[Tennes]

Liosan, on Jun 12 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

oh, for the record.
Tennes is a lying scum,

i went over the whole "Fener lynched-night-Gamelon lynch sequence"

my last post was around midnight Wednesday, my time.

my NEXT post, was around 1:40 PM Thursday, and I laughed and voted Gamelon, as I said I would, before night was even over

so, don't give this BS that "you voted him after I've made a bunch of posts calling you out to vote him"

I said i would vote him on the night of Fener's lynch. I didn't place a vote right away, b/c I don't like ot place a vote overnight, if the day has just begun.
I had stuff to take care of yesterday morning, when i got back, I voted gamelon, like I said i would--because regardless of motives he caused a ton of WIFOM with his reveal as a recruitable symp, and lynching him was the correct course of action.

Haha is this supposed to clear you or something? You showed you didn't want to vote Game, but you did anyway, which is the base of my point. That you did it because I had a case on you or because you realized it wasn't a good idea not to vote for Game doesn't matter either way, it comes down to the same conclusion. Fact remains, you defended someone that turned out to be cult. It's good enough reason to lynch you in my book.

[Liosan]

hmm
I find it odd that HP got here, and went all up in arms against me, whereas all I did was point out that Telas doesn't have a lot of posts.

[Liosan]

Tennes, on Jun 12 2009, 05:31 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 12 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

oh, for the record.
Tennes is a lying scum,

i went over the whole "Fener lynched-night-Gamelon lynch sequence"

my last post was around midnight Wednesday, my time.

my NEXT post, was around 1:40 PM Thursday, and I laughed and voted Gamelon, as I said I would, before night was even over

so, don't give this BS that "you voted him after I've made a bunch of posts calling you out to vote him"

I said i would vote him on the night of Fener's lynch. I didn't place a vote right away, b/c I don't like ot place a vote overnight, if the day has just begun.
I had stuff to take care of yesterday morning, when i got back, I voted gamelon, like I said i would--because regardless of motives he caused a ton of WIFOM with his reveal as a recruitable symp, and lynching him was the correct course of action.

Haha is this supposed to clear you or something? You showed you didn't want to vote Game, but you did anyway, which is the base of my point. That you did it because I had a case on you or because you realized it wasn't a good idea not to vote for Game doesn't matter either way, it comes down to the same conclusion. Fact remains, you defended someone that turned out to be cult. It's good enough reason to lynch you in my book.

rofl
quote me defending Gam the last game day.
how the fuck can you say "You didn't want to lynch him", if all you have are

1) my posts during the NIGHT, where I say

Liosan, on Jun 10 2009, 08:54 PM, said:

so, to clarify

Mesmerists are evil, spawn of hell type people.
Heshette are nomad tribesmen who worship the goddes of Heaven. They've been fighting Deepgate for ages, and now the rest of them, led by Ramnir took Cospinol's ship to the far western lands to fight the King of Hell there.

Gamelon, you realize what you've done by revealing,, right?
now tomorrow we will all be in the position knowing that you are a lowly symp, and thus a great recruit target. Meaning, people will want to lynch you a la fener.

and for the record: we have two dead Cohl's shades. But unlike what we're used to, these mercenaries work on personal basis. thus, they don't necessarily have to be on same team, and one of them was probably associated with the Mesmerists.

and am I the only one to notice Emu hasn't posted in a while?

which in NO FUCKING WAY (except for your imagination) translate into me saying "I don't want to lynch you, Gamelon"

and
2. My post, 14 hours after I leave the thread at the very beginning of game day with no one around

Liosan, on Jun 11 2009, 01:44 PM, said:

rofl

vote Gamelon

for opening up that kettle of fish.

RE: gam's slip. early in Day 1, he mentioned D'rek's name, whilst talking about a list of important characters compiled by Korlat.
thus, I have assumed that he was paired with Korlat. and since korlat was Carnival--a lone-wolf type slightly mental killing machine, it made no sense for him to be cult.

in which, I vote Gamelon, per my logic in post 1, some 16 hours earlier.

dude, seriously, your strawman-fu is major weak.

[Ruse]

Ah, now see that knackers my fledgling argument. I had him for a leader, but a leader wouldn't leap to defend his underlings would he? That said, I've seen stranger things happen.

Edit: Cross post, this was @ Lio's post - 1102

This post has been edited by Ruse: 12 June 2009 - 09:40 PM

[Liosan]

meh
if this is like 17/31, a leader is given a name of one important role (in those games, the poisoner)

[Ruse]

Well now, isn't that interesting.

[Liosan]

?
it's a possibilty.
mind you, a lot of people have jumped to the conclusion that htis game will be similar to either 31 or the Culture game, without any actual proof of it.

personally, I'm fairly sure Tennes is just symping his ass off for HP right now.

[Ruse]

Oh, I'm not about to jump to any conclusions, about anything. I think I see a connection and I will read up...if there's nothing there this is the last you'll hear of it. I don't throw ideas around and then make the quotes fit...not my style at all.

[Liosan]

I'm still waiting to see how Tennes will justify his poor attempt at a strawman.

also, Telas has been on, he was apologetic for lack of contribution.... and he left.
didn't even vote.

[Liosan]

Have to get Supper started for the working members of my family, will be afk for about an hour.

[Ruse]

Of course if you are right about HP/Telas, Tennes/HP, and I'm right about Rashan/Tennes...that's a big group?


Edit: Cross post - stupid F5, stupid refresh.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 12 June 2009 - 09:56 PM

[D'riss]

Well, it's definitely starting to look like the factions part of the game is starting to overtake the 'find-the-cult' part of the game. Hopefully it doesnt end up biting us in the ass. I'm still very undecided as to where to put my vote, but I will hopefully be around on and off for the next couple of hours.

[Path-Shaper]

Liosan, on Jun 12 2009, 08:46 PM, said:

Sigh
this is just my humble opinion, mind, but I think you're making too big a deal out the articles in the CF.
one of the more active mods is Venge, and him and Grammar aren't really on speaking terms...

of course, since I ain't going to CF as "the Mesmerist", this particular point is moot...

Hey... I resemble that remark... I will have you know that I haven't spoken to Grammer in like 20 years... Last time I heard he was up in Alaska trying to elect Palin...

[Path-Shaper]

ALso I am going to eat so you misserable lot are on your own for a bit...Probably...

[Ruse]

Hood's Path, on Jun 12 2009, 11:36 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jun 12 2009, 01:47 AM, said:

Well, you could assume that Ruse is my leader and I'm trying to derail. But that would lead me to assume that Rashan is your leader, so you know he can't be recruited and so must be trustworthy, to an extent.
What I am curious about, HP, is how you know that higher ups in the chain can't be recruited...or are you assuming that? Because I certainly don't know if a leader can be recruited or not.



I am perfectly willing to vote Ruse. Except that I feel Rashan is leading us all too quickly. Did you ever consider that he could actually be the cult?

Well ofcourse nothing is certain
I am just guessing that leaders cant be recruited. There needs to be some limitations to the cult and that is the obvious one.
But, You are getting it all backwards here, i trust rashan is not in cult because of his actions. Its clear that rashan has not been recruited. He has pushed for both Gamelon and feners lynches and they both were cult. No cult member would do that.

Was he recruited lastnight? maybe...maybe not. Thats all WIFOM stuff that i would rather not get into as it gets us nowhere.
Doesnt make his case on Ruse any less valid now does it?
Regardless of whether i trust rashan or not his case is pretty damn good...and worth a look in my opinion.
I cant now go jumping at everything thinking that this person or that person could have been recruited.
I am taking cases at face value.

Hood's Path, on Jun 12 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

The thing is...
I have shouted just as loud for fener and then probably even more so for gamelons lynches than what rashan has.
So now that you come out and single rashan out for his case and saying he is taking control of the game is rather interesting.

If anything you should be scared of me leading the game...but instead you say rashan is.
I made the initial case yesterday that got gamelon lynched, not rashan....so i dont really buy your thinking that rashan is leading the sheep.
There seems to be another agenda behind your actions.

The above are HP doing a stirling job of defending Rashan, there is at least one more as well, I think. No votes on him mind, so why such spirited defence? Seems very odd after Rashan built a case on HP early on. And I can't remember Rashan mentioning HP for quite a while. Could it be that HP recruited Rashan?

Vote Hood's Path

I know he's not here to defend himself, but I am sure SKS will look after him.

[Tennes]

I am certainly not strawmanning, Liosan. You don't seem to get my case at all. Of course you're not gonna come all out and say you desperately don't want us to lynch Game, I don't think you're stupid man. I am just telling you I don't believe you wanted to lynch Game. And fact remains, you were wrong, and Game was cult.

[Liosan]

rofl
ok, so your "case" is based on a "feeling that I didn't want to lynch Gamelon", backed up by no factual information whatsoever?

Glad we settled that. Sit down, have a cookie.

As for whether or not I was wrong: Gamelon was cult. whether or not he started out as one (the "slip" I mentioned was Day 1, ergo, I believed him to be Korlat's partner on day 1, ergo I did not think he was cult on day 1)--only the spoilers can clarify that.

The fact that you do not even consider that possibility makes you narrow-minded--whether its purposeful or not, I am still unsure.

[Liosan]

oh, and for the record: you admit you have no proof, yet you are attributing a certain argument to my person.
THAT'S what Strawmaning is--you're putting words into my mouth.

and you're doing it poorly.

[Tennes]

Haha, no I'm not straw manning, I'm reading between the lines - and I never said I had absolute proof - none of us do you know.

[Ruse]

Yes, well, if you two could stop dancing around your handbags for 5 mins...I'm off to bed.