[Liosan]

it's in spanish. with subtitles.

[Meanas]

Pan's Labyrinth is a pretty good film. The creatures have a unique visual style that is interesting to watch, and the 'real' backstory that accompanies it is also well written. I really enjoyed it, but I know some people who didn't really like it...

I'd watch it and see which camp you fall into.

[Emurlahn]

Good. Go forth and watch. Pan's Labyrinth is awesome. Truly classic movie. (I hold no responsibility if you should dislike the movie, it is entire your fault. The rest of the world disagrees with you.)

[Liosan]

lol, all right then.

i'm off, will check in occasionally to see how the thread fares.

[Meanas]

*sigh* I feel like I'm coming down with Swine Flu.

Think I'll try and spend some time away from the computer screen. Hopefully I'll feel better tomorrow - I'll be back before the end of the day, never fear.

[Korvalain]

Rashan, on Jun 12 2009, 07:56 PM, said:

Also, I dislike how you say I am looking at factions right now, instead of cult, when Ruse and your leader Lio have tried to link everyone together, instead of lynching the 3 who weren't on the trains of cultists. I don't care who we lynch out of Telas,Ruse and Driss, IMO they all need to go, to hell with the teams until then.

I agree with this. If we really are playing WCS, we gotta clean up the loose ends.


And it sounds like I should rent Pan's Labyrinth.

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on Jun 12 2009, 08:07 PM, said:

Meanas, scroll up. Liosan already quoted his post from the night before.

@Rashan, that's funny, you were saying to Ruse a while ago that you weren't voting for him but for Telas...

I was voting Telas, I removed vote and voted Ruse, after Ruse popped on and got his panties in a wad.

[Rashan]

Also, Pan's Labyrinth was very very weird, and long, and sucked. But I am not a very artsy kind of guy.

[D'riss]

I also enjoyed Pan's Labyrinth.

It seems the main choice at this point is Ruse, with lesser trains on HP and Lio. I could really go for either of those three. I agree with Emur in that it seems the threat from the cult has been severely lessened, or at least it's reached the point in the game where playing for your faction to win is as/more important than playing for the cult to lose. From what I've seen HP is unlikely to have been cult for the majority of the game, Lio or Ruse might be but I'm not sold on either.

[Korvalain]

At this point, I think Telas and Ruse are the most likely votes for me. The case against Ruse is stronger, but in the end it seems like it's based on his being a cult recruit. If we're playing WCS, we need to be wary of a remaining recruiter, so that's why an unknown like Telas is also good IMO. What's interesting for me is, the 3 people (Telas, Ruse, D'riss) who weren't on the cult trains are also the 3 who I have the least sense of what other members they might be related to (i.e. what faction they might be in).

[Korvalain]

Hello to Peanutbutta, Sixty and Malaese who are currently tapping the bowl. Only I'm inside at the moment though.

[D'riss]

Well, I'm about to head to bed now. I'm not sure if I'll be back before end of day. After a bit of a reread, I think I'm going to go with

vote Ruse

Since that's the case that I'm most comfortable putting my vote behind.

[Korvalain]

Hmm, one of the 3 unknowns comes up and slaps the vote down on another. I'm almost uncomfortable about voting Ruse since I don't think he's a recruiter. I'd rather go for someone who might be.

<cocks an eyebrow towards D'riss>

[Emurlahn]

D'riss, on Jun 12 2009, 06:07 PM, said:

I also enjoyed Pan's Labyrinth.

It seems the main choice at this point is Ruse, with lesser trains on HP and Lio. I could really go for either of those three. I agree with Emur in that it seems the threat from the cult has been severely lessened, or at least it's reached the point in the game where playing for your faction to win is as/more important than playing for the cult to lose. From what I've seen HP is unlikely to have been cult for the majority of the game, Lio or Ruse might be but I'm not sold on either.

I may have started this point, but it's just this sort of post that I was looking for. Didn't actually expect it to come from one of the three non-voters (I mean, really, do we think that at least some the cultists didn't hop on at some point in the train to avoid suspicion?).

Thank you, D'riss. As this sounds exactly like what one would expect a cultist to say once someone has brought up the fact that the cult is weak and may not need to be focused on any more.

You have just gone up several places in my suspect list. For me, it's between Ruse and D'riss, now.

Vote D'riss

And ideally Telas would request a modkill, but if his survival wins the game for the cult then it's a very hollow victory, I'm afraid. That sort of shit just ain't on.

[Telas]

Do all of you honestly think a recruiter wouldn't have been on any of the trains for the people he recruited? That seems like "Distancing 101" to me, but maybe some of you guys have ulterior motives for going after the easy lynch.

If you guys really want to continue to go after the cult, I'm down with it, as I don't know where else to look at this point. I'm gonna go back and look at the votes as any supposed recruiter definitely would have at least been on the second Fener train, in my opinion. Be back in a bit.

[Emurlahn]

Exactly what I just said, Telas, but if Fener and then Gamelon were the recruiter(s), the recruits may not have been. Of course, if they were both recruiters, then cult-hunting drops hugely in priority.

Essentially, though, while we are looking at suspects for the cult, I think everyone is also of a mind to kill off the chaff, and it just so happens that a few of those are reasonable suspects for being cultists. Then again, this is exactly the sort of shepherding I was talking about with Rashan - but hey, there is a limit to how much I can push that facet of the game, I'm afraid.

[Telas]

All right, just looking at the voting history, I have become suspicious of Meanas.

His vote on the first Fener train was fairly early, but it could have been before Fener was recruited. This fits with his comment the following day when he seems indignant that people are still going after Fener after the failed lynch, like he was disappointed he wasn't able to out-guess the mob:

Meanas, on Jun 8 2009, 10:26 AM, said:

Morning everyone.

Rashan, on Jun 8 2009, 07:12 AM, said:

I'm here and caught up, gotta head to work, but i'll be back in half an hour or so


Vote Fener

Because if you weren't cult before, theres a really good chance you are now.

So wait, the cult is going to recruit the player who was almost lynched the day before? That logic seems poor to me.


And Liosan, if that was a joke it was a bad one...this is me not laughing.

After that, he's very late on the Game and Fener trains. Both trains got to the station many hours before the day would have timed out, so it was pretty easy to see the writing on the wall. Jump on the train before you miss it to allay suspicion.

Also, both his later votes, especially the Fener one, just had a weird vibe to them, like he was caving in to pressure:

Meanas, on Jun 10 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

I see your point, Rashan. That last interaction left me kind of curious as to Fener's sincerity. Let's see what happens...


Vote Fener

Meanas, on Jun 11 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

Sorry, I've been catching up.

While a cult with an inherited recruiting ability seems rather overpowered for a merc game (you've got to keep the factions balanced, right?), the flimsiness of Gamelon's defending implies to me that he thought they must be nearing a majority and just needed to get near/over the line, meaning there are probably still quite a few cult out there. So yeah, Gamelon could be a Heshette tribesman, but I find that very unlikely. If he saw Fener bullshitting, he could quite easily have come up with some more stuff to add to the story for verisimilitude. Also with hindsight, that tantrum he pulled last night felt very contrived. So I think it's a pretty good bet that Gamelon is cult, and as such we should get rid of him.

Vote Gamelon

Vote Meanas

[Liosan]

well, I'm back
Pan's labyrinth is a very well done movie (although I suppose it should be Fawn's labyrinth , if the Spanish title in the credits is to be believed).

But, man, those Spaniards have some odd fairytales....

Now, to the topic of the game. Emur, you say if telas is cult, it'd be a really hollow victory. that's very noble posturing, but the fact remains--it's a very viable tactic for the hunted faction (that I wil refer to as scum). Yes, it's despicable, we all hate it, but low-posting works.

And I love how no one else even bothered to respond to my suspicions of Telas--everyone seems to just shrugg them off, and move on elsewhere.
Makes me think I may actually be onto somehting.

I may be on and off for another hour, but then I'm off to bed. Day will time out around 5 AM my time, so I'll contemplate my vote and possibly switch before bed.

[Liosan]

oh, wow, major cross post.

[Emurlahn]

Glad you like Pan's Labyrinth, Lio.


I know what you're saying with the Telas thing - and believe me, it's tempting to vote for him. But I do understand RL issues. The thing that scares me, is that I normally play this tactic. Low poster until near the end, then start contributing. Might be a bit of a free alt-guess on me, but it's the truth. Moreover, I play this tactic when inno, or when scum (except in these merc games, it seems - always end up posting higher in them. O.o). In any case, most people play that tactic when scum, unlike me.

Which is why Telas should request a modkill. We don't want to lynch him for low posting (because that's just sad), but at the same time hanging in there and starting to participate now is a bit of an issue, as we have nothing to go on, and he could win the game by doing nothing, which is just rude.