[Ruse]

Anomandaris, on May 7 2009, 04:56 AM, said:

Ruse, on May 7 2009, 08:43 AM, said:

Make that a cross post with a LOT of bodies.

I just looked over Anomandaris' posts, and there's a reason he hasn't tripped anyone's wire. He's very friendly, agreeable, says he is having trouble understanding what's going on and manages not to make any waves. Joined the Driss vote late. Joined the Liosan vote when it was hot. Gives a happy pot/kettle argument when someone mentions he's lurking.

And that's a load of crap too. I did not join the vote on D'riss late, there were 3 or 4 votes out of an eventual 13 when I joined. So stop throwing lies out there hoping they will stick. And no-one mentioned I was lurking. I was playing it straight just like I always do. And WTF does it mean anyway about the voting. I either joined late or early and either way it was wrong?

Omtose, this was it. This was his next post after his apeshit post. He conveniently quoted me so I didn't have to go back and find my original post.

[Galain]

"general scumminess" doesn't mean "this guy is generally scummy, my nose itches when I think of him".

I opposed "general scumminess", i.e. this person behaves in a way which works against town to "interaction scumminess", i.e. these players seem to defend/ignore each other.


I don't mind the pressure, it's normal since indeed I didn't get any until now. But you say "I'll use any excuse to get Korvalain" as if it's a scummy thing to do, what the fuck, I think he's scum, isn't "pointing out the reasons why and arguing for them" the whole point of a case?

Yes, I want Korvalain lynched. Day one he exploded all over the place. Day 2 he actively pushed the role PM thing in order to expose players who were RI and, hopefully in his mind, players who were not. And whenever someone looked at him for any of that, the went "lynch me" "modkill me" "I give up" shit on us. So yes, I want him lynched.

[Ruse]

Ok, Ano was right about one thing and I made a mistake. He was the 5th person to vote D'riss, so it wasn't a late addition. I must have gotten the post times messed up when I was sifting through things.

I stand corrected.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 14 hours and 23 minutes remaining


17 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Tellan, Tennes

9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night

2 votes for Galain: ( Emurlahn, Omtose )
3 votes for Ampelas: ( Kessobahn, Fener, Tennes )
1 vote for Tellan: ( Korvalain )
3 votes for Korvalain: ( Gamelon, Galain, Ampelas )
1 vote for Hood's Path: ( Rashan )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Hood's Path, Korlat, Mockra, Ruse, Serc, Tellan

[Hood's Path]

Omtose, on May 7 2009, 11:23 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on May 7 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 7 2009, 08:43 AM, said:

you really need to read it to believe it

How long do you think it will take to read 800 posts?

Hood's Path, on May 7 2009, 02:01 PM, said:

well...if someone could just point me to some of the important bits it would be appreciated, Ive only been able to really post to avoid modkill.

I really dont have the time to catch up properly, and i only have tomorrow as i am not online this weeknd, so by monday ill be a 9000 posts behind. and completely out of the loop.

This kind of pisses me off. If you can't play, don't play. Don't expect us to summarise everything for you. If that's what you want, wait for the IMDB plot synopsis instead.

seriously...go fuck yourself.
I had no idea i would be swamped at work and that my internet would bomb out as badly as it did.
IF i HAD known ofcourse i wouldnt have signed up you tosser!! I cant predict the fucking future!!!
Get off that high horse of yours and think for one goddamn second before you start throwing around your lofty views.

You think i should just give up playing because i have unexpected RL issues?

Now i have said i will attempt to catch up but that will now take all day.
who do you think is more "pissed off"?
you... or me?
fucksakes

[Hood's Path]

I am busy catching up now
So all my posts are more than likely going to be quotes from 20 odd pages back.

Tough luck if you get annoyed but thats the way i am going to do this.
If i fond something suspect i am going to post it so if it HAS been discussed later on and i have not been there yet you will have to just bare with me.
SO...

This first post is from way back page 10 (40 posts per page)

Omtose, on May 5 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 03:24 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 5 2009, 03:04 PM, said:

Galain, on May 5 2009, 02:58 PM, said:

I have to go, I'm a bit disappointed by Silanah's recent posts, I was waiting for him to see if I should keep my vote.

My case is around and not hard to follow, but for those who only skim (quite a few, it seems)

1) D'riss over-reaction to a semi-joke vote by Korvalain on Silanah, as if he felt he needed to "diffuse" the pressure quickly
2) Kessobahn saying "innos have lovers too", as if the "partner" case had any validity. It's like he knew that Silanah had a partner indeed and tried to defend him by saying "Err, well, he's paired, but so are some innos, right?". That Kesso post was bizarre, then he disappeared.
3) Someone once said "Vote D'riss, though I'm less suspicious of Silanah". I have no idea what it means, but once again someone feels the need to mention Silanah is less suspicious for some reason, as if he ever really was.

That's it and all, maybe it's all wrong interpretations and nothing but coincidences and akward wordings, but that's what I saw until now.

Will be back soon.

You know i would add that it looked like korvalain made a poor case citing silanah and his partner possibly to prove to silanah that he knew they had a partner (ie he was pointing out his sympish status) and then when driss rubbished the case he jumped out to say it wasnt a case before it picked up steam. We then had then had those others jump in.

remove vote

vote silanah

Thats stronger than my case on ruse.

I know that it is hard being a member of the town, but it seems like many people arent trying very hard to participate in the game, hopefully things pick up soon.

In the red: We have a convoluted case based on defences of a very bad case. That, to me, is just trying to find an excuse. Lord, I found it hard to even understand his argument, there.
In the blue: Seems like he's trying to say "I'm town", and then"follow me."
So, I dislike that... Seems sympish, to me. Saying I'm town is a subtle way to make himself seem very inno if he comes up "Inno/symp".
So, I'm gonna vote for Galain, because this seems like a totally fabricated way to follow someone else's very vague, non commital suspicions.

I agree that Gamelon's reasoning there is bizarre to say the least. It took me two re-reads to know what the hell he was even going on about.

Which kind of makes me think he's just an inno clutching at straws.

Though I also didn't like the "I know that it is hard being a member of the town" remark. It's like, "hey look at me I'm on your side"

Now i find it extremely strange that Omtose would agree that Gamelon's reasoning is "bizzarre"
But that makes him think that gamelon is a "INNO" clutching at straws?
Why an inno?
why not scum cluthing at straws?
I mean that is what scum do all game is make up bullshit cases on innocent people, correct?
This strikes me as odd and could be Omtose covering for a partner in crime.

Then he goes on to point out that he didnt like the "I know that it is hard being a member of the town" remark by gamelon.
Doesnt want to be too obvious with his protection of gamelon perhaps?


SO...He thinks the Gamelons reasoning is bizarre yet that makes him innocent in his eyes, YET...he doesnt like the Town remark?
i smell something weird here...

[Hood's Path]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 01:49 PM, said:

You know what kinda bothers me? I have been on and off most of the day, and there have ben 8,10 even 12 people on at one time, yet only 3 or 4 posting during that time. Sure some leave thier browsers on (I do) but I've noticed that after a while it will log you out of the Users viewing part. (I get that by being Path-Shaper and hitting refresh to see that someone has said PS is on now, when in fact my browser was there on that page the whole time so I don't have to back-track). We should have a game were everyone logs in as visible, and keep everyone honest. Sorry, just wanted to rant a little at the lack of discussion happening right now, and a time count would be nice.

just wanted to point out, that lurking is a honest to god tactic that killers are allowed to employ.
So making everyone log in as visible would take that option away.
Dirty tactic yes...but a tactic none the less.

back to the catch up....

[Hood's Path]

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 03:15 PM, said:

Tellan, on May 5 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

Korvalain, on May 5 2009, 01:05 PM, said:

@ Shadow- I see nothing wrong with what you just did, not sure why Tellan did. Whats your problem man? We cut out the meaningless crap all the time, as to the quote tags, who cares who said it, it was a freaking joke response.

Because it makes things easier to read especially for the people who skim/don't bother reading and cutting things out the way he is doing can be construed poorly. Stop antagonizing after he and I made nice. You are being too obvious.

Its cause your a dickbag. And you didn't make nice until after I posted. Strawmanning dickbag. (Also, if you aren't who I think you are, alt wise, I appologize for calling you a dickbag.)

Its a running gag. If you are in fact who I think you are, then yes, I still think you are a dickbag.

this what you were looking for ?

[Galain]

Invisible log-in is in the rules for a reason.

It's to avoid having some players obtaining/using information which is not available on thread later for the rest or for review. If you use the argument that "X was lurking at that time, I saw him", nobody can say if it's true or not.


I'll add one thing on Omtose.


I'm a bit disappointed that he comes to bite me by twisting my conclusion about the killers maybe not being aware of one another, since, like I said, he's the only one who picked up on it originally and did something good with it.

This "Prince" thing by Ruse sounded bizarre at the time because it argued that "the prince" would be trying to signal his partners, which made no sense. But under that light, it does, and Omtose's catch I found was brilliant when he brought it back. But then he quickly downplayed it by adding "flogging dead horse" everytime he brought the point.

It's like he's hoping someone else will run with it and get the heat if it turns out false. It's not like him to shy like that, and I don't like it. It's a small detail, but still.

[Hood's Path]

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 03:38 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 5 2009, 06:28 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

@ Meanas:

You've taken the number of posts people have, done a pseudo-mathematical approach to picking targets, picked on a few things (the rodent of unusual size was used during the Princess Bride day by Shinrei, iirc, so its not an unusual thing to remember, yet you seem to find it very specific, and still claim to not have seen it... That was just going around in circles. It's Day One, so posts are bound to suffer from a lack of content; look at my first few posts for God's sake.
I have had some wine today, so expect this counter-argument to be a little bit over the place, btw.
You are excluding Korvalain because his posting content wasn't average? I disagree. In fact, I find that his posts have been no more or less valuable than anyone elses. Because of this ridiculous attempt to finger half a dozen people, I'm tempted to label one or two as PI, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the plan.
A flimsy case like this stands up to no examination, but if, by chance, one of these people is lynched and they come up scum, you can clear youself slightly by having "suspected" them earlier.
I'm going to vote Gamelon, because you seem to be excluding him for jumping about and not being sure whether to place a vote on Ruse or not; I've so far seen nothing from Ruse that has drawn my eye that much, whereas I dislike Gamelon's style already.
Vote Gamelon
Because of the argument you made, because he isn't standing by his own arguments, because I think he's jumping around, which I find suspicious.

omgus.

i had my vote on ruse and he answered my argument, you though have people defending you and korvalain making a ridiculous case which caused a shitstorm all resulting from a single vote on you. I havent jumped around at all so you voting me for that reason seems like desperation

i am getting happier with my vote every time you post.

I love posts like this.
Gamelon, I'm gonna be after you tomorrow.

isnt silanah dead now?

wifom i know...but

[Hood's Path]

Omtose, on May 5 2009, 03:50 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on May 5 2009, 09:38 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 5 hours and 47 minutes remaining

24 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Silanah, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

13 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night

1 vote for Galain: ( Silanah )
1 vote for Omtose: ( Barghast )
1 vote for Shadow: ( Meanas )
1 vote for Meanas: ( Tennes )
1 vote for Telas: ( Kessobahn )
3 votes for Silanah: ( Galain, Gamelon, Omtose )
1 vote for Ruse: ( Serc )
7 votes for D'riss: ( Korvalain, Ruse, Shadow, Telas, Anomandaris, Fener, Ampelas )

Players not voted: D'riss, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Korlat, Liosan, Mockra, Rashan, Tellan

Ok, I think we're starting to run out of time, and I'm a firm believer that we need a lynch.

I'm not too hot on the D'riss case, but I can't see anyone else as an option with this much time left and I won't be on much longer.

remove vote
vote D'riss

been slamming the driss case all day 1....yet he votes d'riss.

[Anomandaris]

First - sorry I didn't get back on yesterday. I was really poorly in the late afternoon and evening ~ no, not fishing for sympathy, just explaining.

I can see Galain is still unhappy with my outburst...not as unhappy as I am, but hey ho!

I'll try and explain again. It wasn't contrived (a thought occurrs - if you have alt guessed me I can see why you would think that, but you are wrong). My anger was misdirected though. Not that I think that clears Tell. I still think his play was wierd (and I am not convinced he wasn't trying to set himself up for some sort of fake reveal, but I haven't quite worked out in my head how that would actually work ), and if I had to do the same again I would...only I probably wouldn't go to bed.

No, I was angry with myself. Reading it all through I was angry with myself (anyone smell burning martyr...we really need a martyr smiley you know!) for derailing a lynch and wasting a day. We lost a lot that night, and lynching Lio would not have helped, but I genuinely believed Tell knew something. Anyway, I think that episode has been done to death.

So, I am, hopefully, around today if there are any more questions, although like I always say bear with me if I don't answer straight away. I am either not at my laptop or reading.

One thing - I am likeing the case on Galain (oh my goodness not OMGUS??). There's just one thing that makes me think he's inno. (There that had you... ) and it's his case on me!!!! He has persisted with mentioning it for 24 hours, in the face of pretty much zero support. Not really a scum tactic?

I have to go and read through again, because I have only scanned from where I left off yesterday.

Oh - remind me when this is over that I hate mafia and I never want to play again.../joke]...ish


Edit: And guess what...cross posted.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 08 May 2009 - 08:33 AM

[Anomandaris]

Oh, and Ruse - sorry for flaming you. I didn't mean to, I was still a bit...um, het up I guess...no tamping is a better word!

[Galain]

Anomandaris, on May 8 2009, 11:40 AM, said:

Oh, and Ruse - sorry for flaming you. I didn't mean to, I was still a bit...um, het up I guess...no tamping is a better word!

If it makes you feel better, he called me a "non-entity"

[Anomandaris]

Galain, on May 8 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on May 8 2009, 11:40 AM, said:

Oh, and Ruse - sorry for flaming you. I didn't mean to, I was still a bit...um, het up I guess...no tamping is a better word!

If it makes you feel better, he called me a "non-entity"

Do you know for some reason that does...make me feel better that is!

[Hood's Path]

Gamelon, on May 5 2009, 05:20 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 11:17 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 5 2009, 11:14 PM, said:

Silanah, on May 5 2009, 11:12 PM, said:

Well, did I not suggest that town was "inno"?
Lord above, Gamelon, you really are barking up the wrong tree...

that line i wrote was pretty similar to one in an innos pm, only two people mentioned it because without an inno pm it would read like the scummiest thing you can say on day 1, but only you and omtose mentioned it. face it sil, you either cant read, or your scum.

night folks.

Or it would read like you are dropping a guess, that, when proven true, would be handy in making you look more innocent... This is a ridiculous argument, and I have no time for it. You have basically said "Well, I'm inno, and someone else didn't clear me because I said it, so they have to be scum."
My vote on you remains, dear sir.

i have never before recieved in my pm, you are a member of the town. usually it is you are an inno, and if symp you will cf inno. you name one other game where we recieved you are a member of the town in your pm and i wont vote for you ever again.

and guessing? hahah, i used the exact same tactic when we played the rome game, and every ri recognised it and i survived, so you should play intelligently and go look after your partner.

so you are saying the word innocent is not in your pm...only town....
This is kinda bordering on mod killable breaking the rules ya know.

[Anomandaris]

I have just discovered something...reading the posts backwards (ie in reverse order not literally backwards...because that would be plain stupid) they make even less sense than reading them forwards...so I don't recommend it as a strategy...just thought I would throw that out there if you were wondering how to move forward... . Sorry, but I hate it when things get heavy (oh noes, now I sound like a hippy...no offence to any hippies taking part btw.)


Edit: Cross post...I think I should just put this at the bottom of all my posts to start off with, save a lot of time really.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 08 May 2009 - 08:54 AM

[Anomandaris]

Sorry about this, but posting as I read.

@ Korv - being single minded by all means (like I said, I'm still a bit dubious about him...and you...oh alright everyone else as well)...but please enough of the martyr already. There is only room for one in mafia (hell in the forum) and that's me...and I have a contract that says so somewhere...or at least I will have in a few minutes.


Edit: Okay, ignore that - Omtose already told him...tell you what I'll make notes and just do one post at the end...less likely to look such a nit that way.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 08 May 2009 - 09:05 AM

[Gamelon]

am back and reading up.

[Hood's Path]

Ruse, on May 6 2009, 03:04 AM, said:

It seems we have several different people with different takes on Shadow. However, all of those takes are "he's kinda scummy", just with different reasoning behind that feeling. Tellan, Emurlahn, Korv, Meanas and myself have all commented on some aspect of Shadow's posting. As I noted earlier, it seemed like he cleaned up his play after I called him on his hedging. So rather than defending himself or saying "that's just how I word things", he quietly changed what I was seeing in his posts.
Since enough people have smelled a strange funk, all for different reasons, I don't think it's too strange for me to lay a vote down.

Vote Shadow

This is just after the gamelon and shadow discussion about role pm's.
Any inno at least RI would know that shadow was more than likely roled after what he said about wanting to know what driss' name was...

Yet Ruse votes him?...interesting...
especially since we now know shadow is inno