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lord of tragedy, on May 11 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

ice write cool action sequences? not in ROTCG.

What?! There are HEAPS of awesome action sequences. Rell is a total badass,

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Topper vs. Cowl

, Laseen, any of the Avowed sequences,

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Tayschrenn vs. Yath

, the phalanx part with Nait was quite realistic (I liked it anyway),

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the Wickan charge and massive battle at the end were pretty cool and Dassem vs. Skinner, with Temper and Ferrule as support.

[lord of tragedy]

ice is pants mappo. sorry. when you list the characters and scenarios that he had to work with, it was the return of the crimson guard for fuck sake!, it should have been mind blowing instead of clunky.

i liked NOK its far superior. i still think hood is back though.

[Hetan]

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The Lord of Tragedy. Dessembrae. That is Dassem Ultor

- from The Bonehunters (Leoman and Corabb

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lord of tragedy, on May 13 2009, 05:56 AM, said:

ice is pants mappo. sorry. when you list the characters and scenarios that he had to work with, it was the return of the crimson guard for fuck sake!, it should have been mind blowing instead of clunky.

i liked NOK its far superior. i still think hood is back though.

Alright, the story was clunky, yes, but I liked the action sequences, even if no one else did.

[Excellence]

Yes.

I remember reading a specific mention of Dassem being Dessembrae. I don't remember where, Bonehunters or Reaper's, I think. I remember thinking, at last, after years of cryptic hints, a direct confirmation.

[Use Of Weapons]

I've just read it. Leoman, in conversation with Corabb while journeying to Y'Ghatan, confirms it.

[beru]

fidller also say so pg 452 of teh paper back verson of DHG..

[coltainereborn]

My question is, when Dassem and Rake are dueling- where the hell did all the cultists come from? they just show up out of nowhere- how did they know the confrontation was happening, and where it was happening to be able to show up just in time to watch it all go down?

Were they able to track him through some worshipper/worshipped connection? Is he going to get his own mortal sword, and other positions?

[T'renn]

I think to the first, yes, there is a connection to his "followers" second, he is a denying God, so there can be no mortal sword and likewise positions, since it is up to the god to appoint them.

[coltainereborn]

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jun 11 2009, 04:09 PM, said:

I think to the first, yes, there is a connection to his "followers" second, he is a denying God, so there can be no mortal sword and likewise positions, since it is up to the god to appoint them.

Not necessarily- Trull becomes Shadows mortal sword, and it was never sanctioned by ST.
Same with Clip, he was MS of darkness, but never met Rake

[MTS]

A Knight and a Mortal Sword are not necessarily the same thing, although they are probably different names for the same thing, but we don't know for sure. I think IHMT has it correct. Your examples are also not very convincing. First of all, we never truly know if Clip was the MS - he's arrogant enough that he would just assume the role himself. Like IHMT said, you can't be a MS of a god who doesn't want to be a god. Secondly, Trull becomes Knight of Shadow because Hannan Mosag wants him to be the MS of Emurlahnis - it has nothing to do with ST.

[D'rek]

The titles Mortal Sword, Destriant, Shield Anvil are just that - titles. While the Grey Sword officers were the real deal, the church of Fener had many, many other Destriants because it was a part of the hierarchy of the church, hence why Rath'Fener claimed his rank was as Destriant. Karnadas just happened to be officially imbued with Fener's own power because Fener had chosen him personally. Likewise, the Bluerose can go ahead and call Clip the MS of Rake, it's the very same as any church declaring their top members special names. Rake didn't acknowledge it and so Clip had none of Rake's own power passed into him, but he was still a MS in the Bluerose' eyes.

[Trull's son]

Alot of Dassem's history seems to be new to me. Where is it mentioned that his daughter was required at the chaining? Who was Dassem beforehand, and how OLD is he. I had always believed him to be among the original founders of the Malazan empire, but if he had been present at the chaining, this would mean he was around closer to the time of Kallor's empire (the First Empire??). Do we ever find out at what point he had become a god? Seems I have overlooked so much of his history, which is odd on my part being that Dassem has always been among my favorite characters.

OH, how could anyone qualify as Mortal Sword to Traveller. He'd have to be some badass swordsman to pull that part off.. (Brys beddict anyone?)

[beru]

Trull's son, on Jun 12 2009, 05:00 AM, said:

Alot of Dassem's history seems to be new to me. (1)Where is it mentioned that his daughter was required at the chaining? (2)Who was Dassem beforehand, (3)and how OLD is he. I had always believed him to be among the original founders of the Malazan empire, but if he had been present at the chaining, this would mean he was around closer to the time of Kallor's empire (the First Empire??). Do we ever find out at what point he had become a god? Seems I have overlooked so much of his history, which is odd on my part being that Dassem has always been among my favorite characters.

OH, how could anyone qualify as Mortal Sword to Traveller. He'd have to be some badass swordsman to pull that part off.. (Brys beddict anyone?)

1. there have been more than one chaining in the most reasent envy does not atend and dassems daughter is used by hood insted and nearly dies (moi)
2. Dassem is now desembae/traveller and was born dassem
3. he is nearly 200 years old and have kept going by: asending and stayed inside the deadhouse

and kallors empire is not the first empire

[coltainereborn]

D'rek, on Jun 11 2009, 08:54 PM, said:

The titles Mortal Sword, Destriant, Shield Anvil are just that - titles. While the Grey Sword officers were the real deal, the church of Fener had many, many other Destriants because it was a part of the hierarchy of the church, hence why Rath'Fener claimed his rank was as Destriant. Karnadas just happened to be officially imbued with Fener's own power because Fener had chosen him personally. Likewise, the Bluerose can go ahead and call Clip the MS of Rake, it's the very same as any church declaring their top members special names. Rake didn't acknowledge it and so Clip had none of Rake's own power passed into him, but he was still a MS in the Bluerose' eyes.

You're right, but I guess that was kind of my point, I don't think Dassem asked for the cult, but he has one anyway, the cultists could install a heirarchy w/o him. And then what if he is hi-jacked like Feather witch did to the Errant in MT-- Traveler has power, and if SE has taught us anything, its that people will want a piece of it. I think one of the most interesting aspects of SE's work is the way that Worshipped/worshipper relationship is a two way street.

[D'rek]

coltainereborn, on Jun 12 2009, 11:47 AM, said:

D'rek, on Jun 11 2009, 08:54 PM, said:

The titles Mortal Sword, Destriant, Shield Anvil are just that - titles. While the Grey Sword officers were the real deal, the church of Fener had many, many other Destriants because it was a part of the hierarchy of the church, hence why Rath'Fener claimed his rank was as Destriant. Karnadas just happened to be officially imbued with Fener's own power because Fener had chosen him personally. Likewise, the Bluerose can go ahead and call Clip the MS of Rake, it's the very same as any church declaring their top members special names. Rake didn't acknowledge it and so Clip had none of Rake's own power passed into him, but he was still a MS in the Bluerose' eyes.

You're right, but I guess that was kind of my point, I don't think Dassem asked for the cult, but he has one anyway, the cultists could install a heirarchy w/o him. And then what if he is hi-jacked like Feather witch did to the Errant in MT-- Traveler has power, and if SE has taught us anything, its that people will want a piece of it. I think one of the most interesting aspects of SE's work is the way that Worshipped/worshipper relationship is a two way street.

I don't think the comparison is valid. The Errant was an established part of the Tiles and had his own priesthood and whatnot in place. Willingly. He may have reduced himself a lot, but the old system could be revived, and FW did. And even then the Errant could've quashed it until FW ate his eye.

Dessembrae has never been more than a cult, Dassem has never accepted or blessed a formal structure or even acknowledged his wroshippers, so there is no old structure to revive. And, seeing as its Dassem, I wouldn't count on any cultists managing to best him and steal his eye...

[Trull's son]

Another question then. how many chainings were there? are we going to run into several crippled gods lying around?? I believe he was the only one mentioned as being chained. And if the Cripple God was chained in the time of Dissemblakis (First empire?) who was chained within the last 200 years in Wu? You would think some crimson guard or Thelomen would have remembered, them being of the short lived long-lived peoples (I will assume all ascendants memories turn to muck after the first hundred millenia or so).

Why chains?

[Bauchelain the Evil]

The being who was chained was always the CG. Maybe he always managed to escape the previous chainingsand the Ascendants had to redo it all over or maybe they somehow sensed that the ritual was weakening and had to be reinforced, we don't now, All that we know is that there were more than one Chaining, the last one recent enugh for Cotillion and Dassem to partecipate and they all served to bind te CG to Burn

[Wampyry]

Mappo's Travelling Sack: "Alright, the story was clunky, yes, but I liked the action sequences, even if no one else did."


For what it's worth, I agree with you. I read fantasy for entertainment. ROTCG had a lot of action packed storylines and some awesome characters. Thoroughly enjoyed the book

[clanless]

Bauchelain the Evil, on Jun 15 2009, 05:10 AM, said:

The being who was chained was always the CG. Maybe he always managed to escape the previous chainingsand the Ascendants had to redo it all over or maybe they somehow sensed that the ritual was weakening and had to be reinforced, we don't now, All that we know is that there were more than one Chaining, the last one recent enugh for Cotillion and Dassem to partecipate and they all served to bind te CG to Burn

He did come down in pieces though when he fell right? So maybe whatwas chained is just the largest piece of the CG they could find.....on a tangent the great ravens came from his flesh right........isn't it odd that they run around and do what they like.....friends with the "good guys". But noone knows what thier agenda is.