to this argument I could find and it's not very valid, I've definitely done summaries as an RI in the past and I'm not the only one at that.

D'riss, on Jun 8 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

Ok, seems not much happened over the weekend. My apologies for not being around, the power was out here for most of the day yesterday. Anyway, if we take Fener's reveal at face value, it means we should be looking somewhere else for the cult. My only concern is that if the cult can only recruit powerless players (which has happened in the past) the someone who has effectively claimed 'RI' would likely be a prime target for recruitment. Obviously we should discuss things and weigh our options, but it's worth keeping in mind. First prize would obviously be the recruiter.

I didnt like Korlat's comment about how he expects to be killed so that he can no longer share book info. While he has been useful, this is a merc game and it's dangerous to start thinking that we 'need' a player around, which is what he's insinuating.

If Fener's reveal is genuine, then it means he is not the cult recruiter, but that doesn't mean his faction is not the cult. Sil being Jack means this includes book 2, and book 2 has lots of people leaving Deepgate and heading out into the lands surrounding the abyss. Would be very plausible for the Heshites to be recruiting Deepgaters into the tribes.

As for that bit on me, that was just to refute Fener's arguments of me being useless. I'm not saying it's a complete flip and that I'm integral, I'm just saying that I have been contributing to the game. If I wanted to be completely necessary, than I would have kept all that info to myself and doled it out a wee bit at a time. I'm not doing that because <A> I want my team to have this info, and <B> I don't want this game to proceed at a snail's pace for lack of info (it is anyway, but not for that reason).

Of course I kept back a little bit of info, no sense in becoming completely obsolete...

D'riss, on Jun 8 2009, 12:56 PM, said:

Well, we're not even sure what faction Sil was in, other than being reasonably sure he wasnt cult - so his CF doesnt actually give us that much either. You'd also think that now the second priority for lynches would be whoever was on Sil's team - there's a reason Merc games always turn into a faction hunt. In which case going after his recommended lynch target is the worst place to start.

So, D'riss you think we should now try and lynch off the rest of Sil's team and ignore the cult while it goes about recruiting every night?!

[D'riss]

Korlat, on Jun 8 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 8 2009, 11:39 AM, said:

The case on korlat is that he has a power role?
That alone is not enough for me...i need to figure out if he is on my team fist and for most...then ill consider lynching him.
ESPECIALLY if people think he has a power role! last thing a person wants to do is lynch his own teams power role heh?

I still don't know what the foundation of this argument is... apparently power roles post summaries, thus I am a power role? That's the only basis to this argument I could find and it's not very valid, I've definitely done summaries as an RI in the past and I'm not the only one at that.

D'riss, on Jun 8 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

Ok, seems not much happened over the weekend. My apologies for not being around, the power was out here for most of the day yesterday. Anyway, if we take Fener's reveal at face value, it means we should be looking somewhere else for the cult. My only concern is that if the cult can only recruit powerless players (which has happened in the past) the someone who has effectively claimed 'RI' would likely be a prime target for recruitment. Obviously we should discuss things and weigh our options, but it's worth keeping in mind. First prize would obviously be the recruiter.

I didnt like Korlat's comment about how he expects to be killed so that he can no longer share book info. While he has been useful, this is a merc game and it's dangerous to start thinking that we 'need' a player around, which is what he's insinuating.

If Fener's reveal is genuine, then it means he is not the cult recruiter, but that doesn't mean his faction is not the cult. Sil being Jack means this includes book 2, and book 2 has lots of people leaving Deepgate and heading out into the lands surrounding the abyss. Would be very plausible for the Heshites to be recruiting Deepgaters into the tribes.

As for that bit on me, that was just to refute Fener's arguments of me being useless. I'm not saying it's a complete flip and that I'm integral, I'm just saying that I have been contributing to the game. If I wanted to be completely necessary, than I would have kept all that info to myself and doled it out a wee bit at a time. I'm not doing that because <A> I want my team to have this info, and <B> I don't want this game to proceed at a snail's pace for lack of info (it is anyway, but not for that reason).

Of course I kept back a little bit of info, no sense in becoming completely obsolete...

D'riss, on Jun 8 2009, 12:56 PM, said:

Well, we're not even sure what faction Sil was in, other than being reasonably sure he wasnt cult - so his CF doesnt actually give us that much either. You'd also think that now the second priority for lynches would be whoever was on Sil's team - there's a reason Merc games always turn into a faction hunt. In which case going after his recommended lynch target is the worst place to start.

So, D'riss you think we should now try and lynch off the rest of Sil's team and ignore the cult while it goes about recruiting every night?!

Of course not, that's why I said SECOND priority.

[Korlat]

I took that to mean that Sil was first and his team would be second. Not what you meant then?

[Tellan]

sorry if my post rubbed people the wrong way. a guy can blow off a little steam on thread once in a while can't he?

[Gamelon]

Here, catching up. Comments as I go.

[Gamelon]

Fener, on Jun 8 2009, 05:04 AM, said:

D'riss, on Jun 8 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jun 8 2009, 10:49 AM, said:

I would be interested at looking to the person who assumed special significance/truth based on Sil being dead, then. Because I certainly don't see it that way, as my last post indicated.

He is only more reliable due to his confirmed alt - the rest is just his attempt at pushing a lynch towards someone not his team.

Well, we're not even sure what faction Sil was in, other than being reasonably sure he wasnt cult - so his CF doesnt actually give us that much either. You'd also think that now the second priority for lynches would be whoever was on Sil's team - there's a reason Merc games always turn into a faction hunt. In which case going after his recommended lynch target is the worst place to start.

Unless he did what he did to distance himself. He pointed to Telas, seemingly without reason, as someone we should look at. That could easily be a move to distance himself from a team mate.

Where did he make this post? It might be something to look into.

[Gamelon]

Rashan, on Jun 8 2009, 07:12 AM, said:

I'm here and caught up, gotta head to work, but i'll be back in half an hour or so


Vote Fener

Because if you weren't cult before, theres a really good chance you are now.

Seriously? How does that provide any information? If Fener's telling the truth, his CF will say heshette tribesman or whatever and we won't even know if he's recruited.

[Fener]

I'm ending the day at the office. Off to the gym and then I'll take a look at the game more properly after I've had dinner

[Gamelon]

I think that at this point, taking out the cult should ermain the #1 priority. Given that Silanah is probably not cult, it might be a good idea to look through his train for cult-like votes.

Also, as I was looking through for those votes, I saw this:

Hood's Path, on Jun 5 2009, 07:28 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 5 2009, 03:22 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 5 2009, 03:58 AM, said:

Ok...caught up.
Thanks for all the book info...you guys recon these books are any good?
worth a read?


Anyways...i also think that this obsetion that silanah has with the king of hell is rather interesting.
So...
Remove vote
Vote silanah

lets see what comes out of the woodwork

Throws out second vote upon arrival

Hood's Path, on Jun 5 2009, 06:17 AM, said:

looked to me like d'riss was just trying to help with pointing out what seemed to be vote placing error.
Then again now that you bring it up his lack of any comment with regards to the silanah case is noteworthy...

Hood's Path, on Jun 5 2009, 06:18 AM, said:

sorry meant Ehmur not D'riss

I put both in here, so theres no confusion. D'riss brought up the point of why Emur didn't comment on the vote, but instead placement. Not sure why, but Sil immediately agrees with Driss.

Hood's Path, on Jun 5 2009, 06:30 AM, said:

The most interesting thing noted so far today and all you have to say is "shouldnt your vote be on a new line?"
You got to realise that its at least noteworthy that you didnt comment at all.

Good job of saying the same thing that was said above.

Hood's Path, on Jun 5 2009, 07:10 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jun 5 2009, 02:31 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jun 4 2009, 10:28 PM, said:

Hehe.

I am a tad suspicious of mr "omg-hell-king-all-the-time-Silanah", but hey it IS day one...

THIS is my initial reaction BEFORE Fener even voted. I was the second person to comment on the thing aside from the person who started it, ffs.

woaah there nelly!

i just said its noteworthy...not compelling evidence or anything, dont get your nickers in a bunch.

Easy Emur, this post says to me, I don't want to fight, its not worth me dying over.

My interpretation, but in his 10 posts he has agreed with the Sil case and voted, and then he immediately went to the D'riss point and started adding too it, while trying to be non-confrontational.

I hate case building, now I'll wait for everyone to say, weak case, and then I'll switch to Sil. But Hp is too agreeable and easily moved.

I really dont see what the point of your "Case" is....

and it sounded a little odd. He might've rebutted this later, but if so I don't remember it and am a little pressed for time. =/ When I'm "scum" (or in this case, the cult which is the closest we'll get in this game) and people make cases, I tend to just laugh it off. So it's meta I guess, but worth consideration...

The sil train was:
Hood's Path, Fener, Korvalain, Emurlahn, Korlat, Rashan, Gamelon, Liosan, Tellan


And I find it extremely odd that Tellan stated that two nights had timed out when its day three, and he hammered on the other night. Are you even trying at all?

[Korlat]

Gamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 05:38 PM, said:

I think that at this point, taking out the cult should ermain the #1 priority. Given that Silanah is probably not cult, it might be a good idea to look through his train for cult-like votes.

Also, as I was looking through for those votes, I saw this:

Quote

giant quotes of vast scrolling +3

and it sounded a little odd. He might've rebutted this later, but if so I don't remember it and am a little pressed for time. =/ When I'm "scum" (or in this case, the cult which is the closest we'll get in this game) and people make cases, I tend to just laugh it off. So it's meta I guess, but worth consideration...

The sil train was:
Hood's Path, Fener, Korvalain, Emurlahn, Korlat, Rashan, Gamelon, Liosan, Tellan


And I find it extremely odd that Tellan stated that two nights had timed out when its day three, and he hammered on the other night. Are you even trying at all?

How would you characterize a "cult-like" vote? I'm not sure what to look for here...

As for Tellan, I think he's saying that night took all 12 hours both times (not sure if it did, but that's what he's saying), so this has no relevance whether he hammered or not. Really he is saying that people aren't putting in their provisionals, which tends to happen in merc games since so many people have abilities (there's usually at least a finder/guard for each team and most teams have a power role as well).

[Gamelon]

Ah wait. Yeah I'm retarded. Sorry Tellan.

[Hood's Path]

I wasnt laughing it off boyo...i really didnt get what his case was all about.
As he was using arguments that you would normally use to look for killers in a normal game to try and make out as if i was the cult...wich made no sense...

I asked him to clarify...how is that laughing it off??

In fact if i remember correctly I think we really got stuck into each other after that so i believe you are completely wrong in what youve just said Game.

[Gamelon]

As for a cult-like vote...I'm not sure. It's difficult to identify anyone as coasting with the weekend (I'm a little guilty myself) but I guess it'd be similar to what I'd see in scum in a normal game. Of course, everyone is technically scum so...

It's hard to say. I'm trying to figure that out.

[Rashan]

Gamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 09:32 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 8 2009, 07:12 AM, said:

I'm here and caught up, gotta head to work, but i'll be back in half an hour or so


Vote Fener

Because if you weren't cult before, theres a really good chance you are now.

Seriously? How does that provide any information? If Fener's telling the truth, his CF will say heshette tribesman or whatever and we won't even know if he's recruited.

All I am saying is that if he is on my team, and by no means am I saying that, I don't want him around to symp my leader to death so that he gets my leader killed, since its possible his alignment has changed. I agree that going after the cult recruiter is the way to go, but the fact is, if you dont get the cult leader then you leave a very likely cult member around and risk hitting your own team member. If I am wrong, so be it, but Fener was a great target for recruitment, so I'd rather get the wild card out of the way, then look elsewhere and risk hitting a team mate.

[Gamelon]

Hood's Path, on Jun 8 2009, 09:54 AM, said:

I wasnt laughing it off boyo...i really didnt get what his case was all about.
As he was using arguments that you would normally use to look for killers in a normal game to try and make out as if i was the cult...wich made no sense...

I asked him to clarify...how is that laughing it off??

In fact if i remember correctly I think we really got stuck into each other after that so i believe you are completely wrong in what youve just said Game.

Well if you'd made a rebuttal explaining that I somehow missed it. =/ I'm going to go see if I can find it.

edit: okay, post 178. I must be really off today, then...-.-

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 08 June 2009 - 01:57 PM

[Korlat]

Gamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 05:54 PM, said:

As for a cult-like vote...I'm not sure. It's difficult to identify anyone as coasting with the weekend (I'm a little guilty myself) but I guess it'd be similar to what I'd see in scum in a normal game. Of course, everyone is technically scum so...

It's hard to say. I'm trying to figure that out.

Okay, but that sounds pretty much the same as what's going to find us people with killing roles (if there are any...) or other powerful abilities and not specifically the cult recruiter...

[Gamelon]

Rashan, on Jun 8 2009, 09:55 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 09:32 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 8 2009, 07:12 AM, said:

I'm here and caught up, gotta head to work, but i'll be back in half an hour or so


Vote Fener

Because if you weren't cult before, theres a really good chance you are now.

Seriously? How does that provide any information? If Fener's telling the truth, his CF will say heshette tribesman or whatever and we won't even know if he's recruited.

All I am saying is that if he is on my team, and by no means am I saying that, I don't want him around to symp my leader to death so that he gets my leader killed, since its possible his alignment has changed. I agree that going after the cult recruiter is the way to go, but the fact is, if you dont get the cult leader then you leave a very likely cult member around and risk hitting your own team member. If I am wrong, so be it, but Fener was a great target for recruitment, so I'd rather get the wild card out of the way, then look elsewhere and risk hitting a team mate.

And if you're wrong then the cult gets another night...=/
It felt almost like you were trying to push a speed lynch there, when we need to make the most of our days to learn what we can.

edit: I'm going to add my reponse to Korlat's above post since I'm in xpost heaven atm and don't want a million posts flooding the page.

Korlat, on Jun 8 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 05:54 PM, said:

As for a cult-like vote...I'm not sure. It's difficult to identify anyone as coasting with the weekend (I'm a little guilty myself) but I guess it'd be similar to what I'd see in scum in a normal game. Of course, everyone is technically scum so...

It's hard to say. I'm trying to figure that out.

Okay, but that sounds pretty much the same as what's going to find us people with killing roles (if there are any...) or other powerful abilities and not specifically the cult recruiter...

That's the main problem with that method. But how else would we find our recruiter without a known cult member and his posts to search for signals/clues?

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 08 June 2009 - 02:02 PM

[Hood's Path]

Gamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 05:55 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 8 2009, 09:54 AM, said:

I wasnt laughing it off boyo...i really didnt get what his case was all about.
As he was using arguments that you would normally use to look for killers in a normal game to try and make out as if i was the cult...wich made no sense...

I asked him to clarify...how is that laughing it off??

In fact if i remember correctly I think we really got stuck into each other after that so i believe you are completely wrong in what youve just said Game.

Well if you'd made a rebuttal explaining that I somehow missed it. =/ I'm going to go see if I can find it.

edit: okay, post 178. I must be really off today, then...-.-

[Rashan]

Gamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

And if you're wrong then the cult gets another night...=/
It felt almost like you were trying to push a speed lynch there, when we need to make the most of our days to learn what we can.

You do know that there is only 2 votes on Fener right now, correct? Not sure how explaining my vote is pushing a speed lynch. Could you explain what you mean by that?

[Gamelon]

Rashan, on Jun 8 2009, 10:06 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

And if you're wrong then the cult gets another night...=/
It felt almost like you were trying to push a speed lynch there, when we need to make the most of our days to learn what we can.

You do know that there is only 2 votes on Fener right now, correct? Not sure how explaining my vote is pushing a speed lynch. Could you explain what you mean by that?

It felt like a "well we didn't manage to get him lynched yesterday, let's actually lynch him this time->vote" sort of thing. Tunnel vision, I guess. But you're right, it's only 2 votes...=/