[Silanah]

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

yeah well last game was tmdi 2 and we had the symps replacing killers. Just because it is tmdi 2 doesnt mean anything, as for revealing i really doubt the vig (if there is one) would be so foolish as to follow that advice especially if they possibly have multiple vigs or where time constrained. No doubt they will save revealing until nearly lynched. also having a ci at this point in the game is pointless unless you simply want to make them a target for an nk.

as you say though we can wait and see what happens tonight.

Well, I'd rather run the risk of losing a spent vig to an nk, then accidentally lynching him (revealing as vig before getting a hammer is always suspicious in my eyes, so I take those reveals with a pinch of salt) and leaving the position open for one of the killers to claim, to be honest.
Although I agree with you that if he has multiple vigs, it would be a bad idea to reveal.

[Silanah]

And very well, I shall bow to WCS wisdom.

[Korvalain]

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 08:08 AM, said:

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 12:55 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 07:18 AM, said:

To balance a game, paired killers would NOT be given two kills in a TMDI 2, and one symp. They would of course retain their two killers two symps, which is the standard meat and potatoes setting, or, alternatively, if Gavin had to balance it, I reckon he would have taken out roled innos or something, but two killers sounds unbalanced... That's fear-mongering that you are doing, and your argument above is being used to finger as many people as possible, and look like its actually a real argument.

This argument isn't really a good one Sil. We dont know 100 percent that it was a vig. And since no one has come forward to say,they vigged someone. We HAVE to assume WCS that there are going to be 2 NK's from here on out. Its not fear mongering IMO. Its just being realistic.

I dunno, I find it VERY unlikely that in a basic game, we'd have two night kills a night. That means in three nights, with lynches, we could be down 9 people, nearly half the players, and that's discounting vigs. More realistically would be a vig, by the role of Inigo Montoya or Fezzik or whatever, don't you think? In this case, WCS is a bad idea to assume. It would lead to a lot of WIFOM thoughts if there was only one kill tomorrow night. This is TMDI 2, there's more than likely only one killer team, so we're still after them regardless of how many kills there are. Assuming both kills to be night kills doesn't help, because we could be taking the wrong impression from a vig. Personally, I'd still like the vig to reveal (if he's a one shot), so we know who the night kill was.

You forget Obis mini with paired finders gaurds and healers and 2 killing teams that could independently kill and didn't know each other? That was a Tmdi 2. Or Bents game with symps moving to be killers, that was supposed to be a tmdi 2. So no, Im not sure.

[Gamelon]

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

Ruse, on May 5 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

Ampelas: IMO the most obvious 'cruiser' of the bunch. Wanted info on the code most vehemently. To prove innocence for D'riss? Or to get more info on D'riss possible role?

Meh, my mind is tired so I'm sorry this is a little weak. Looking forward to reading some better ideas.

Of course I wanted to give D'riss a chance to reveal. His code wasn't much in the first place, so obviously pressuring him was the right choice.

Ampelas, what's your opinion on the nks?
I'm of the opinion that Telas was killed to finger Kessobahn, and Meanas was vigged.
Also, what do you think of Emurlahn?
Same questions to Gamelon, please.

putting you on back burner then for the moment to answer the question.

telas points to kessobahn yes, but i think also masterblue (boo!!(hope everythings ok)) said something about being a good target. I didnt find meanas amazingly suspicious, so i am unsure why you are so certain a vig did it.

emurlahn - possibly need a reread, i cant really recall much about them which is sadly something i do alot when people dont post a lot or say anything interesting. He did ignore the case yesterday though that someone made against him for following, omtose was it?

[Liosan]

Personally, I am thinking Gamelon is a bit suspicious for jumping straight on the mention of town, trying a little hard to blend in there I feel.

Also, why are you looking at Emurlahn Silanah?

[Silanah]

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

Ruse, on May 5 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

Ampelas: IMO the most obvious 'cruiser' of the bunch. Wanted info on the code most vehemently. To prove innocence for D'riss? Or to get more info on D'riss possible role?

Meh, my mind is tired so I'm sorry this is a little weak. Looking forward to reading some better ideas.

Of course I wanted to give D'riss a chance to reveal. His code wasn't much in the first place, so obviously pressuring him was the right choice.

Ampelas, what's your opinion on the nks?
I'm of the opinion that Telas was killed to finger Kessobahn, and Meanas was vigged.
Also, what do you think of Emurlahn?
Same questions to Gamelon, please.

putting you on back burner then for the moment to answer the question.

telas points to kessobahn yes, but i think also masterblue (boo!!(hope everythings ok)) said something about being a good target. I didnt find meanas amazingly suspicious, so i am unsure why you are so certain a vig did it.

emurlahn - possibly need a reread, i cant really recall much about them which is sadly something i do alot when people dont post a lot or say anything interesting. He did ignore the case yesterday though that someone made against him for following, omtose was it?

Thanks. The reason I think telas is a better kill is because Meanas was kicking up a bit of a shitstorm with a lot of accusations and suggestions; but he didn't really base these on solid proof, which, if I was a killer, would be the kind of player I'd like to leave around; someone who talks a lot and actually says nothing. Whereas Telas seems quiet, and a potential WIFOM/pointer.

I looked over Emurlahn's posts, and he seems to have a bit of content, but I'm of the opinion he's sitting the fence a little sometimes. He also wasn't around to see the result of yesterdays lynch, which I find a little suspicious. I cannot remember the Omtose case at all.

[Gamelon]

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

yeah well last game was tmdi 2 and we had the symps replacing killers. Just because it is tmdi 2 doesnt mean anything, as for revealing i really doubt the vig (if there is one) would be so foolish as to follow that advice especially if they possibly have multiple vigs or where time constrained. No doubt they will save revealing until nearly lynched. also having a ci at this point in the game is pointless unless you simply want to make them a target for an nk.

as you say though we can wait and see what happens tonight.

Well, I'd rather run the risk of losing a spent vig to an nk, then accidentally lynching him (revealing as vig before getting a hammer is always suspicious in my eyes, so I take those reveals with a pinch of salt) and leaving the position open for one of the killers to claim, to be honest.
Although I agree with you that if he has multiple vigs, it would be a bad idea to reveal.

i do agree with that and its one thing we have to be very wary of, because vigs are notoriously hard to prove and the later the claim is made the more likely it is that the original vig was killed and it is a symp trying their luck. If we wait until tomorrow we will discover if it was a vig or two killers as i would hope the vig shows some restraint if they have mutliple kills, or if there is more than one.

[Gamelon]

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

Ampelas, on May 6 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

Ruse, on May 5 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

Ampelas: IMO the most obvious 'cruiser' of the bunch. Wanted info on the code most vehemently. To prove innocence for D'riss? Or to get more info on D'riss possible role?

Meh, my mind is tired so I'm sorry this is a little weak. Looking forward to reading some better ideas.

Of course I wanted to give D'riss a chance to reveal. His code wasn't much in the first place, so obviously pressuring him was the right choice.

Ampelas, what's your opinion on the nks?
I'm of the opinion that Telas was killed to finger Kessobahn, and Meanas was vigged.
Also, what do you think of Emurlahn?
Same questions to Gamelon, please.

putting you on back burner then for the moment to answer the question.

telas points to kessobahn yes, but i think also masterblue (boo!!(hope everythings ok)) said something about being a good target. I didnt find meanas amazingly suspicious, so i am unsure why you are so certain a vig did it.

emurlahn - possibly need a reread, i cant really recall much about them which is sadly something i do alot when people dont post a lot or say anything interesting. He did ignore the case yesterday though that someone made against him for following, omtose was it?

Thanks. The reason I think telas is a better kill is because Meanas was kicking up a bit of a shitstorm with a lot of accusations and suggestions; but he didn't really base these on solid proof, which, if I was a killer, would be the kind of player I'd like to leave around; someone who talks a lot and actually says nothing. Whereas Telas seems quiet, and a potential WIFOM/pointer.

I looked over Emurlahn's posts, and he seems to have a bit of content, but I'm of the opinion he's sitting the fence a little sometimes. He also wasn't around to see the result of yesterdays lynch, which I find a little suspicious. I cannot remember the Omtose case at all.

sorry bit unclear, i think omtose voted and emur voted staraight after, for telas i think it was. will have to check. Someone made a case and voted omtose. Someone else defended them though and said it was possible emur was omtose symp and voted for omtose but they have the same time stamp.

[Silanah]

Hmmm, I see... Well, I can sort of understand his ignoring that; I probably would.
I'm just trying to get a handle on a few people at the moment. Seems this game has mostly revolved around the same people. I think the D'riss lynch was a bit of a mistake, and I should probably look over his train today at some point; but he didn't help his case with that ridiculous code. All in all, I'm left feeling a little bit wary of the characters who've been under the radar, I don't know why.

[Silanah]

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

yeah well last game was tmdi 2 and we had the symps replacing killers. Just because it is tmdi 2 doesnt mean anything, as for revealing i really doubt the vig (if there is one) would be so foolish as to follow that advice especially if they possibly have multiple vigs or where time constrained. No doubt they will save revealing until nearly lynched. also having a ci at this point in the game is pointless unless you simply want to make them a target for an nk.

as you say though we can wait and see what happens tonight.

Well, I'd rather run the risk of losing a spent vig to an nk, then accidentally lynching him (revealing as vig before getting a hammer is always suspicious in my eyes, so I take those reveals with a pinch of salt) and leaving the position open for one of the killers to claim, to be honest.
Although I agree with you that if he has multiple vigs, it would be a bad idea to reveal.

i do agree with that and its one thing we have to be very wary of, because vigs are notoriously hard to prove and the later the claim is made the more likely it is that the original vig was killed and it is a symp trying their luck. If we wait until tomorrow we will discover if it was a vig or two killers as i would hope the vig shows some restraint if they have mutliple kills, or if there is more than one.

I'm hoping, if it was a vig and they have multiple kills, that they don't use one tonight, as you say. But to be honest, I can't really see a very good reason for vigging Meanas or Telas. I can see why you would nk Telas, and I can see reasons for leaving Meanas alive, but neither were all that scummy.
I'm guessing our best bet for advancement would be the D'riss train, atm.

[Korvalain]

I went back to pre-Driss code and saw this. Look at the time stamp on Barghast. 1 minute. After he votes, Sil asks him to back off and no removal from him. However. 11 minutes after the code, he's the second person to remove his vote. Just the timing of the vote that bothers me. Anyone want to talk, or should I hammer/ HAMMER!!!

Barghast, on May 5 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 09:00 AM, said:

Barghast, on May 5 2009, 09:58 PM, said:

Anyone care to give me a quick summary of whatever we have on D'riss? Though I don't see any other person getting lynched today

From what I can see there really isn't much, but fuck it, we're being played into a corner here, so I'm gonna see what I can get from his train, and who knows, maybe his CF is guilty... Could be a miracle

Right... well I think I can be the hammer unless anyone wants any more discussion?

Kessobahn, on May 5 2009, 05:02 PM, said:

bah, I stil htink Telas is scum

but to speed things up

remove vote

vote D'riss

Kessobahn, on May 5 2009, 05:13 PM, said:

oh, so now we're NOT being sheep?
how odd

remove vote

back it goes

vote Telas

[Gamelon]

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 01:44 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

yeah well last game was tmdi 2 and we had the symps replacing killers. Just because it is tmdi 2 doesnt mean anything, as for revealing i really doubt the vig (if there is one) would be so foolish as to follow that advice especially if they possibly have multiple vigs or where time constrained. No doubt they will save revealing until nearly lynched. also having a ci at this point in the game is pointless unless you simply want to make them a target for an nk.

as you say though we can wait and see what happens tonight.

Well, I'd rather run the risk of losing a spent vig to an nk, then accidentally lynching him (revealing as vig before getting a hammer is always suspicious in my eyes, so I take those reveals with a pinch of salt) and leaving the position open for one of the killers to claim, to be honest.
Although I agree with you that if he has multiple vigs, it would be a bad idea to reveal.

i do agree with that and its one thing we have to be very wary of, because vigs are notoriously hard to prove and the later the claim is made the more likely it is that the original vig was killed and it is a symp trying their luck. If we wait until tomorrow we will discover if it was a vig or two killers as i would hope the vig shows some restraint if they have mutliple kills, or if there is more than one.

I'm hoping, if it was a vig and they have multiple kills, that they don't use one tonight, as you say. But to be honest, I can't really see a very good reason for vigging Meanas or Telas. I can see why you would nk Telas, and I can see reasons for leaving Meanas alive, but neither were all that scummy.
I'm guessing our best bet for advancement would be the D'riss train, atm.

which is why i theorised two seperate killers as both telas and meanas were middle of the road enough to be good nk's.

[Ampelas]

To answer your question, Sil, I don't remember much about Emurlahn. I will need to read up on him.

[Silanah]

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:47 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 01:44 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

yeah well last game was tmdi 2 and we had the symps replacing killers. Just because it is tmdi 2 doesnt mean anything, as for revealing i really doubt the vig (if there is one) would be so foolish as to follow that advice especially if they possibly have multiple vigs or where time constrained. No doubt they will save revealing until nearly lynched. also having a ci at this point in the game is pointless unless you simply want to make them a target for an nk.

as you say though we can wait and see what happens tonight.

Well, I'd rather run the risk of losing a spent vig to an nk, then accidentally lynching him (revealing as vig before getting a hammer is always suspicious in my eyes, so I take those reveals with a pinch of salt) and leaving the position open for one of the killers to claim, to be honest.
Although I agree with you that if he has multiple vigs, it would be a bad idea to reveal.

i do agree with that and its one thing we have to be very wary of, because vigs are notoriously hard to prove and the later the claim is made the more likely it is that the original vig was killed and it is a symp trying their luck. If we wait until tomorrow we will discover if it was a vig or two killers as i would hope the vig shows some restraint if they have mutliple kills, or if there is more than one.

I'm hoping, if it was a vig and they have multiple kills, that they don't use one tonight, as you say. But to be honest, I can't really see a very good reason for vigging Meanas or Telas. I can see why you would nk Telas, and I can see reasons for leaving Meanas alive, but neither were all that scummy.
I'm guessing our best bet for advancement would be the D'riss train, atm.

which is why i theorised two seperate killers as both telas and meanas were middle of the road enough to be good nk's.

I'd still consider Meanas to be a better bet for leaving alive, for the reasons I said above. Also, as he fingered nearly everyone he could remember, it'd be awfully hard linking him to anyone.


Korvalain, what re you trying to say?

[Ampelas]

That Meanas have fingered nearly everyone is interesting. It could be a scum tactic.

[Gamelon]

Korvalain, on May 6 2009, 01:46 PM, said:

I went back to pre-Driss code and saw this. Look at the time stamp on Barghast. 1 minute. After he votes, Sil asks him to back off and no removal from him. However. 11 minutes after the code, he's the second person to remove his vote. Just the timing of the vote that bothers me. Anyone want to talk, or should I hammer/ HAMMER!!!

Barghast, on May 5 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 6 2009, 09:00 AM, said:

Barghast, on May 5 2009, 09:58 PM, said:

Anyone care to give me a quick summary of whatever we have on D'riss? Though I don't see any other person getting lynched today

From what I can see there really isn't much, but fuck it, we're being played into a corner here, so I'm gonna see what I can get from his train, and who knows, maybe his CF is guilty... Could be a miracle

Right... well I think I can be the hammer unless anyone wants any more discussion?

Kessobahn, on May 5 2009, 05:02 PM, said:

bah, I stil htink Telas is scum

but to speed things up

remove vote

vote D'riss

Kessobahn, on May 5 2009, 05:13 PM, said:

oh, so now we're NOT being sheep?
how odd

remove vote

back it goes

vote Telas

You do realise that barghast is dead

[Hood's Path]

finally done with the days work

catch up time

[Korvalain]

Im trying to say that the anyone want to discuss, then one minute and tons of cross posts later he hammers(well it was L-2 when he placed his vote, but he thought it was going to be the hammer.) So why ask? Then when he removes, he says, oh, so now we aren't going to be sheep? Just odd. Like the partner thing you said. Something no one seemed to catch, so I thought to bring it up and see what people thought.

[Korvalain]

Gamelon, on May 6 2009, 08:56 AM, said:

You do realise that barghast is dead

Of course, but that wasn't a killer move, it was a symp move. IMO.

[Korvalain]

Sorry, let me clarify, it could have been something a symp would do.