[Korvalain]

Tellan, on May 7 2009, 05:14 PM, said:

Tellan, on May 7 2009, 01:26 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 7 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

Tellan, on May 7 2009, 04:19 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on May 7 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

who do you suspect, of the people that were NOT part of the above-mentioned clusterfuck?

I suspect people in the mid to lower half of the post count. Depending on what theory you subscribe to about the amount of kills and the debacle of yesterday, I'd say killers have barely had to play the game. It makes sense to me that they would get a couple useful posts in a day and rely on their apparently numerous kills at night to win the game.

seriously, dude, names would be more useful.

Give me a little bit then.

Sorry I had to reread like 10 people from Serc down on the post list. I still find Mockra's play very questionable. I didn't actually think Tennes looked terrible in 5 posts until I came back and saw the middle of the train, drive-by vote. Ampelas reads like someone frustrated with the game but trying to be helpful. Hood's Path is annoying because I dislike that type of game play, but I think I do see the Ruse connection Rashan made above. Rashan's posts didn't ding any bells, but the vote was very interesting. People that play like HP almost always get assumed CI and make it very hard for scum to make a case on them otherwise they take up a night kill. HP claims to be gone all weekend, so good time to try and get a day wasting lynch on him. Similar thing happened last game in the closing days when someone was basically meta-CI'd. Serc, Emu, Fener and Ano I was rather indifferent in my read through. If I missed anyone it's not intentional.

Cross post I'm sure.

Heres that post

[Ruse]

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problem with that prince, is that i did post some more, no one has convinced me theres a better case than korvalain so i aint changed my vote.

Even if Galain changes votes? Which I dont think he will. He's put cases out there since voting for Korv, but seems content to keep his vote put.

Looking over the vote record I noticed that Galain and Gamelon have voted the same way every night. Night 1, both for Sil (ignoring the train on D'riss). Sil was NK'd the next night while G&G voted for Korv.

What interested me was in the final minutes of day 2 the move to vote Serc had gotten to 5. Chances weren't good, but they got worse when Gamelon jumped over to Korv (joining Galain). Gam's vote for Serc was noted by PS at 15 hours 17mins left. He changed his vote with 15 minutes left to go. Now, an actual lynch on Serc was unlikely, but a korv lynch was equally unlikely. Why switch with 15 minutes left? I think an inno would just say "well fuck, no lynch" and wait until the next day to start their case. Or at least keep their vote where the most likely lynch would occur (5 votes, 15 minutes - not impossible). It became 4 and 4 votes after the switch.

My thought process is the switch was so that G&G would be in position to set up their Day 3 case to push. It's not a stretch for them to believe that the case would be a slam-dunk, considering the dumb spastic play of Korv. Seems a reasonable place to start. Gamelon the attack dog who doesn't let go, Galain making it look like he's considering other options but stays put.

If G&G are guilty, best case scenario could be they lynch Korv, he comes up inno. They say "oh fuck", well Tellan was the OTHER side of that fiasco so he's next likely.

Well, the korv case hasn't taken off. Next best case scenario would be another non-lynch, which would serve the killers well regardless. (Hence Galain hedging and not moving and Gam "refusing" to move)

Wild speculation? Possibly.

edit: cross post, started after gam's last post.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 08 May 2009 - 11:37 AM

[Ruse]

Nice. Galain defended Gam in a cross post.

[Korvalain]

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 07:35 AM, said:

My thought process is the switch was so that G&G would be in position to set up their Day 3 case to push. It's not a stretch for them to believe that the case would be a slam-dunk, considering the dumb spastic play of Korv. Seems a reasonable place to start. Gamelon the attack dog who doesn't let go, Galain making it look like he's considering other options but stays put.

good point

[Galain]

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

Even if Galain changes votes? Which I dont think he will. He's put cases out there since voting for Korv, but seems content to keep his vote put.

I said I would move if needed, but not with 12 hours left to go yet.

The one case I like so far, not from me, is Ampelas, and I will vote him when I have to. Until now, there's minimal discussions happening, people went on "paranoid" mode and I'm actually being accused of being good and voice of reason or some crap like that, and many of the votes out there are for similar reasons.

I'll keep those paranoid lynches for a bit later in the game. For now, I'd rather keep the ones I feel are playing well around as long as their actions look good to me, because there's a big bunch of players whose minds are very far from being committed to the game.

[Galain]

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 02:36 PM, said:

Nice. Galain defended Gam in a cross post.

Now you're happy with that aluminium hat purchase, aren't you?

[Ruse]

Wait... killers aren't usually pretty committed to the game? We're looking for SCUM, not people who aren't "committed".

[Ruse]

"if you cant refute the logic, attack the man"

Why don't you address my points if you're upset about it, instead of talking about aluminum hats?

[Hood's Path]

Galain, on May 7 2009, 12:14 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 7 2009, 08:07 PM, said:

Read this. I ci'ed Liosan. So did Silanah. If I was scum, why would I CI an inno? Guess what, Tellan is scum. No more from me on that,

The only difference between you and Tellan is that Tellan didn't go from "SCUM! SCUM! SCUM!" to "ERR NO INNO! INNO! INNO" for no reason I can picture, and I have imagination, believe me.

And the killers can CI all the innos if they want, they will always turn out to be right.

let me just come right out and say i believe korv because i went through exactly what he was going through whilst catching up.
had i been there at the time i would have backed korv up 100%

I also find it odd that you still fail to see both sides of the whole cluster fuck at the time. And how Korv is more than likely PI.

It is fairly obvious to me that the guys all arguing about pm's were more than likely all inno's with some being roled and some not, they got different pms because of this and that is why they were all suspecting each other.
Kessoh changed his mind because of something liosan said...that is the moment i also changed my mind.

Now Tellan, i can see why he still could have been gunning for liosan he obvioulsy doesnt know what korv knows.
Tellan has outed himself as either roled or scum...wich sux but i see he wasnt killed last night which is interesting.

Yet i dont think you are roled like tellan probably is OR a RI ...so that leaves you more than likely being scum.
Either scum or you just didnt pick up the signs...

[Galain]

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

Wait... killers aren't usually pretty committed to the game? We're looking for SCUM, not people who aren't "committed".

No, what I mean is that I'm not going to lynch a player just for oh-my-good-this-one-is-good-and-dangerous-and-made-me-boo-boo-in-the-past. If that's not a big part of your case on him (and previous comments about me), then I apologize and please correct me.

[Galain]

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

"if you cant refute the logic, attack the man"

Why don't you address my points if you're upset about it, instead of talking about aluminum hats?

Your cases are paranoid-based, and your vote on Gamelon proves that.

[Ruse]

Cry moar plz.

[Hood's Path]

Rashan, on May 7 2009, 01:46 PM, said:

Ok last thing before I go,

Serc, valid points, honestly I haven't voted because I didn't want to vote anyone who I thought was inno (like Sil/Liosan after that whole role PM crap), and I thought D'riss was just being dumb. Obviously I can vote to show what I am thinking in terms of scum so I'll leave with a vote for

Vote Hood's Path,

because I think there may be a connection between Ruse and HP, Ruse's prince thing was a signal to HP I believe. I could be completely off base but I'll try to drag up some stuff to show my line of thought when I return.

huh?

[Galain]

OK, I'll address your points.

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

To be honest, at this point I am most interested in the people who are appearing smart and collected. THere are some wicked smart players in mafia, with a good chunk of experience, who are still in this game. I HAVE to believe that the scum can play things tight and smooth, and all this looking around for random things to put together is useful to get reactions, but can't be taken as proof of very much. For this reason, I'm beginning to dislike players like Omtose, Gamelon, Galain and Kessobahn. They've put together cases too, but at this point, who hasn't?

We're throwing scrutiny on players like Korv, Tellan for seemingly spectacular reversals which is to some extent is believable but at the same time are conceivable as inno's failing on what they though was a sure thing.

For now, Gamelon's "I'm gonna vote, you all know why and I"m not going to say anything more" is just too damn convenient.

Vote Gamelon

edited for clarity (second paragraph)

I mean, come on, you're making a case or asking me out? Yes, we're calm and composed, but it's a game. We play tight and smooth not not give fodder to get lynched, and if every inno was like this it would help. We put cases and push them to get reactions.

Shit, I would have been happier if you voted me even, at least unlike Gamelon there's no strong proof on thread that I'm inno. Sounds stupid to say but that's how it is.

[Hood's Path]

Galain, on May 7 2009, 12:14 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 7 2009, 08:07 PM, said:

Read this. I ci'ed Liosan. So did Silanah. If I was scum, why would I CI an inno? Guess what, Tellan is scum. No more from me on that,

The only difference between you and Tellan is that Tellan didn't go from "SCUM! SCUM! SCUM!" to "ERR NO INNO! INNO! INNO" for no reason I can picture, and I have imagination, believe me.

And the killers can CI all the innos if they want, they will always turn out to be right.

let me just come right out and say i believe korv because i went through exactly what he was going through whilst catching up.
had i been there at the time i would have backed korv up 100%

I also find it odd that you still fail to see both sides of the whole cluster fuck at the time. And how Korv is more than likely PI.

It is fairly obvious to me that the guys all arguing about pm's were more than likely all inno's with some being roled and some not, they got different pms because of this and that is why they were all suspecting each other.
Kessoh changed his mind because of something liosan said...that is the moment i also changed my mind.

Now Tellan, i can see why he still could have been gunning for liosan he obvioulsy doesnt know what korv knows.
Tellan has outed himself as either roled or scum...wich sux but i see he wasnt killed last night which is interesting.

Yet i dont think you are roled like tellan probably is OR a RI ...so that leaves you more than likely being scum.
Either scum or you just didnt pick up the signs...

[Galain]

Shit, why did I even care about that vote? It's not like Gamelon risked anything.

I'm oversensitive to the meta-votes from many unpleasant altless games, and based on your second sentence that's what I took it to be.

Anyways, going to cool off.

[Hood's Path]

Tellan, on May 7 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

Sorry I had to reread like 10 people from Serc down on the post list. I still find Mockra's play very questionable. I didn't actually think Tennes looked terrible in 5 posts until I came back and saw the middle of the train, drive-by vote. Ampelas reads like someone frustrated with the game but trying to be helpful. Hood's Path is annoying because I dislike that type of game play, but I think I do see the Ruse connection Rashan made above. Rashan's posts didn't ding any bells, but the vote was very interesting. People that play like HP almost always get assumed CI and make it very hard for scum to make a case on them otherwise they take up a night kill. HP claims to be gone all weekend, so good time to try and get a day wasting lynch on him. Similar thing happened last game in the closing days when someone was basically meta-CI'd. Serc, Emu, Fener and Ano I was rather indifferent in my read through. If I missed anyone it's not intentional.

Cross post I'm sure.

How am i "playing"

besides not being able to be online much, what "type" of game play do you say i am playing, you make it sound like i have been gone on purpose.
Everyone knows i cant get online on the weekends...again so what are you on about?

[Gamelon]

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 12:35 PM, said:

I think an inno would just say

wait? your not an inno?

[Gamelon]

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 12:36 PM, said:

Nice. Galain defended Gam in a cross post.

actually he just rubbished you thirty minutes after i did.

[Ruse]

I made points based on observations, which is no less than cases made by other people. Why is MINE the paranoid one?

I indicate you and Gam as partners, but my actual vote is for Gam. If you're inno, why are you flipping out? If Gam gets lynched and is inno, I look like an idiot, not you. ALSO, if my case is as shit as you say, why not ignore it and assume others will think it's paranoid too? You're only lending it legitimacy.


The red herring "omgus" you're trying to pin is also ridiculous. An omgus would have happend back on day 1, but it settled out with no issue. What kind of player is idiot enough to hold a grudge over that?

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wait? your not an inno?

And gamelon, that's not even clever.

edited: spelling
edited: cross post and to indicate which gamelon post I was referring to

This post has been edited by Ruse: 08 May 2009 - 12:05 PM