[Peanutbutta]

lol if you modkill both it's 6 players and D-Day. Breadmaster better not fuck this up by derailing the Kesso train!

[drinksinbars]

tellans last post was two days ago, but did we have a weekend break?

[drinksinbars]

tellans last post was two days ago, but did we have a weekend break?

[drinksinbars]

liosans was yesterday at 4 am, so just over 38 hours.

[Path-Shaper]

Both Tellan and Lio posted during the weekend, I think everyone else alive has posted today. The modkill freeze ended at 00:01 GMT Monday morning, so they have until 12:00 GMT Tuesday before they will be modkilled.

[Peanutbutta]

Yeah there was a weekend modkill freeze, but not sure how it affects the timers restarting. Do you get 36 hours from your last post not counting the weekend freeze, or 36 hours from the end of the weekend freeze?

[Path-Shaper]

Breadmaster also asking about modkills

Hood's Path said:

Can I ask if it is even possible to get a modkill extension?

Let's say I'm, I dunno, going to a convention for 2 days and won't have internet access. If I inform you sufficiently beforehand, and you're really hurting for players to play in your Mafia game, would you grant me an extension?

Modkill extension are normally granted if the mods are given sufficient warning and only a couple of extra hours are needed. It's up to the mod how they handle it, it doesnt happen often enough for there to be a definite protocol. An extension of more than about 12 hours is unlikely though - the modkill clocks are normally pretty lenient and if you're away for such a long period of time it definitely has an impact on the game. If someone knows they will be away for more than 48 hours or so they will either refrain from playing or asked to be modkilled before they leave, should it be something sudden.

and sharing some thoughts

Hood's Path said:

Goddammit. Either Shadow is scum or he's a guard or some shit and knows something I don't. But I don't understand how he expects me to blindly vote for Kesso on no evidence. Now his case is Kesso's day 1 activity? I mean, what the hell?

[Path-Shaper]

 Peanutbutta, on Jun 1 2009, 05:49 PM, said:

Yeah there was a weekend modkill freeze, but not sure how it affects the timers restarting. Do you get 36 hours from your last post not counting the weekend freeze, or 36 hours from the end of the weekend freeze?

I'm taking it from the end of the weekend freeze, since that's the technical definition. The modkills clocks are frozen. If they are reset, they stay frozen. This is mainly because players can only get online at certain times of the day - if they cant post during the weekend then it's as if Monday followed straight on from Friday modkillwise. If they can play over the weekend then good for them, they get a bit of an extension.

If the opinion of the players deems it, I will re-evaluate my position, but at this point it's mainly Kesso, who is probably looking for any way to get the inno numbers down. Lio and tellan are both from west AFAIK and will likely be on in the next few hours.

[Peanutbutta]

Drek has this shit on LOCKDOWN. From the main thread...



Its kinda like this:

To start, Kesso shows belief in Fener's ability claims prior to the end of night, more so than anyone else, really.

If (at that point, remember) Fener was to be believed, someone on day 1 was roled, either a guard or healer and got their ability bounced back at them and they died. D'riss and Gamelon were the finders.

A matter of minutes after Kesso has logged on and posted, night ends, and no one else has suddenly shown up. There are two deaths. If, as Kesso would believe, Fener's ability was passed onto someone else or was a buddy's and was resonposible for one of the deaths, then one of the dead folk from this past night was the remaining inno role - healer or guard, whichever didn't die night 1.

But, based on the timings, it would seem most probable that Kesso's return triggered the end of night, and it seems unlikely he'd be inno roled since by his own logic the standard 3 inno roles of finder(s), guard and healer are all dead now. So instead I conclude that he is scum and sent in a kill order instead.

[Path-Shaper]

Lio is ment so he should get on after work.

[HoosierDaddy]

Killed while I was asleep. But, hey, at least I was right about Fener! Lol.

[Sixty]

What the fuck. I hope no one misses this:

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 02:48 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Now, Amp, what part of speculating before night ended was scummy or hard to understand.

LOL I never said anything about that, that is all Shadow. the reason I voted for you is because you just joked about my reaction to your post. i got your attention now though.

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Shadow's problem was that there were 2 night kills, causing him to dismiss the entirety of Fener's reveal, but I don't know what that had to do with me. I mentioned that it was a cool role to have for scum, and suddenly I am scum? Like Shadow himself was so fond of pointing out, a grain of lie to distract doesn't make the whole reveal bullshit. There has to be some amount of truth, as much as possible even to make it easy to maintain. But it has no bearing now, because we can't tell what part of the reveal is the truth and which the lie. Ummm...Fucking Regis (Pat Sajack) and Kelly is throwing off my train of thought.

No I still don't think it's a good idea to listen to a fake reveal of a fucking scum, and if you keep saying it is, you're either being scum or no good for the team.

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Okay, as I see it the people hungriest for a lynch, currently Shadow and Ampelas, are most likely scum as they know they're down by 2 and are looking for someone (me, dear God!) who they can drive into the ground based on, what, speculations about a scum reveal? That is so desperate its sad. I'm just having trouble deciding which one of you is more likely the killing killer that kills.

that sounds pretty desperate to me, I was almost going to remove my vote, since all I wanted was a non-joke stance, but now you throw out this shit?

If you'd read my post you'd realize that I specified that it has no bearing because he's dead. I'm not harping on it, so what's your point.

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jun 1 2009, 02:13 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 11:06 AM, said:

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Okay, as I see it the people hungriest for a lynch, currently Shadow and Ampelas, are most likely scum as they know they're down by 2 and are looking for someone (me, dear God!) who they can drive into the ground based on, what, speculations about a scum reveal? That is so desperate its sad. I'm just having trouble deciding which one of you is more likely the killing killer that kills.

that sounds pretty desperate to me, I was almost going to remove my vote, since all I wanted was a non-joke stance, but now you throw out this shit?

And now the other person who jumped on Kesso for no reason refuses to get off on the basis of very flimsy evidence. I really wish I knew what was going on here.

Its kinda like this:

To start, Kesso shows belief in Fener's ability claims prior to the end of night, more so than anyone else, really.

If (at that point, remember) Fener was to be believed, someone on day 1 was roled, either a guard or healer and got their ability bounced back at them and they died. D'riss and Gamelon were the finders.

A matter of minutes after Kesso has logged on and posted, night ends, and no one else has suddenly shown up. There are two deaths. If, as Kesso would believe, Fener's ability was passed onto someone else or was a buddy's and was resonposible for one of the deaths, then one of the dead folk from this past night was the remaining inno role - healer or guard, whichever didn't die night 1.

But, based on the timings, it would seem most probable that Kesso's return triggered the end of night, and it seems unlikely he'd be inno roled since by his own logic the standard 3 inno roles of finder(s), guard and healer are all dead now. So instead I conclude that he is scum and sent in a kill order instead.

Uh, hmmm, ya 10 minutes later, but I always put in a provisional so it couldn't have been me. I had mine in long before I went to bed. And it came back same as always, Shadow is scum. D'riss is Scum. Meanas is scum. Ruse is scum. And HP is scum. What else can I say, I'm insane finder. I'm not the most useful role. But I had a provisional in, it wasn't me who ended night.

Kesso claims insane finder and that he found Meanas as scum->inno. =/

This post has been edited by Sixty: 01 June 2009 - 06:51 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Lol, that isnt an insane finder, it's a paranoid finder

[Path-Shaper]

And more from our new player.

Hood's Path said:

Does Shadow honestly believe that if he just keeps talking in circles of half-truth I will eventually buy what he is selling? Whatever, I am done defending Kesso. He can defend himself or go down being an idiot. And if he CFs inno, I will vig Shadow's ass so hard...

And if they both come up inno, then Shadow is definitely the bigger idiot of the two, and I take no responsibility for losing the game.

Shadow is on the right track and has more than enough info to build a rock solid case on Kesso. Let's hope his failure to do so doesnt cost the team.

[Sixty]

Is there a difference? =/

[Peanutbutta]

ROFL.... Morg45 is going to blow it again.

Quote

Uh, hmmm, ya 10 minutes later, but I always put in a provisional so it couldn't have been me. I had mine in long before I went to bed. And it came back same as always, Shadow is scum. D'riss is Scum. Meanas is scum. Ruse is scum. And HP is scum. What else can I say, I'm insane finder. I'm not the most useful role. But I had a provisional in, it wasn't me who ended night.

Not only is INSANE finder going to return the opposite, but HE JUST LISTED 5 PLAYERS WHEN THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN FOUR NIGHTS.

He's so fucking lynched rofl

[Peanutbutta]

And he just made it worse by confirming it wasn't a misspeak.

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 12:01 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jun 1 2009, 02:56 PM, said:

@Kesso: Is that the order you found them in? Shadow night 1, D'riss night 2, etc.?

Yes, that is. That's also why I was trying to pressure Shadow a little bit on day 2. At the time however, after my read of him there was nothing I could find to build a case on, and so I left it. I didn't want to reveal at that time, as even insane finders are good targets for killers.

Breadmaster is smart enough to do the math but if he isn't, I think Gem figures it out and Kesso gets the noose.

edit: Not sure why nobody else saw 5 find results and immediately figured it out. Look at Path-Shaper's posts. It says Day 5... lol. What a huge mistake M45.

This post has been edited by Peanutbutta: 01 June 2009 - 07:02 PM

[Path-Shaper]

 Sixty, on Jun 1 2009, 06:50 PM, said:

What the fuck. I hope no one misses this:

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 02:48 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Now, Amp, what part of speculating before night ended was scummy or hard to understand.

LOL I never said anything about that, that is all Shadow. the reason I voted for you is because you just joked about my reaction to your post. i got your attention now though.

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Shadow's problem was that there were 2 night kills, causing him to dismiss the entirety of Fener's reveal, but I don't know what that had to do with me. I mentioned that it was a cool role to have for scum, and suddenly I am scum? Like Shadow himself was so fond of pointing out, a grain of lie to distract doesn't make the whole reveal bullshit. There has to be some amount of truth, as much as possible even to make it easy to maintain. But it has no bearing now, because we can't tell what part of the reveal is the truth and which the lie. Ummm...Fucking Regis (Pat Sajack) and Kelly is throwing off my train of thought.

No I still don't think it's a good idea to listen to a fake reveal of a fucking scum, and if you keep saying it is, you're either being scum or no good for the team.

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Okay, as I see it the people hungriest for a lynch, currently Shadow and Ampelas, are most likely scum as they know they're down by 2 and are looking for someone (me, dear God!) who they can drive into the ground based on, what, speculations about a scum reveal? That is so desperate its sad. I'm just having trouble deciding which one of you is more likely the killing killer that kills.

that sounds pretty desperate to me, I was almost going to remove my vote, since all I wanted was a non-joke stance, but now you throw out this shit?

If you'd read my post you'd realize that I specified that it has no bearing because he's dead. I'm not harping on it, so what's your point.

 Shadow, on Jun 1 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jun 1 2009, 02:13 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jun 1 2009, 11:06 AM, said:

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Okay, as I see it the people hungriest for a lynch, currently Shadow and Ampelas, are most likely scum as they know they're down by 2 and are looking for someone (me, dear God!) who they can drive into the ground based on, what, speculations about a scum reveal? That is so desperate its sad. I'm just having trouble deciding which one of you is more likely the killing killer that kills.

that sounds pretty desperate to me, I was almost going to remove my vote, since all I wanted was a non-joke stance, but now you throw out this shit?

And now the other person who jumped on Kesso for no reason refuses to get off on the basis of very flimsy evidence. I really wish I knew what was going on here.

Its kinda like this:

To start, Kesso shows belief in Fener's ability claims prior to the end of night, more so than anyone else, really.

If (at that point, remember) Fener was to be believed, someone on day 1 was roled, either a guard or healer and got their ability bounced back at them and they died. D'riss and Gamelon were the finders.

A matter of minutes after Kesso has logged on and posted, night ends, and no one else has suddenly shown up. There are two deaths. If, as Kesso would believe, Fener's ability was passed onto someone else or was a buddy's and was resonposible for one of the deaths, then one of the dead folk from this past night was the remaining inno role - healer or guard, whichever didn't die night 1.

But, based on the timings, it would seem most probable that Kesso's return triggered the end of night, and it seems unlikely he'd be inno roled since by his own logic the standard 3 inno roles of finder(s), guard and healer are all dead now. So instead I conclude that he is scum and sent in a kill order instead.

Uh, hmmm, ya 10 minutes later, but I always put in a provisional so it couldn't have been me. I had mine in long before I went to bed. And it came back same as always, Shadow is scum. D'riss is Scum. Meanas is scum. Ruse is scum. And HP is scum. What else can I say, I'm insane finder. I'm not the most useful role. But I had a provisional in, it wasn't me who ended night.

Kesso claims insane finder and that he found Meanas as scum->inno. =/

He could get away with it because if he was then as far as he knows his role just said finder.....So he might not know if it was insane or paraniod....It isn't like he can claim to know what he is claiming to be....

Vengeance

[Path-Shaper]

 Peanutbutta, on Jun 1 2009, 07:02 PM, said:

And he just made it worse by confirming it wasn't a misspeak.

 Kessobahn, on Jun 1 2009, 12:01 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jun 1 2009, 02:56 PM, said:

@Kesso: Is that the order you found them in? Shadow night 1, D'riss night 2, etc.?

Yes, that is. That's also why I was trying to pressure Shadow a little bit on day 2. At the time however, after my read of him there was nothing I could find to build a case on, and so I left it. I didn't want to reveal at that time, as even insane finders are good targets for killers.

Breadmaster is smart enough to do the math but if he isn't, I think Gem figures it out and Kesso gets the noose.

edit: Not sure why nobody else saw 5 find results and immediately figured it out. Look at Path-Shaper's posts. It says Day 5... lol. What a huge mistake M45.

Wow I totally agree....He was counting the days not the nights....Dohhhhh....

As soon as someone picks up on that he is toast....

[Path-Shaper]

Lol, noone has picked up on it yet. As you said, someone likely will. Some fast talking may let Kesso survive today, but he's more than likely going to get guarded to death tonight.

Insane finders get the opposite results from what they normally should. So scum CF inno and inno CF scum. It's still a fairly useful role, if the player doesnt out himself on day two thinking he has found scum. Paranoid finders on the other hand will only ever receive scum CFs, no matter who they do a find on, as opposed to naive finders who will always get back inno.