[Eispeis]

Good day to all.

Been searching through the forums to find an overview of what aspects the different warrens have, but to try to search for 'warrens' is a march of futility. By aspect I mean the 'element,' in lack of a better word, and/or primary use representing the different warrens.

Anyway, I'm trying to get a good idea of what the different warrens are and seeing as I've read up to about 600 pages in Reaper's Gale I thought this was the appropriate place.

If anyone could correct and add to my list, or tell me that I'm understanding warrens wrong please do as I would appreciate it.


What I remember right now (updated with beru's answer - thanks beru!)

Meanas - Shadow (illusions)
Rashan - Dark (semi-darkness/dusk/not-Kurald-Galain-darkness)
Ruse - water
Thyr - light
Mockra - mind
Denul - healing
Tellan - fire
Hood - death
Serc - air
Omtose Phellack(?) - ice

Thanks for all and any help.


RG Spoiler:

Spoiler

In RG Beak(?) uses several different "candles" to steal the horses from the Letherii. He makes use of several candles like the white candle (Hood) and the orange candle (Tellann), but also a purple one. What warren is the purple one?

This post has been edited by Eispeis: 03 June 2009 - 09:40 AM

[beru]

serc is air
thyr is light
mocra is mind
menas is the purple one i think
rashan is dark but used by so called "shadow" users since its not pure darkness (or so i presume)
thas about it the rest is right i think

[MTS]

Don't forget the Elder Warrens!

Kurald Galain - Elder warren of Darkness
Kurald Emurlahn - Elder warren of Shadow
Kurald Thyrllan/Liosan - Elder Warren of Light
Tellann - Elder Warren of Fire
Telas - Fire
Mockra - mind
Rashan - Darkness (I don't think it's semi-darkness, just that Kurald Galain is more pure)
Meanas - Shadow and Illusion
Ruse - Sea/water
Denul - Healing
D'riss - Earth
'Kaschan' - Gravity, sound etc.

EDIT: I'm fairly sure the purple one was Mockra, not Meanas, as it was more to do with illusions of the mind.

This post has been edited by Mappo's Travelling Sack: 03 June 2009 - 10:03 AM

[Eispeis]

Mappo's Travelling Sack, on Jun 3 2009, 12:01 PM, said:

I'm fairly sure the purple one was Mockra, not Meanas, as it was more to do with illusions of the mind.

I seem to recall that the purple one was used to levitate some branches which would not indicate meanas nor mockra, but I may remember incorrectly.


Edit: Moved the table further down in the discussion.

This post has been edited by Eispeis: 03 June 2009 - 04:36 PM

[MTS]

Hmm...I may have made a mistake. I think Tennes is the Path of Earth, and D'riss is the Path of Stone.

[Lisheo]

It was theorised that the purple one might be Serc; we don't know, though.

Kaschan is elder; its the K'Chain Che'Malle warren.
You're also missing Starvald Demelain, the draconean "First" Elder Warren.

[Eispeis]

Lisheo, on Jun 3 2009, 01:19 PM, said:

It was theorised that the purple one might be Serc; we don't know, though.

Kaschan is elder; its the K'Chain Che'Malle warren.
You're also missing Starvald Demelain, the draconean "First" Elder Warren.

Thanks.

I was trying to remember the draconean warren, but all I could come up with was eleint:)

Table duly updated (in about 30 seconds anyway...)

[MTS]

The Eleint warren, yeah. Can't believe I forgot that one. Sorry I didn't specify - Kaschan is indeed Elder.

Serc? When was this? I don't remember anything about it being Serc...what were the reasons Lish?

[Lisheo]

I can't quite remember, it was in one of the many Beak threads. It makes sense, when you think about it; levitation and the Sky Warren together. So far, no other warren has been shown with that ability.

[D'rek]

Aral Gamelon -> A populated warren with no known aspect often used for demonic summoning

and of course there's some that may or not be their own un-named warrens or sub-warrens of greater ones, like Fener's warren and Poliel's warren (which Envy apparently looted in MoI)

[Eispeis]

OK. Moved the table down here to get a better overview.

Categorized the warrens in three.

Elder Warrens - which are elder (duh) and not accessible to everybody.
Lesser Warrens - not necessarily lesser, but not elder either. There are examples of powerful players drawing on these (like Brood using High Denul).
Other Warrens - warrens which are not accessed to "cast magic," but rather used for travel or summoning. Travel or summoning is not reserved exclusively to these however as the others may well be used for the same purposes.

Getting a bit more complex this list of ours

Elder Warrens
Starvald Demelain - The First Warren/Dragon Warren
Kurald Galain - Elder Warren of Darkness
Kurald Emurlahn - Elder Warren of Shadow
Kurald Thyrllan - Elder Warren of Light (Kurald Liosan - Supposed Elder Warren of Light, may be another name for Kurald Thyrllan)
Omtose Phellack - Jaghut Warren of Ice
Tellann - Warren of Fire (Created by the T'lan Imass for their ritual)
Danaeth Rusen - Elder Warren of the Sea
Kaschan - Elder K'Chain Che'Malle Warren (sound, gravity etc.)


Younger Warrens (accessible to humans)
Denul - Path of Healing
D'Riss - Path of Stone
Hood's Path - Path of Death
Meanans - Path of Shadow and Illusion
Mockra - Path of the Mind
Rashan - Path of Darkness
Ruse - Path of the Sea
Serc - Paty of the Sky
Telas - Path of Fire
Tennes - Path of the Land (Burn's Warren)
Thyr - Path of Light

Other Warrens
Imperial Warren (Kallor's Empire)
Aral Gamelon - Path of Demons (Summoning and control of demons)
Temporary Warrens - Pocket Warrens (Toblakai warriors becoming a warren unto themselves) and Memory Warrens (dreams etc.)

Fener's Warren and Poleil's Warren are hinted at in the series, but not explained or seen in action, though I assume that Itkovian and the Destriant of the Grey Swords in MOI drew power from Fener's Warren

This post has been edited by Eispeis: 05 June 2009 - 08:46 AM

[Kryphon]

Aral Gemelon? Where is this one mentioned?

[Bauchelain the Evil]

In MoI QB says to Talamandas that most demons( Kenryllah, Galain etc) come from Aral Gamelon and as such this is what summoners use, although many probably don't know it by that name. It's morea realm than a Warren, actually.

[D'rek]

Eispeis, on Jun 3 2009, 11:42 AM, said:

OK. Moved the table down here to get a better overview.

Categorized the warrens in three.

Elder Warrens - which are elder (duh) and not accessible to everybody.
Lesser Warrens - not necessarily lesser, but not elder either. There are examples of powerful players drawing on these (like Brood using High Denul).
Other Warrens - warrens which are not accessed to "cast magic," but rather used for travel or summoning. Travel or summoning is not reserved exclusively to these however as the others may well be used for the same purposes.

Getting a bit more complex this list of ours

Gettin' good!

I have a suggestion for a 4th category: Temporary warrens. There are many times when characters are pulled into memory-warrens, examples being Ardata pulling Mappo into the memory of the Fall of the CG, or Silchas doing the same with Brys, maybe some of Udinaas' questing. Beyond the memory-warrens, you could also include in this category little pocket-warrens that have cropped up here and there and perhaps the whole Toblakai thing of supreme dudes being a "warren unto themselves"

[Night Hawk]

Kryphon, on Jun 3 2009, 01:01 PM, said:

Aral Gemelon? Where is this one mentioned?

It's mentioned in uh... well I believe in Midnight Tides it makes an appearance... and I think at least 2 other books as well.

[Norion]

Mappo's Travelling Sack, on Jun 3 2009, 12:13 PM, said:

Hmm...I may have made a mistake. I think Tennes is the Path of Earth, and D'riss is the Path of Stone.

Actually, I believe D'riss should be Path of the Earth. It's listed as such in the glossary in RotCG. Not sure about Tennes tho, it's not listed in the glossary I referred to.

[MTS]

QB says in MoI that D'riss is the Path of Stone. Plus, there's also that witch of Burn who uses Tennes, and Burn is the goddess of the Earth.

I got it from ROTCG glossary too, as it and BH are the only ones I have right now.

[Norion]

Indeed, I think I have to agree with you. Weird the glossary in my copy of RotCG refer to D'riss as path of earth. I've looked through my other books and some say earth and others say stone.
Guess I shouldn't trust the glossary too much, at least not without taking actual episodes in the book into consideration

This post has been edited by Norion: 04 June 2009 - 12:36 PM

[Eispeis]

Norion, on Jun 4 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

Indeed, I think I have to agree with you. Weird the glossary in my copy of RotCG refer to D'riss as path of earth. I've looked through my other books and some say earth and others say stone.

I have no idea why I didn't think of this to begin with, but naturally Wikipedia (link) has a comprehensive list of the warrens in Malaziworld/Wu. D'riss is indeed the Path of Stone while Tennes is the Path of Land(earth) and Burn's own warren.

I've updated our little table above to match the Wikipedia table.

Thanks to all who contributed nonetheless.

[beru]

in ROTCG kurald liosan is said to be the same as kurald thyrlan...