[Fener]

Yeah, but we can't really call them CI. What we can say is we have four dead innos - whether they are symps or not is irrelevant, as we know we are playing to WCS here.

[Korvalain]

Okay, I edited it to (PI) in my post.

Any thoughts on the D'riss, Liosan, Mockra trinity?

D'riss has begun ringing some bells, Liosan bothered me some in a re-read, and Mockra pissed me off last night, but I was drunk and emo, so...

[Fener]

I'm going back to read D'riss now - can't remember.

[Fener]

He seems a bit lynch-happy;

D'riss, on May 29 2009, 12:25 AM, said:

Korvalain, on May 28 2009, 09:23 PM, said:

D'riss has made my eyebrows raise as well. But, then again, so did Kesso and Shadow.

I'd agree that my actions were probably questionable or dubious but it's mostly been due to trying to get some useful information off in a post in the few moments I could spare today.

I'm mostly annoyed at Emur's attitude, to be honest, but the Silanah case is sound enough for my vote and I've joined that chorus, small as it may currently be.

D'riss, on May 28 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

Well time is winding down and no lynch seems likely. Best I can see is the current tension between Sil and Emur over Sil's case/non-case. Emur is a bit of a crybaby over my constant attention to his case, but I suppose the squeaky wheel gets the grease today.

Remove Vote
Vote Silanah

D'riss, on May 28 2009, 09:37 PM, said:

Busy day and pretty tied up tonight, so I can't offer much, but I should be on before the lynch.

I've been suspicious of Emur for the non-vote for a while now, and his recent post indicates he's voting based on principle, which is retarded considering he didn't vote for Telas because he thought the case was bad. So... he makes a case on someone that involves nothing actually related to the game but his notion on how the game should be played?

Vote Emurlahn

Echoing what Mockra says, too, if all roles played the game you thought it should be played, we'd win the game easy every time over scum.

D'riss, on May 28 2009, 02:37 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on May 28 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

D'riss, on May 28 2009, 11:09 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on May 28 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

Of course, none of this makes sense - who Symps openly on Day 1, such that we wind up noticing? No one - it's all interplay, a lot of it spam, a bit more of it meta, and none of it adds up to guilt.

Good Symps stir shit up, clutter the thread with stuff that's on-topic but utter nonsense, and lead people down bad lines of reasoning. I had Tennes and Korlat pegged for that on Day 1, and Ruse is giving that vibe now.

So you avoided a train on day 1. A lousy train that is very certain, but still made sure you'd avoid any voting suspicion.

Yeah, because not voting certainly avoided suspicion. Pointing out that the train was stupid certainly avoided suspicion.

Quote

Then you mentioned your 'pegged' symps who have conveniently died (which means, if you are right, this game is over soon for scum).

Good symps don't randomly stir the pot. They save their masters first and stir shit up only as a means to that end. Why stir shit up if the town is already cannibalizing its own?

I was suspicious of Korlat and Tennes because of a certain misplaced aggressiveness they both had, an aggressiveness that wasn't really based on anything.

And yes, good Symps do in fact work to create confusion.

But great symps don't interfere with already ongoing confusion. Why do I get the feeling you are just trying to confuse this issue symp style?

He was around for the symp-tastic festival, and doesn't like Emur, but is willing to vote Silanah - so far, not much that I have against him, the Emur thing is a valid point...even if it was a bit of a vendetta.

In fact, him and Emur have a very constant and semi-confrontational relationship:

D'riss, on May 28 2009, 02:09 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on May 28 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

Silanah, on May 28 2009, 10:19 AM, said:

Also, based on what the Shadow case indicates, Kesso would have to be the master for Shadow to have known to respond. Were he the symp, how would Shadow have known to make this "signaling" response?

edit: durr got names backward.

Of course, none of this makes sense - who Symps openly on Day 1, such that we wind up noticing? No one - it's all interplay, a lot of it spam, a bit more of it meta, and none of it adds up to guilt.

Good Symps stir shit up, clutter the thread with stuff that's on-topic but utter nonsense, and lead people down bad lines of reasoning. I had Tennes and Korlat pegged for that on Day 1, and Ruse is giving that vibe now.

So you avoided a train on day 1. A lousy train that is very certain, but still made sure you'd avoid any voting suspicion.

Then you mentioned your 'pegged' symps who have conveniently died (which means, if you are right, this game is over soon for scum).

Good symps don't randomly stir the pot. They save their masters first and stir shit up only as a means to that end. Why stir shit up if the town is already cannibalizing its own?

D'riss, on May 27 2009, 07:52 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on May 27 2009, 04:38 PM, said:

D'riss, on May 27 2009, 04:27 PM, said:

Well just for the record, it had 5 votes when I showed up. I said I was going to wait it out to hear Telas speak before I voted and I went as long as I could, but I had always planned on voting with the majority rather than take the coward's way out like Emur or Game.

Right, because it's always better to be an idiot sheep than to think things over.

That worked out so well last game.

Well you can call me an idiot sheep, but right now you're the one bleating up a storm.

More to come in a bit.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Night 2. 3 hours remaining

Players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan

Please submit/confirm any night actions. Also the scene is now up.

[Fener]

D'riss, on May 27 2009, 07:27 PM, said:

Meanas, on May 27 2009, 04:13 PM, said:

Tennes, on May 27 2009, 12:25 PM, said:

About half an hour left.

Here comes a drive-by! Its WIFOM! OMGUS!

Telas

Better add Tennes to that list.

So on the train - Amp,Tennes, Kess, D'riss and Lio.

off the train is anyones guess

Well just for the record, it had 5 votes when I showed up. I said I was going to wait it out to hear Telas speak before I voted and I went as long as I could, but I had always planned on voting with the majority rather than take the coward's way out like Emur or Game.

D'riss, on May 27 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

Here's a tip to noobs, saving your vig for later in the game is advisable. Dying with an unused vig isn't a big deal.

Read over Tennes, just a few finger-pointing posts at Gamelon and Emur for objecting to the Telas train.

Dude...he's freaking obsessed Emur! O.o

Before that...few comments on the idiocy of using a night one vig...and the deaths...meaningless comment on Lisheo...voting for Telas...

D'riss, on May 27 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

Most of the Telas votes are pretty simple... it starts around his semi-useless posts (acts helpful but then isn't?), gains momentum from people who want to make sure we get a lynch and from simple self-preservation.

Only thing I saw that interested me in the votes so far is:

Silanah, on May 27 2009, 06:56 AM, said:

Ampelas, on May 27 2009, 09:48 AM, said:

for me both cases are weak, so it's more about what option gives us more information, which isn't easy to discern. at this time I am willing to vote for either.


Edit: Sil, a speed lynch might be possible if we had a remotely active game, but it's pretty slow.

Edit: Sil, if what you say is correct, I think we would get most information from lynching Telas then, would you agree?

Hmm fair enough. I gotta go, so just in case

Vote Telas

Hopefully I won't regret this.

Underlined a pretty odd thing to say, as others have already pointed out.

Takes great lengths to show he isn't really 'in' to the Telas case - this is an example, also his desire to wait to see if Telas was on, and something about it being a stupid day one case.

The rest, I think is day one spam-type behaviour. And teh Goofy picure. D:

[Korvalain]

These are Liosan's posts of substance:

Liosan, on May 26 2009, 10:53 PM, said:

Quote

Meanas 32
Korlat 26
Path-Shaper 20
Shadow 13
Kessobahn 12
Silanah 11
Liosan 10
Ampelas 6
Tellan 6
Telas 5
D'riss 4
Hood's Path 3
Fener 2
Ruse 2
Tennes 1
Mockra 1

15 of the 18 people playing have posted, yet I could only name like 5 people whom I knew were playing prior to this.
something is seriously wrong here....

You are all suspicioius!

Liosan, on May 26 2009, 11:37 PM, said:

Quote

Well, as always, we can pursue two different avenues on Day 1 lynches

1) we can do something we never do, and dlynch a low poster

2) we can try picking someone we think may be suspicious, and run with our gut feelings.

I used to dislike Shadow earlier in the day, as he seemed to be jumping at shadows (pun unintentional) a lot. But it would seem he's calmed down somewhat, so now I'm fairly stumped.

I'll be heading to bed soon, hopefully sleep will grant me some insight.

The next two are fairly infamous.

Liosan, on May 26 2009, 11:45 PM, said:

Korlat, on May 26 2009, 11:44 PM, said:

We always say we'll lynch a low poster, but never do. Too much sympathy for day 1?

Quote

Too much fear of hitting a power role, I'd say

and, Korv, I'm leaving soon, cba to log in invisible.

Liosan, on May 27 2009, 10:29 AM, said:

Quote

Good morning, all
wow, talk about desperately stringing a case out of nothing, Meanas.


yes, I presented two options.
yes, I explained why we never follow the first one. At no point did I "push" for either.
In fact, I've made it clear I was voting for shadow for being overly jumpy, i.e, gut feeling, i.e, option 2.

I will probably vote someone else soon, but first, it's breakfast time.

Defense post.

Quote

Liosan, on May 27 2009, 10:49 AM, said:

Meanas, on May 27 2009, 10:34 AM, said:

Liosan, on May 27 2009, 10:29 AM, said:

Good morning, all
wow, talk about desperately stringing a case out of nothing, Meanas.


yes, I presented two options.
yes, I explained why we never follow the first one. At no point did I "push" for either.
In fact, I've made it clear I was voting for shadow for being overly jumpy, i.e, gut feeling, i.e, option 2.

I will probably vote someone else soon, but first, it's breakfast time.

Lio - I can see how you are confused about my point. Let me try and clarify what I am saying. You brought up the fact that we never lynch the low posters, and then in your next post, in response to Korlat asking why that is, you say, because we don't want to hit a roled player that is hiding. I just don't understand why you even brought it up, if you obviously know that it wont happen so early because of that fear. It seemed to me that you were just looking for an easy lynch.

What's the harm in bringing up all possibilities? Oh, wait. This is mafia--i'll get labelled scum for that.

Meanas, if I was in fact looking for an "easy" low-poster lynch, wouldn't it have made more sense to do something like Mockra did--vote a fairly low-poster (Telas) with little to no explanation?

my retaingi of my vote on Shadow (who's one of the top posters) contradicts your theory.

Defense post.

to be continued...

[Korvalain]

Continued...

Liosan, on May 27 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

Quote

Anyhow.
I have an appointment I must run to, and I will not be back till deadline.

remove vote

vote Telas

since that's where the wind's blowing. and since the other possibility appears to be my humble self,

Votes and leaves after being questioned again.

Liosan, on May 27 2009, 06:07 PM, said:

Quote

God-fucking vigs... sigh

Why assume vig?

Liosan, on May 28 2009, 12:04 PM, said:

Quote

hmm, interesting case there, Korv.

Shadow's been pinging on my radar yesterday, his all-over-the-place comments smacked of symp, now i'll have to look into it more...

He didn't ever say what he thought about it, after that.

Liosan, on May 28 2009, 11:04 PM, said:

Quote

vote Ampelas

doing the re-read of the Telas train, and Silanah's vote (number 4) comes after "convincing" by Amp. in this, he makes sure to distance himself from an inno lynch.

the second on my list would be Kesso.

I didn't really see this.

Liosan, on May 29 2009, 12:35 AM, said:

Quote

aw, hell
Sil's a symp in my book, but a symp's better than nothing

remove vote
vote Silanah

i'll be heading to bed, early start for work tomorrow.

So, in 30 posts, he has 20 that are pretty worthless. 2 that are self-defense. 3 that are votes. 1 where he claims to go look at Shadow, but doesn't come back and say anything. 1 entry post. 2 about why we don't lynch low posters on day one. 1 about a vig being used.

So..... I'm going to go ahead and wait for somebody else to read Mockra... but Liosan does not look good. At all.

[Ruse]

Emurlahn, on May 29 2009, 02:33 AM, said:

Korvalain, on May 28 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

I agree. Let's look at who was on both trains. I'll edit it in.

Well, while we're still waiting for the result, I'm simply going to say that I regret nothing - not missing the first lynch, or leading the second. I'm confident about my choices in both, as I expect that Silanah will come up Inno, but will have been a Symp; whereas Telas was simply a victim of sheepish Day 1 laziness.

Of course, I also expect to survive the Night, as I'm among a handful of people who may make good lynch targets tomorrow ... if that doesn't sound self-emasculating.

I dont like this....why are you symp hunting?
Even if you hit one you not going to know you have....or i it a way of lynching inno's without looking dirty.
If you suspect someone to be a symp then use him to try and find who the killers are...


Anyways ...back to my catching up

[Ruse]

hmmmm

looking at the liosan posts he does seem a bit all over the show...but nothing major scummy sticking out to me.

[Tellan]

Ah, another lynch missed, sigh. Sorry I haven't been around anywhere near enough, finding it hard to find time to access the internet at the moment.

I raised my eyebrows a bit at how quickly the train on Silanah developed. Perhaps not so much in terms of time, but in terms of people not explaining themselves fully before voting that way. I don't disagree with the lynch per se, but my spider sense is tingling for one or two scum hoppers there.

[Ruse]

Is it just me or was yesterday like 6 hours too short?

I fully expected to make it before deadline this morning and low and behold day ended like freaken hours and hours ago?

[Korvalain]

Interestingly enough, I just went back and viewed the posts around the time Liosan was getting serious attention on day one. And guess who is there, muddying the water? That would be you, Ruse. Voting Shadow, after Liosan was the first to vote for him, defending Liosan's post, and getting in a pissing contest with Meanas.

Edit: double cross post w/ Ruse and Tellan.

This post has been edited by Korvalain: 29 May 2009 - 07:35 AM

[Ruse]

Tellan, on May 29 2009, 03:31 AM, said:

Ah, another lynch missed, sigh. Sorry I haven't been around anywhere near enough, finding it hard to find time to access the internet at the moment.

I raised my eyebrows a bit at how quickly the train on Silanah developed. Perhaps not so much in terms of time, but in terms of people not explaining themselves fully before voting that way. I don't disagree with the lynch per se, but my spider sense is tingling for one or two scum hoppers there.

there was another train before the silanah one that also picked up speed pretty quickly...then it quickly shifted to silanah...
Maybe need to look at that....i think it was on ehmur

[Ruse]

Korvalain, on May 29 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

Interestingly enough, I just went back and viewed the posts around the time Liosan was getting serious attention on day one. And guess who is there, muddying the water? That would be you, Ruse. Voting Shadow, after Liosan was the first to vote for him, defending Liosan's post, and getting in a pissing contest with Meanas.

Edit: double cross post w/ Ruse and Tellan.

so what are you saying?
I must wait for other people to keep quiet before i make any noises?

[Korvalain]

Do I really even need to justify that after saying that Liosan didn't "look good. At all."?

[Ruse]

Well i have no problem voting off liosan...there is something there even if it is small...he isnt completely clean to me.
I just dont want to get stuck on one guy....you can go ahead and question the him and put pressure....i will carry on and look somewhere else and see what i can find.

We are looking for scum here...and everyone cant focus on one or two players a day you know.

[Ruse]

Korvalain, on May 29 2009, 03:37 AM, said:

Do I really even need to justify that after saying that Liosan didn't "look good. At all."?

huh?

I agreed he looks a bit scummy but there is nothing solid half the people on this board look a bit scummy....you cant have it your way all the time buddy.
people wont always jump at cases when you make them.

[Korvalain]

Of course they won't. I'm just saying it is strange, and I think it might not be a coincidence. Make your cases on others, and I'll read them.

[Path-Shaper]

The day was the right length - remember it's 32 hours not 36. And it ended less than two hours ago.

It is Night 2. 2 hours and 12 minutes remaining

Players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tellan