[Galain]

I will bring this back because I think it contains valid information IMO:

Omtose, on May 6 2009, 12:12 AM, said:

Ok, I realise that I said I believed D'riss was the only viable lynch today (and he is), but I was shocked by how quick it almost happened. After I laid my vote down, here's the other voters.

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 09:52 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 04:03 PM, said:

@Shadow - okay couple things. First, if you are going to edit quotes it's polite to put something in there denoting you are cutting stuff out. I don't recommend *snip* because someone almost got lynched for it last game, but whatever. Second, if you are going to add multiple quotes there is the plus reply button down on the right, or you can do it ghetto and open two windows and grab "reply" quotes and cut and past them in. Lastly, you can use to add in someone's name. Thanks.

There it is, also the "youre being too obvious" remark. Which makes me think you know who I am.

Had to delete your example so the tags would match.

I do want to take back what I said earlier about your case on D'riss being a circlejerk. I can see how that might have been interpreted as pertaining to only that one case in that one instance. Whereas now I can clearly see your total style is circlejerk so minor correction there. You've definately piqued my interest now so I'm ready to see the CF.

Vote D'riss

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 09:55 PM, said:

Looks like we're going in that direction then - here's vote number...10?

Vote D'riss

As I said, not great believer in the case, but I do hope we're lucky/Korv's a genius.

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

Fuck it, looks like D'riss is the most likely lynch today.
Don't think he's guilty, but we need info from his CF and his train.
Remove vote
Vote D'riss

Kessobahn, on May 5 2009, 10:02 PM, said:

bah, I stil htink Telas is scum

but to speed things up

remove vote

vote D'riss

Obviously I am also suspect, but there was a lot of eagerness to jump in here.

I'm not lecturing the votes on D'riss. Actually, I apologize for leaving without changing my vote first, I usually don't do that but I expected to be able to jump back on at some point before going to bed.

What I object with is the "I don't agree but vote" attitude, these were made with > 4-5 hours left in the day, and these players were around much later to remove/re-add their votes when D'riss came back with his California bullshit.

This was not a "time to discuss is over so let's compromise" situation, if these players had better candidates they could have discussed them. I have no issue with Emulahn's vote on Shadow for example, that was a proper thing to do. Not with 5 mins left in the day, but with hours why not?

These votes are either lazy or scummy.

This post has been edited by Galain: 06 May 2009 - 07:13 AM

[Galain]

I'll make a little lecture for the sake of self-improvement, if you don't like it sue me

Whoever used his vig last night, that was bad play.

There a specific situations in a game where a vig is needed, and testing a day 1 hunch is definitely NOT one of them. If that was made for personnal fulfillment, that was nasty play. If that was made for fear of getting NKed and not using the kill, that was pointless, there's no penalty for a vig to die with his vig unused.

Now we're triple-fucked:
- We're not sure which of the NK was from the killers unless you reveal, but unlike what Silanah said, DON'T yet
- Your target was inno, and might have been roled.
- We lost your vig if we need it later.


Anyways, I'm assuming this was a vig due to TMDI 2. Also, we do have young players around so I'm angry per se, but it's been bugging me so I felt like saying that.

[Tellan]

Galain, on May 6 2009, 12:13 AM, said:

I will bring this back because I think it contains valid information IMO:

Omtose, on May 6 2009, 12:12 AM, said:

Ok, I realise that I said I believed D'riss was the only viable lynch today (and he is), but I was shocked by how quick it almost happened. After I laid my vote down, here's the other voters.

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 09:52 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 04:03 PM, said:

@Shadow - okay couple things. First, if you are going to edit quotes it's polite to put something in there denoting you are cutting stuff out. I don't recommend *snip* because someone almost got lynched for it last game, but whatever. Second, if you are going to add multiple quotes there is the plus reply button down on the right, or you can do it ghetto and open two windows and grab "reply" quotes and cut and past them in. Lastly, you can use to add in someone's name. Thanks.

There it is, also the "youre being too obvious" remark. Which makes me think you know who I am.

Had to delete your example so the tags would match.

I do want to take back what I said earlier about your case on D'riss being a circlejerk. I can see how that might have been interpreted as pertaining to only that one case in that one instance. Whereas now I can clearly see your total style is circlejerk so minor correction there. You've definately piqued my interest now so I'm ready to see the CF.

Vote D'riss

Meanas, on May 5 2009, 09:55 PM, said:

Looks like we're going in that direction then - here's vote number...10?

Vote D'riss

As I said, not great believer in the case, but I do hope we're lucky/Korv's a genius.

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

Fuck it, looks like D'riss is the most likely lynch today.
Don't think he's guilty, but we need info from his CF and his train.
Remove vote
Vote D'riss

Kessobahn, on May 5 2009, 10:02 PM, said:

bah, I stil htink Telas is scum

but to speed things up

remove vote

vote D'riss

Obviously I am also suspect, but there was a lot of eagerness to jump in here.

I'm not lecturing the votes on D'riss. Actually, I apologize for leaving without changing my vote first, I usually don't do that but I expected to be able to jump back on at some point before going to bed.

What I object with is the "I don't agree but vote" attitude, these were made with > 4-5 hours left in the day, and these players were around much later to remove/re-add their votes when D'riss came back with his California bullshit.

This was not a "time to discuss is over so let's compromise" situation, if these players had better candidates they could have discussed them. I have no issue with Emulahn's vote on Shadow for example, that was a proper thing to do. Not with 5 mins left in the day, but with hours why not?

These votes are either lazy or scummy.

If you were on at the time you'd know that Korv and Shadow went attack dog on anyone that even mentioned another case. Shadow went straight to accusations about slowing down the train, I got called a dickbag, Korv finally put up or shut up so I took odds that his beloved Day 1 case would turn up inno. I still think Shadow is covering for Ruse, Silanah or Mockra. Korv is probably going to slide because he appealed for meta-leniency which is probably going to make the guy that usually does that Mental

[Galain]

Tellan, on May 6 2009, 10:28 AM, said:

If you were on at the time you'd know that Korv and Shadow went attack dog on anyone that even mentioned another case. Shadow went straight to accusations about slowing down the train, I got called a dickbag, Korv finally put up or shut up so I took odds that his beloved Day 1 case would turn up inno. I still think Shadow is covering for Ruse, Silanah or Mockra. Korv is probably going to slide because he appealed for meta-leniency which is probably going to make the guy that usually does that Mental

Tellan, evidently not all those quoted there are scum. Not examining such evidence, still, would be waste. This is day 2, and we have a lynch train to check, besides obscure behavioral analysis. This has nothing to do with D'riss being inno. Well, it does, but I'm not saying "these voted for an inno", but "these voted with the "if you guys insist" excuse way too early.

I don't totally buy the "bullied" excuses, not from you

[Tellan]

I was trying to point out that they were at best non-confrontational votes because nobody wanted to rock the fail-boat at the time. The inno code debacle made it even more confusing as to who was on the train and why. Perspective is everything. I didn't say I was bullied, I quite clearly put down my vote on a favorable bet AND left it on the whole time.

[Galain]

Actually, that's interesting.

For this I'll concede the you-had-to-be-there element, but why didn't you remove the vote when he put his code down? It's hard to tell for sure, but I think my reflex would have been to unvote for a while before a scum could react quickly and "oups-cross-post-hammer" the guy before it was clarified.

[Mockra]

I can't be the best at non-confrontation votes, considering I didn't vote. XD
Though I know what Tellan is saying.

[Tellan]

Galain, on May 6 2009, 12:53 AM, said:

Actually, that's interesting.

For this I'll concede the you-had-to-be-there element, but why didn't you remove the vote when he put his code down? It's hard to tell for sure, but I think my reflex would have been to unvote for a while before a scum could react quickly and "oups-cross-post-hammer" the guy before it was clarified.

Enough people instantly removed vote it wasn't an issue I think he went from 12 to 9 pretty quick and jerked us around for ~20 mins.

[Gamelon]

Kessobahn, on May 6 2009, 04:47 AM, said:

case on Sil was based on him confessing he has a "partner" (an RL significant other, I presume), and being attacked for it.

I'm here for a bit, but will be headiong to bed soon-ish

is it really? you either havent read the thread or are a symp trying to dissemble for your master because the case on silanah has absolutely nothing to do with their partner talk.

1 - korv made an 'observation' about silanahs partner talk.
2 - ruse and driss commented on this talk
3 - korv and subsequently thread exploded!
4 - galain votes silanah as common factor
5 - i vote silanah as one vote ont hem produced a shitstorm.
6 - silanah decides to vote galain
7 - silanah attacks me saying i am jumping around and votes me, citing the fact that i quoted paraphrased the last sentence of my role pm given its use of the word town when that isnt generally used as in role pms, as an attempt to fake innocence.
8 - silanah jumped onto driss with no reason five hours before deadline just to get a vote.
9 - day 2 starts and silanah is backtracking again, making ot its semantics.

so no kessobahn - the case is not because they used the word partner.

[Ruse]

It seems we have several different people with different takes on Shadow. However, all of those takes are "he's kinda scummy", just with different reasoning behind that feeling. Tellan, Emurlahn, Korv, Meanas and myself have all commented on some aspect of Shadow's posting. As I noted earlier, it seemed like he cleaned up his play after I called him on his hedging. So rather than defending himself or saying "that's just how I word things", he quietly changed what I was seeing in his posts.
Since enough people have smelled a strange funk, all for different reasons, I don't think it's too strange for me to lay a vote down.

Vote Shadow

[Ruse]

Ok, that was an interesting post by Gamelon that I cross-posted with.

Silanah's play also bothers me when laid out like that.

[Galain]

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 6 2009, 04:47 AM, said:

case on Sil was based on him confessing he has a "partner" (an RL significant other, I presume), and being attacked for it.

I'm here for a bit, but will be headiong to bed soon-ish

is it really? you either havent read the thread or are a symp trying to dissemble for your master because the case on silanah has absolutely nothing to do with their partner talk.

1 - korv made an 'observation' about silanahs partner talk.
2 - ruse and driss commented on this talk
3 - korv and subsequently thread exploded!
4 - galain votes silanah as common factor
5 - i vote silanah as one vote ont hem produced a shitstorm.
6 - silanah decides to vote galain
7 - silanah attacks me saying i am jumping around and votes me, citing the fact that i quoted paraphrased the last sentence of my role pm given its use of the word town when that isnt generally used as in role pms, as an attempt to fake innocence.
8 - silanah jumped onto driss with no reason five hours before deadline just to get a vote.
9 - day 2 starts and silanah is backtracking again, making ot its semantics.

so no kessobahn - the case is not because they used the word partner.

And interestingly, Kessobahn was part of my observations yesterday when he quickly brought the "well innos can have partners too" comment out of nowhere.

[Galain]

Mockra, on May 6 2009, 10:55 AM, said:

I can't be the best at non-confrontation votes, considering I didn't vote. XD

Feel like starting to at some point?

[Gamelon]

Galain, on May 6 2009, 09:09 AM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 6 2009, 04:47 AM, said:

case on Sil was based on him confessing he has a "partner" (an RL significant other, I presume), and being attacked for it.

I'm here for a bit, but will be headiong to bed soon-ish

is it really? you either havent read the thread or are a symp trying to dissemble for your master because the case on silanah has absolutely nothing to do with their partner talk.

1 - korv made an 'observation' about silanahs partner talk.
2 - ruse and driss commented on this talk
3 - korv and subsequently thread exploded!
4 - galain votes silanah as common factor
5 - i vote silanah as one vote ont hem produced a shitstorm.
6 - silanah decides to vote galain
7 - silanah attacks me saying i am jumping around and votes me, citing the fact that i quoted paraphrased the last sentence of my role pm given its use of the word town when that isnt generally used as in role pms, as an attempt to fake innocence.
8 - silanah jumped onto driss with no reason five hours before deadline just to get a vote.
9 - day 2 starts and silanah is backtracking again, making ot its semantics.

so no kessobahn - the case is not because they used the word partner.

And interestingly, Kessobahn was part of my observations yesterday when he quickly brought the "well innos can have partners too" comment out of nowhere.

aye maybe we should add that kessobahn and others accused driss of outing paired roled innos. a lot of stuff snowballed from that vote by korv and his partner comment.

[Gamelon]

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 10:25 PM, said:

Alright. Checking in, after having read the thread, I give around of applause to Telas for his great skill. Throw a tomato at Meanas for his attempt, and

Vote Silanah.

THe only thing I really found was his use of the word "partner" and the subsequent catch by, I forget who, that saw him lurk.

heres korvs vote

Shadow, on May 4 2009, 10:33 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 02:25 PM, said:

Vote Silanah.

THe only thing I really found was his use of the word "partner" and the subsequent catch by, I forget who, that saw him lurk.

I thought that his (?) use of "partner" was in reference to RL, which really seems a stretch to go after ...

some sense

Meanas, on May 4 2009, 11:06 PM, said:

Odd....perhaps.

But why would an evil pairing want to highlight it? They would already know they're partnered, and there's no real reason for why they would want to reveal it...unless you're thinking that maybe it's someone setting up something fake for later?

meanas talking about the absurdity of it.

Korlat, on May 4 2009, 11:09 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 10:02 AM, said:

Silanah, on May 4 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

Ruse, on May 4 2009, 09:51 AM, said:

Hello everyone. And what cave do you live in D'riss to have not seen the movie?

I saw the beginning in grade school or something, but I damn well don't remember the details.

Tsk tsk.... Watch it online. I'm going to watch it again tonight with the partner, just to refresh my memory... Make some commitment to your Mafia games!

Just something odd I saw. But worth a vote early day one.

I was on when he posted that. I thought that it was a reference to his RL. Doesn't really seem all that unusual to me. Wouldn't hurt to keep a watch on what else he says. If we have paired killers then it might have been a signal from a symp. That is really the best that it could be right now. As Meanas says partners would know who each other are even if they can't talk off thread.

again sense regarding this.

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 11:37 PM, said:

Now that I've gotten some food...tbh the case with silanah is far from substantial. Now, my continued hunger (typing as I eat) is probably impairing my judgment, but I'm inclined to leave that as only a last-resort option. Besides that, I imagine that at least half our paired guys are inno, so it's not necessarily best to charge straight in and attack someone on suspicion they're paired.

The doozie from driss, mentioning paired innos.

Korvalain, on May 4 2009, 11:52 PM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 06:37 PM, said:

Now that I've gotten some food...tbh the case with silanah is far from substantial. Now, my continued hunger (typing as I eat) is probably impairing my judgment, but I'm inclined to leave that as only a last-resort option. Besides that, I imagine that at least half our paired guys are inno, so it's not necessarily best to charge straight in and attack someone on suspicion they're paired.

This isn't scummy at all. Coming in and saying my vote is a "case". And then saying that my reasoning is flawed because I mention the remark, thereby discrediting me, and any future reference I make. Kind pisses me off actually. Taking a single vote on a person and turning it into a solid case. Then saying that said case is rubbish.

Remove Vote Vote D'riss

Edit: to bold

korv exploding because of driss calling his observation a case.


SPLITTING DUE TO QUOTES

[Gamelon]

Shadow, on May 4 2009, 11:58 PM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

I imagine that at least half our paired guys are inno, so it's not necessarily best to charge straight in and attack someone on suspicion they're paired.

Why would you even feel the need to speculate about Inno mechanics?

Kessobahn, on May 5 2009, 01:10 AM, said:

Seriously, what are you, Yellow?

why would you go and say that you've found a possible pair on day 1....

this is the biggest jump i have seen yet, he didnt say anything about finding an inno pair, just specualted that some roles may be paired and inno, which given last game isnt too far out there.

D'riss, on May 5 2009, 01:31 AM, said:

Shadow, on May 4 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

I imagine that at least half our paired guys are inno, so it's not necessarily best to charge straight in and attack someone on suspicion they're paired.

Why would you even feel the need to speculate about Inno mechanics?

Because if he's right but has found inno then he could be telling all the scum who our healers/finders/guards or whatever are.

edit: brainfart + grammar

I dont even understand what driss is saying here, though he is implying that korv (i think) has outed an inno pair??

Ruse, on May 5 2009, 01:50 AM, said:

Back now for a bit. I was here during the conversation when the Silanah partner thing came up. At the time it came off quite naturally as a RL reference, so I'm not sure that it's something to go off on. If Silanah was paired scum, I doubt even a noob would do something so obvious as to mention their in-game partnership. However, Silanah visibly lurking suggests they possibly are a newbie and more prone to make some sort of gross error.

D'riss overextends his thought process IMO. Also, speculating on inno mechanics can come across as fishing for information.

ruse diffuses it slightly, but mentions silanah lurking (browser open was the explanation).

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 01:58 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 4 2009, 08:10 PM, said:

Seriously, what are you, Yellow?

why would you go and say that you've found a possible pair on day 1....

What fucking inno pair codes by saying partner? At best its a symp. At worst its nothing. Why such drama over pointing out the fact that someone said partner? Why do you feel the killers are stupid and me "pointing out" a partner "code" revealed that info to them? Geez. I thought I was the dumb one. Now I see that I must be a freaking GENIUS! Figuring out that code! HA!

Korv, the calm one, is clearly nto amused by kessobahns wild accusation.

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 02:28 AM, said:

Ruse, on May 4 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

Nice, now I fine myself speculating that Kesso and Silanah are paired.

(Sarcasm) Why would you do that?!!! Why would you speculate on inno pairs? OUT LOUD??? (/Sarcasm)

Gotta say though, lots of info bubbling to the surface with one vote. Here's hoping that the rest of the game (and everyone playing) continues to progress in a like manner. As opposed to scum sliding by un-noticed.

Again korvalain reacts, over the top.

Shadow, on May 5 2009, 02:48 AM, said:

D'riss, on May 4 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

Shadow, on May 4 2009, 09:37 PM, said:

Well, yeah - I was asking a rhetorical question.

He's either a complete noob, or a ham-handed Symp.

Did you respond to my post by referring to myself in 3rd person (as opposed to 2nd)?

Huh - I thought I was responding to someone else. My original question was about you.

Yeah, you're the one I was talking about - talking in-thread about your estimation of Inno distribution.

shadow accuses driss of inno distribution specualtion.

Shadow, on May 5 2009, 07:14 AM, said:

Well, I'm headed to bed.

So,

Vote D'riss

Something not right with him, I think. Though I'm less suspicious of Silanah, whom D'riss seems willing to deflect to.

Not sure where he gets that driss was deflecting to silanah. Votes though.

Ruse, on May 5 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

Sorry I missed you Omtose, I was cleaning my workspace and not refreshing the browser. (Bad manners, I know)

Korv is being pushy and clutching at straws, but the only way to get info is to push around and see what surfaces. If you manage to push the right person, they could make an error in how they reply, in which case your pushiness has bagged yourself a scum. If I wasn't voting for D'riss, I'd probably be voting for Kesso or Silanah. It may not be a perfect method, but it yields more than trying to figure out whose spam seems out of place.

And before you come back with "you're symping korv" please note that I'm defending the method, not the player.

So as long as we're 'pushing', I want to mention that I don't like Shadow's last comment.

Quote

Well, I'm headed to bed.

So,

Vote D'riss

Something not right with him, I think. Though I'm less suspicious of Silanah, whom D'riss seems willing to deflect to.

That's such a watered down statement about D'riss. It comes off as a hedging "if you guys say so, but I'm not convinced" which makes me suspicious of a scum carefully weighing in on an early lynch train. And in the same breath he does a roundabout defense of Silanah. If D'riss were to be lynched and comes up inno, then I think both Shadow and Silanah look more suspicious.

After all that, ruse has linked shadow and silanah, while above shadow has linked driss and silanah.

All in all an awful lot of info from one small observation about a single player who wasnt even on at the time. The reason both galain and myself cited yesterday when voting (earning us an omgus vote for silanah) was that this all came from korvalains vote on silanah for using the term partner, when anyone normal could tell it was a rl reference to quality time. Silanah hasnt been that out there, but the reactions to even one vote speaks volumes in my mind. Other votes were placed (my vote on ruse for using the term prince ina convoluted way for example) yielded little more than a few comments. This single vote and subsequent shouting match saw driss lynched and the commmon factor in my mind is silanah.

edited wrong use of name

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 06 May 2009 - 09:42 AM

[Gamelon]

one note of caution but both telas and meanas were heavily involved at the start of that fracas, and both were heavy on the rhyming at the start of the game. Although people seem content to pass it off as a vig, it is entirely possible that we are facing two seperate killers, after all in the context of the movie and the opening, both the prince and the count would class as killers. If it is just the prince, the count and vinzinni in team evil perhaps gavin balanced it by giving them each killing powers at night while the other is a powerful symp.

[Tellan]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 04:38 PM, said:

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 06:41 PM, said:

Here's a protip from an old-guard if your gameplay gets you lynched on or before Day 3, you could suck at the game.

Aww, now thats just mean. And yeah, I expect pressure, but one question, what is it that I have done that makes me look scummy? Got an inno lynched based on a shit case. So what? Why am I scummy?

Two points. First you don't know me, but know I always collect on my bets, fair is fair after all. Second, the scummy part was bull-dogging your case to the exclusion of all others, with help from your boy Shadow. People wanted to slow down and look at other things and you two threw a hissy fit. Now I know you'll go back and find the post where you waffled and hedged your bet after the train got started in earnest. (hint it's post 444 for easy reference). From that you will try and mount your defense. (calm down I'm not done yet)

Now I happen to be a big fan of Caesar Millan (google it) and I see us (team town) as a huge pack of dogs. I've treated you with calm assertive energy thus far and you've certainly (finally) lowered your ears so I'm willing to lower mine for the time being. Don't mistake it for a sign of weakness.

remove vote

[Korvalain]

Tellan, on May 6 2009, 03:28 AM, said:

If you were on at the time you'd know that Korv and Shadow went attack dog on anyone that even mentioned another case. Shadow went straight to accusations about slowing down the train, I got called a dickbag, Korv finally put up or shut up so I took odds that his beloved Day 1 case would turn up inno. I still think Shadow is covering for Ruse, Silanah or Mockra. Korv is probably going to slide because he appealed for meta-leniency which is probably going to make the guy that usually does that Mental

Bullshit

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 04:57 PM, said:

Bloddy hell, if you don't think its a good enough case to lynch on then why vote? Theres plenty of time to speed lynch me and see if I am scum and causing distraction, or a low poster or Tellan for being a dickbag, or nyone else for any number of reason. 5 people that just threw on votes said, oh well nothing better and I don't agree but -

Come on. If it sucks say so and find something better.Anything else is a cop out. /Rant

but I admit to calling you a dickbag. And continual argument to vote for D'riss

[Tellan]

and you went to post 444 in a cross post...I win! HAHAHA