[Path-Shaper]

FenerBent seems to enjoy the vig:

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Oops. Guess Obi and I was wrong. But funny as shit that we got you! HAHAHAHAHAA. And if its any consolation, I was meh about vigging ay one. But, if one of use dies, we dont keep the vig. This way we can keep one vig safe for at least 2 more nights. Anyway, sorry man, you were hiding, so we ended up thinking you were scum. For spoilers. I think Sil is probably inno. But im going to push the lynch, cause whoever it is, is in the way and causing all kinds of shit.

Korvalain and Telas are my top 2 suspectgs right now. Any chance you can explain why venge got mod-killed. Personally I think it was a stunt, but I'd like to know.

[Path-Shaper]

I'm stepping out for a bit, with one vote down it should be quiet until bwgan gets here

JA

[Gem Windcaster]

I am still pissed that I didn't get to rp more. It was so much fun.

- Gem, is feeling rather narcissistic at the moment.

[Sir Thursday]

So, it's Dkt versus the scum at the moment, then? I thought Sixty's distancing was pretty good in his list of suspects - cast some suspicion on Ruse, but nothing especially strong...that particularly entry won't stick out if he gets lynched and they realise he was UB.

Oh, quick question - if Gamelon were to be hit by a vig, would his target still be silenced the following day?

Sir Thursday

[Sir Thursday]

Oooh, now Obdi has his sights on Ruse. It's getting interesting .


Sir Thursday

[Vengeance]

Gem Windcaster, on May 14 2009, 08:14 AM, said:

I am still pissed that I didn't get to rp more. It was so much fun.

- Gem, is feeling rather narcissistic at the moment.

I got enough in for both of us...

[Path-Shaper]

Because I am feeling Generous here are the PM's


Fent titled for Malaese

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Oops. Guess Obi and I was wrong. But funny as shit that we got you! HAHAHAHAHAA. And if its any consolation, I was meh about vigging ay one. But, if one of use dies, we dont keep the vig. This way we can keep one vig safe for at least 2 more nights. Anyway, sorry man, you were hiding, so we ended up thinking you were scum. For spoilers. I think Sil is probably inno. But im going to push the lynch, cause whoever it is, is in the way and causing all kinds of shit.

Korvalain and Telas are my top 2 suspectgs right now. Any chance you can explain why venge got mod-killed. Personally I think it was a stunt, but I'd like to know.

Vengeance made the request. I'm quite sure I would have refused it myself, but at that time I was snoring my ass off, so I won't double-guess the decision of the backup mod who was nice enough to help me.

But I think we should stop with the "I'm angry" modkill requests, because that's not fair for either team. I also know that when the player cools down he may regret his request. It used to be people were going for the "lynch me" card to flaunt their inno CF, but now it's moved to new depths.

JA

Ruse

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Lol, Obdi figured it out fast. Fuck...

Fent

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Im alt hiding, hell, they already brought up me from last game. So Im low posting and middle of the packing.

Ruse

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Well, if Obdi's a vig then I'm fucked.

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Silanah

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I WANT VIGS

give me some vigs so a can take care of fener and meanas pretty please....im really not in the mood for this dumb shit anymore.
Either they are as thick as to planks or they are scum...either way they must GO.
I will not be able to build a case on either untill monday....suckTASTIC.

but SEXPO will make up for it....oooh yea bitches!!...this time im gonna take more pictures.

Gamelon

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Not really worried about silanah. It's just speculation, but it doesn't seem like a "finder starting a case" sort of attack. If anything, I'm worried about that case clueing a finder onto me tonight.

I'm considering changing my provisional. I killed a poster who was a bit of a coaster. It might be advantageous to target a poster who steps up to be more vocal today, who may be thinking I'll strike a coaster type again. Korv for the most part disappearing today doesn't strike me as trying to hide.

Yeah, see also the tells thread. I constntly rail and say im gonna ask for one, but until last game, i never did. And the only reason I did the last game, was because I felt that me being around caused pm discussion to come back up, so I was helpng team evil. Little did I know that you were team evil and kept bringing it up, lol. But anyway. People stopped having fun a long time ago, and the insults piss people off. Which is the very reason I ban insults when Im a mod. Anyway, I thought this game would be laid back, not sure why anyone is requesting modkill actually, Ive not seen anything that was mean or hurtful enough to get anyone to request one. Weird. Must be the full moon. Also I love lamp.

Vengeance giving a helping hand.

I left the messages in the box but they have been read.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 14 May 2009 - 02:49 PM

[bwgan]

I'm having a nightmare day sorry. Appointment this a.m. over ran by hours and now I have to go out again...useless mod is useless. Will have a quick look at game thread...and hope nothing happens unless someone clever is around...


Edit: Oh, look someone clever is around!

This post has been edited by bwgan: 14 May 2009 - 03:04 PM

[Gem Windcaster]

Was that a brilliant find from morgoth45 or is it just a coincidence? Freudian slip?

[Sir Thursday]

Gem Windcaster, on May 14 2009, 04:23 PM, said:

Was that a brilliant find from morgoth45 or is it just a coincidence? Freudian slip?

I have no idea what he's trying to imply there...coincidence, if anything, I think we'd have heard about it in SH if it was anything else.


Sir Thursday

[Path-Shaper]

I'm back, with many PMs:

Little modkill convo with Bent:

Fener said:

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Oops. Guess Obi and I was wrong. But funny as shit that we got you! HAHAHAHAHAA. And if its any consolation, I was meh about vigging ay one. But, if one of use dies, we dont keep the vig. This way we can keep one vig safe for at least 2 more nights. Anyway, sorry man, you were hiding, so we ended up thinking you were scum. For spoilers. I think Sil is probably inno. But im going to push the lynch, cause whoever it is, is in the way and causing all kinds of shit.

Korvalain and Telas are my top 2 suspectgs right now. Any chance you can explain why venge got mod-killed. Personally I think it was a stunt, but I'd like to know.

Vengeance made the request. I'm quite sure I would have refused it myself, but at that time I was snoring my ass off, so I won't double-guess the decision of the backup mod who was nice enough to help me.

But I think we should stop with the "I'm angry" modkill requests, because that's not fair for either team. I also know that when the player cools down he may regret his request. It used to be people were going for the "lynch me" card to flaunt their inno CF, but now it's moved to new depths.

JA

Yeah, see also the tells thread. I constntly rail and say im gonna ask for one, but until last game, i never did. And the only reason I did the last game, was because I felt that me being around caused pm discussion to come back up, so I was helpng team evil. Little did I know that you were team evil and kept bringing it up, lol. But anyway. People stopped having fun a long time ago, and the insults piss people off. Which is the very reason I ban insults when Im a mod. Anyway, I thought this game would be laid back, not sure why anyone is requesting modkill actually, Ive not seen anything that was mean or hurtful enough to get anyone to request one. Weird. Must be the full moon. Also I love lamp.

Fener said:

Im alt hiding, hell, they already brought up me from last game. So Im low posting and middle of the packing.

From Uncle Sixty:

Ruse said:

Lol, Obdi figured it out fast. Fuck...

Ruse said:

Well, if Obdi's a vig then I'm fucked.

=/

I'm not sure who he thinks is Obdi

[Path-Shaper]

dktorode is spotting the lovers:

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I WANT VIGS

give me some vigs so a can take care of fener and meanas pretty please....im really not in the mood for this dumb shit anymore.
Either they are as thick as to planks or they are scum...either way they must GO.
I will not be able to build a case on either untill monday....suckTASTIC.

but SEXPO will make up for it....oooh yea bitches!!...this time im gonna take more pictures.

Ironically, THEY are the vigs

Silanah said:

They dont know me that wel do they?

i ALWAYS post angry style....jesus...poor guys...

Big Shin:

Gamelon said:

Not really worried about silanah. It's just speculation, but it doesn't seem like a "finder starting a case" sort of attack. If anything, I'm worried about that case clueing a finder onto me tonight.

I'm considering changing my provisional. I killed a poster who was a bit of a coaster. It might be advantageous to target a poster who steps up to be more vocal today, who may be thinking I'll strike a coaster type again. Korv for the most part disappearing today doesn't strike me as trying to hide.

[Path-Shaper]

Lover vigs convo:

Meanas said:

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Do not attempt to defend me from Ruse.

Please.

I didn't think I was, merely agreeing with your case, and how it fits in with my case on Sil. As a matter of fact, if push comes to shove, I think it would be okay to vig Ruse. But, I'd still like to get him lynched and use our vig on the second coming of BB. Emur connected us, the fucker.

Yea I posted that before I posted the case on him.

Thats fine, Emur is terrible, and Silanah is overreacting, and him and ruse covering each other are odd as hell to me, especially since noone else is looking at it.

And the sheep go BAAAAAA. ANyway, im hiding right now, even though I probably shouldn't heres a question....why do I feel like Im scum? lol. Also, Sil is DK right? Is this how DK plays scum? I don't remember. Oh and I am off for 4 days after today, so should have tons of time to play after today. I really don't like how everyone CI's Emur, because he was the day one silence. But Im not about to throw that to the wolves, not yet, anyway.

By the phone and sexpo, its DK. The posting times are right as well. I don't know how DK plays scum, cuz I never, ever, understand wtf he thinks hes doing. HE baffles me every time he plays a game, because it seems so strange to me.

Yes we need to cooldown on the accusations, even if WE ARE ALWAYS CORRECT.

Ahem.

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By the phone and sexpo, its DK. The posting times are right as well. I don't know how DK plays scum, cuz I never, ever, understand wtf he thinks hes doing. HE baffles me every time he plays a game, because it seems so strange to me.

Yes we need to cooldown on the accusations, even if WE ARE ALWAYS CORRECT.

Ahem.

The Korvalian thing on Gamelon has to be the dumbest thing ever, but scum has been lynched on less. But Wow, why the fuck would BB tell UB to silence someone, Emur is riding along on that like it makes sense. WTF? I hate this game. lol

[Sir Thursday]

Kudos to M45 for spotting the connection between Meanas and Fener. Unfortunately he has found paired vigilantes, not scum .

And I have to say, it sounds like Obdi and Bent are going about this completely the wrong way. Some of those PMs sound like they're playing as scum...the idea is not to kill off people who are attacking you, it's to kill off people who could possibly be BB/UB. Even if they hit Ruse with a vig tonight, it'll be terrible play that they are lucky to have got away with, not perceptive play in spotting BB, as far as I can tell.


Sir Thursday

[Malaese]

I had some thoughts about the game last night, I don't know how good or bad they are.

1. I just reread the mafia pointers thread and there are a lot of funny jokes in there about how to play certain roles, but very little actually good information. Maybe someone should start with a good write-up of how to play roleless inno. It also reinforces bad meta play with always lynch this guy day 1 type of stuff.
2. Modkills for inactivity should be like a yellow card and requested modkills should be a red card.
3. Vigs I personally think vigs shouldn't activate until Night 2, too many people are irresponsible with them or use them as vendetta's for alt guesses which is against the spirit of the rules. Gem getting a vig Day 4 last game worked really well, random Day 1 vigs don't.

Inno's are basically one giant team and you have to expect that 13-20 people aren't going to get along, but for new players like me I can only go off of what I see other people doing in games. You can rail on Pb for trying something new, but you have to admit he's just emulating what he's seen in past games. For new players it's about learning what works and doesn't work in games. I learned my second game that lurking trap play as an inno is frowned upon, wish I'd read that somewhere first.

Set up a mentor or critique system where people ask for honest opinions about their play? While playing in 44 I thought I was playing the worst game in the world and was getting slammed so hard in thread I didn't really want to play here any more. A kind word from the mod at the time and talking to Bent afterwards changed my mind. But nobody every actually teaches you how to play right or points out what you could have done better. It's just omg so and so is really fucking up the game.

People need to learn that it's one player to an alt. There is no need to tell someone in the game how to play the game, they aren't going to listen to you and you are going to make the situation worse (re: pissing contests). For better or worse I'll play my game in my alt over here and you play your game in your alt over there. Remember you don't have all the information about the game either and maybe I'm doing something (revealing paired lovers) for a very good reason!

Pb and I have got a couple people interested in playing here after rereading games, but I'm not entirely convinced I want to reccomend the site any more with the current trend of things. That may sound emo, but it's honest.

I want to give props to Veng for making RI fun in the current game. I was into it and you should have stuck with it. Remember this is a game and support the people that draw the role peasant #5, you need them to have bigger games, veteran or new player alike. Veterans need to support the RI draw as well. You can read a million SH's and see the boo's and hisses when a veteran draws it, what are the new players to think then other than it's a shit role?

[bwgan]

@Mal - I agree with a lot you say. I have been v lucky in my games so far, but honestly feel it was luck rather than judgement. Will answer more later, but I best check the game thread and P-S, because I have been a very bad mod today...

[Jump Around]

Mal, I could try to do something like this. It's true that the "pointers" thread is mostly inside jokes more than helpful stuff.

[Path-Shaper]

PM from Telas re NA. (2nd? post updated to reflect the request. I will reply to say request is noted.)

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Investigate Ruse please.

Edit: This is forgetul fred...aka bwgan

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[Path-Shaper]

@Mal

Your points in order.

1. That would be great, and JA if you could do that I would be your #1 fan. I know everyone says 'just jump in and play, it's the best way to learn'...and I agree it is, but it's not the only way, and its also a good way to learn bad habits!

2. Not sure what you mean...is that in relation to the next game? Seems a bit harsh, it's not always possible to know what is going to happen...look at me today. I should have been around almost all day...but I haven't been able to. If someone repeatedly does it then maybe, but I don't think that has happened...but I could be wrong...it's not unkown!

3. Seems fair and reasonable, but I guess it would be down to the mod whose game it is...I don't think any rules are set in stone are they.

I love the mentor idea, but I'm a bit of a feedback junkie (good or bad)...I will say though that supportive (neutral) mods are the only reason I felt able to continue to play. More to do with my own self doubt than any personality attack.

As for RP, I love it...and it got me lynched! I know, I know spam is terrible, but you can rp without it being spam. Well I think you can.

- bwgan

[Path-Shaper]

Ruxty with a pm titled Thoughts

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So at the moment I'm going to try and push a lynch on meanas. I'm getting the feeling that he and fener are paired, so hopefully/maybe Gamelon will NK one tonight.

Meanwhile, I'm fucking scared that Liosan/Obdi will realize it was me who silenced him and build a case. I know I haven't been perfectly clean so far and there's bound to be a minor slip or two here or there.

If Meanas is lynched, he'll CF inno, possibly reducing credibility unless I can convince people that Fener is his master. But once Fener CFs inno, I'm more or less fucked. I imagine there can't be more than another vig out there so as long as it doesn't land on me I should be set to keep pushing the game around for a couple more lynches. We're at 11 players right now, minus a vig gives us 10. So we need another 3-4 days worth of lynches. :/

Actually, that sounds pretty tough. I wanted to lay low for a while longer, but everyone's starting to focus there and it means I have to get out.

Worried Ruxty is worried!


- bwgan