[Path-Shaper]

HoosierDaddy, on May 13 2009, 01:31 AM, said:

Hmmm. That abrupt leaving might cause more problems for Shin. The problem with being killer is you have to think about what team INNO is going to think about what you are doing.

That's why I make many cases when a post is a bit "off" - killers overthink.

[bwgan]

Oh, blinkin heck JA - I haven't read the game thread this morning yet, but I really hope you are around for any lynch/night. I might just die of fright. Best go and read up I guess.

Don't you think inno roles can be guilty of overthinking as well though?

[bwgan]

Phew ~ the way you guys were talking (or at least my interpretation of it ) I thought a lynch was imminent.

JA ~ I will be around and about most of today, but in and out () um...if you see what I mean.

I am glad I am not Shin though...it was bad enough when I opened my pm in the vampire game...

[Path-Shaper]

I'm also in and out, but I expect quiet until the afternoon.

Hopefully SirT or Gavin can cover the day time out.

[Path-Shaper]

dktorode not digging it:

Silanah said:

Not enjoying this spam.

It just convolutes everything....hate it man...just hate it.

I agree, I don't know what it is with Vengeance and Benses games, but he's really going wild.

At least last time he had the excuse of being heavily medicated

[Tapper]

HoosierDaddy, on May 13 2009, 07:09 AM, said:

I've played twice. Been killer twice. I don't know how it is to play inno, but I can't imagine it is as pressure packed or fraught with peril as killer. Catching the skimming is a FANTASTIC move and would have busted my ass in the last game, but not the first.

As RI/ inno in general, you usually experience pressure of a different kind, namely annoyance with everyone else, and once you have decided that a certain someone is making sense and that you can, in fact, trust that person, you always have the nagging feeling you are being played by scum.

Don't underestimate the comfort of having all the relevant information gives as a killer... it is completely different and I found it gave me a lot of rest as you're a lot more free in your choices as long as you play clean (which, incidentally, is something I'm pretty good at) - tension only comes when you are about to lose a partner or when it is do or die, and then it's the same for inno's as for you.

And yeah, killers usually don't read the thread as good as inno's - or better, they read it in a different way: vote patterns, who dislikes whom, searching for codes... they give shit all what kind of cases are made as long as they're not implicated .

Right now, the best move for the symp, imho, would be to silence Shin tomorrow and try to plead not-guilty that way. Bag of wifom.

Also, Venge is probably trying to make sure he dies before the weekend The man is going crazy... I'm generally not a huge fan of this kind of spam, but well, it isn't the first time he does this - he did the same in Ment's game where he decided he was going to pretend for a full day being forced to talk in funny ways...

This post has been edited by Tapper: 13 May 2009 - 09:35 AM

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alt has some advice for his Peanutlova:

Tennes said:

Well Rash is obviously Venge.

Feel free to keep playing a little crazy, just dont make yourself look too much like a symp. Remember, BB knows who UB is, so fake symping isnt going to save you from an NK the way it would in most other games. You might get kept around if you're sowing discord, but we dont really want that. Still, point fingers and see what you can unearth, I will play slightly more middle of the road. If you get under serious pressure I'm not going to go out of my way to defend you - the killers will be keeping a careful eye out for paired players, after the number of roled pairs last game.

Last game there were three pairs, cant remember exactly what they were, but I think one was an RI pair, the other a guard pair. I doubt the setup will be exactly the same as last game. I'm thinking solo finder, since paired might be too strong. I doubt there would be paired vigs either, the game might be a bit too small for that many extra NKs. So max single vig, single finder, paired healers, guards and us. That might be bit role heavy, but BB shifting really screws things over.

Not that either of us can possibly mention it on thread, but a reasonable amount of spam is actually important this game. Like I said, the last game was very pair-heavy and we need somewhere to hide our codes. I was really hoping my code would fall in the middle of more important stuff, since the killers will definitely be looking. And dont pretend to be silenced, someone did that last time and it confused the crap out of everyone.

Shin is feeling the pressure:

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I always knew the pressure was on the killers in mafia, and this is my first chance to experience it. But with the whole silencing thing and the fact that it's only ME as killer, I feel obligated to make it a good long game for everyone. I.E. don't get found too fast so the game ends early. This is fun, and I feel lucky to be playing my first killer, BUT, it's a little unlucky to have the responsibility of being the ONE killer in my first game as scum.

When you think about it, there are 15 players and only 1 killer (who can soul shift once). 15 vs. 2+1 scum total. That means I really need to last at LEAST 4 nights to make a scum win possible. Anything less will leave a hell of a tap dance for the new BB. Assuming my symp doesn't get lynched and I last 4 nights, that would be 7 on 2. Or even better if a vigilante takes out some wrong people. After that, if I'm killed, there's at least a decent chance of winning, especially if Ruse can be in a position to push votes on others and possibly take a lynch for the team one of the nights. And, if I've picked a good target to move into.

Thoughts on the soul shift - it makes no sense to me to shift into uncle ben, since that would eliminate his chance to be helpful and makes the numbers ratio worse. Plus, the silencing ability is fun, and can be used in interesting ways, but it isn't necessary for the killer to have. It would be much better to figure out as best as I can who is a roled inno, so big ben can use that power and eliminate its threat, too.

I'm tempted to play a controlled but aggressive game to be honest, given the last couple of games, but I'm going to play it by ear at first. I don't want to make a "strategy", because I don't want any obligation to follow something like that. (I like to believe) I'm better when I'm making it up as I go along.

I just hope I don't gain the mafia reputation of the Big Ben who got found the first night.... <knock on wood>

[Path-Shaper]

Some pretty good alt-guessed from alt

Tennes said:

These are most likely all completely wrong, but I'll give it a bash.

Telas = grief
Sil = DK
Rash = venge

I would also guess that Lio = shin, since he's been on at random times. There's a whole lump of alts I'm pretty sure are the americans, but there's 4 or 5 playing and I cant really tell them apart yet.

[Path-Shaper]

Some PMs

Rashan/Vengeance:

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So should I send all of my spam to you guys in SH. I must say that it was deliciously evil to spam that much on day one. My ulcer in my eye is getting a little better now it just feels like a poker rather then a hot poker in the eye.

I hate CNBC the fuckers are showing all of these foreclosed homes. Well there aren't enough in the neighborhoods that I want to live in. Stupid irritating bullshit.

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I would enjoy vigging Meanas or Lioson tonight.

Thoughts?

Ummm, you are Meanas.

ANd no, we only get one vig, lets save it for a minute. Late game it could be very useful.

And Silanah is scummy as hell.

Rashan I meant.

And we get two. We each get 1 I think. CC'ing PS to verify.

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Seems Bent is letting Obdi loose:

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I would enjoy vigging Meanas or Lioson tonight.

Thoughts?

Ummm, you are Meanas.

ANd no, we only get one vig, lets save it for a minute. Late game it could be very useful.

And Silanah is scummy as hell.

Rashan I meant.

And we get two. We each get 1 I think. CC'ing PS to verify.

Yes, you each have one. Although for each vig I'll need approbation of both players.

Ok, you want to use one on day 1, thats fine by me. I'll leave it up to you as to who you use it on. PS, I confirm whatever Meanas says about tonights vig.

Cool?

And more bizarre Vengeance:

Rashan said:

Come on JA how long can I keep this Grief act up before people decide to lynch me. Scum will keep me around hopefully till day 3 when I am going to fake being silenced.

But hey, he has plans so what can I say:

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Hood's Path is playing like Scum. Right now he is my number one suspect.... He is looking for a band wagon to get on and trying to hide behind my bullshit. Well the bullshit is there to draw the scum to it. Muahahahahahah


Now I just need to find the other one.


Also all of this shit about Spamming and what not I could really care less. Everyone does it when it is in their favor to do so. Spamming is kind of like reverse lurking.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 13 May 2009 - 03:16 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Im off for a bit

JA

[Path-Shaper]

I've stepped into P-S shoes...about to add some pms.

- bwgan

[Path-Shaper]

Okay the first is a prov from Korv

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Provisional guard on Kesso

Gavin - I think I saw you...should I delete a prov NA pm?

[Jump Around]

Put the night action provisionals in the first (Second?) post, so it's easy to be up-to-date. I put some there already.

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D'rutta - message entitled Stuff

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Well Rash is obviously Venge.

Feel free to keep playing a little crazy, just dont make yourself look too much like a symp. Remember, BB knows who UB is, so fake symping isnt going to save you from an NK the way it would in most other games. You might get kept around if you're sowing discord, but we dont really want that. Still, point fingers and see what you can unearth, I will play slightly more middle of the road. If you get under serious pressure I'm not going to go out of my way to defend you - the killers will be keeping a careful eye out for paired players, after the number of roled pairs last game.

Last game there were three pairs, cant remember exactly what they were, but I think one was an RI pair, the other a guard pair. I doubt the setup will be exactly the same as last game. I'm thinking solo finder, since paired might be too strong. I doubt there would be paired vigs either, the game might be a bit too small for that many extra NKs. So max single vig, single finder, paired healers, guards and us. That might be bit role heavy, but BB shifting really screws things over.

Not that either of us can possibly mention it on thread, but a reasonable amount of spam is actually important this game. Like I said, the last game was very pair-heavy and we need somewhere to hide our codes. I was really hoping my code would fall in the middle of more important stuff, since the killers will definitely be looking. And dont pretend to be silenced, someone did that last time and it confused the crap out of everyone. tongue.gif

lol okay. Honestly, if I get NK'd so be it. My death will offer you CI and Telas PI (WIFOM Or not, no way Telas kills me tonight so he wouldn't be killer). Yes it's useful to have paired players near the end with double votes, but I'm not going to play scared.

That said, my first REAL guess for killer is Kessobahn. He jumped in the game early, said he'd vote the next person to limerick (so he'd have a reason to throw a vote), and then hasn't offered a lot else.

Path-Shaper, provisional do nothing on Kessobahn because I am roleless.

[Path-Shaper]

Hi JA...you are back. Okay - have changed the post - highlighted the change so you can see the course of events and delete the old actions as you wish. Will delete the pms then hop back out for you!

- bwgan


Edit: There was NO change...I just misread the post.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 13 May 2009 - 04:39 PM

[Jump Around]

No, you can stay if you want, just tell me when you have to go.

Tag team FTW!

[bwgan]

I swear I haven't been drinking....I will have to go back into P-S, because I put the prov NA in the wrong place in the post... *sigh* what a dolt...will hop in and change it now...I am making myself dizzy!


PS...is it only me that wants to write silenerisgolden as the password every time?

[Path-Shaper]

Okay, I'm off for a couple of hours...be back after tea. Laters!

[Path-Shaper]

Vengeance keeps enjoying his day 1:

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I am Vengeance fear me....:snigger:

Well if HP is scum I should die tonight. If I am not lynched first. I would like to point out that the one thing that I haven't done is to go all Emo on the thread like people have done in the last games. It is one of my goals to make sure that no one else does either that just fucks the innocents over.

Bent disagrees:

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Work sucks right now. I'll be back and forth so if you need to discuss anything, be patient for a little while. Im beginning to think you may be right about Rashan, after that BS case he built. Granted my case is shitty as well, but his was "I was spamming to catch people"...whatever.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 13 May 2009 - 06:00 PM