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I like the cartoon. Even though it simplifies matters in a way that is sadly reflected in many historical observations. Lest we forget, the Jews were not the only groups targetted, though they were by far the most numerous. We have the homosexuals (for being gay), the gypsies (for being homeless), jehovahs witnesses (for not wanting to take up arms and fight (incidentally, they were the only people that could get out with a single signature; only a few did)), the political adversaries, dissidents, etc., etc.
BTW, I failed to see Bubba getting slaughtered at the whims of the (anonymous) internet generation. But if people have issues with christianity, maybe they should try to make a distinction between the church (the institution) and the (original) belief. OTOH, I think these boards are quite polite, even though it can get tough at times. Maybe SE readers are more aware of the different POVs that can all have some valid points, just as the series characters do.
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Posted 24 August 2009 - 01:45 PM
you can't say Jews were being murdered off the face of the planet due to religion. All that mattered is that either you had a jewish parent, a jewish-sounding name, or the right shape of nose, with nobody asking anything, about religious matters or otherwise. it didn't mean anything if the son of a jewish mother was christian or whatever else - it's about race, not religion. the Jews were the scapegoat, aye, being the outsiders in all of Europe made hating them "popular", or instinctive. Judaism as a religion is not the issue here, the issue is with blaming all faults on the "Them", and it's a purely nationalistic sentiment.
you are also forgetting that the Holocaust didn't only include Jews, but also Gypsies, Slavs, non-Europeans, homosexuals and the handicapped. if you really want victims on religious basis, you can count christian clergy - catholic and orthodox - in the East, and given the christian nature of the Nazi state, these were political murders of potential local leaders, rather than cleansing of heathens.
if you want to link intolerance to the Holocaust, don't narrow it down to religion. intolerance about ANYTHING, combined with the right social mood and a raging majority, can lead to disasters like it.
you are also forgetting that the Holocaust didn't only include Jews, but also Gypsies, Slavs, non-Europeans, homosexuals and the handicapped. if you really want victims on religious basis, you can count christian clergy - catholic and orthodox - in the East, and given the christian nature of the Nazi state, these were political murders of potential local leaders, rather than cleansing of heathens.
if you want to link intolerance to the Holocaust, don't narrow it down to religion. intolerance about ANYTHING, combined with the right social mood and a raging majority, can lead to disasters like it.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
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Posted 24 August 2009 - 01:52 PM
cauthon, on Aug 20 2009, 04:10 PM, said:
if people have issues with christianity, maybe they should try to make a distinction between the church (the institution) and the (original) belief.
well, the institution is corrupted, but not everywhere - we mostly hear about the bad guys, but some of the clergy, specifically monks, do a lot of good work (like gardening, herding, praying, not bothering people. monastery-made food is the best you can get these days!). with the belief, it's a similar situation - the general rules concerning being nice to people, that's kind of cool, I'll agree, but I see the actual mythos as just that - myths, and something that shouldn't really give you any ideas. to me a discussion about Noah's Ark and the Flood, or the coming of Christ, Abe, Adam and Eve etc., has similar meaning like discussing Loki orchestrating Baldr's death, Compe Anansie's trickery, Thor's exploits in the lands of the Giants or the birth of Aphrodite - it's just cool(ish) stories, and taking them as even a metaphorical account of events past is just silly in my eyes and should be let go.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
