[Galain]

Also, Ruse, I want to point out that more than half of your "G&G" case contains your interpretation of how "we will play" in the future.


This allows you to show powerful suspicious behavior, that we didn't even do. You're very manipulative.

[Ruse]

Gamelon, on May 8 2009, 04:03 AM, said:

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 12:36 PM, said:

Nice. Galain defended Gam in a cross post.

actually he just rubbished you thirty minutes after i did.

Wow, I've really hit a nerve haven't I.

Quick, let's see who can discredit me faster?

[Gamelon]

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 01:03 PM, said:

Quote

wait? your not an inno?

And gamelon, that's not even clever.

edited: spelling
edited: cross post and to indicate which gamelon post I was referring to

you mean the fact that you wrote on thread how you "think an inno would act" and not how you would act?

therefore implying to me, that you are not inno.

[Gamelon]

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 8 2009, 04:03 AM, said:

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 12:36 PM, said:

Nice. Galain defended Gam in a cross post.

actually he just rubbished you thirty minutes after i did.

Wow, I've really hit a nerve haven't I.

Quick, let's see who can discredit me faster?

to be discredited you have to have built some credit int he first place, and hit a nerve? no i just call it as i say it. you said galain defended me in a cross post, yet he posted a single line thirty minutes after me. your case is built on what we are planning to do, implying that you know we are a team and have some knowledge of what we are aiming toward. you make no use of evidence beyond voting the same way, with two days worth of votes... so in a large case you have spent twenty lines making stuff up and calling us G&G to link us in peoples minds, and then only one line is evidence that doesnt point to anything other than we had similar suspects.

thats a strong case, here let me add to it, both our names start with G we are definitely working together, the alpahbet said so

[Ruse]

You won't address my point but will instead build a strawman. Semantics? Commooooon.

Context:
"A true inno would do this. A scum would do this." It has nothing to do with me.

[Gamelon]

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

You won't address my point but will instead build a strawman. Semantics? Commooooon.

Context:
"A true inno would do this. A scum would do this." It has nothing to do with me.

i am building a straw man? bit rich from a player who just made a case on what two players will do on days four and five when we arent through day 3 yet

as for semantics, all the evidence we have is in what is written, you wrote "i think an inno would", not "i would have". therefore subconciously you do not associate yourself with the inno team, ergo you are scum.

[Ruse]

Gamelon, on May 8 2009, 04:12 AM, said:

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 8 2009, 04:03 AM, said:

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 12:36 PM, said:

Nice. Galain defended Gam in a cross post.

actually he just rubbished you thirty minutes after i did.

Wow, I've really hit a nerve haven't I.

Quick, let's see who can discredit me faster?

to be discredited you have to have built some credit int he first place, and hit a nerve? no i just call it as i say it. you said galain defended me in a cross post, yet he posted a single line thirty minutes after me.

When he posted in between my vote and my case, he was referring to my post, which he quoted. Keep trying.

And that alphabet thing isn't clever either.

[Ruse]

Ok, you're obviously trying to lead me down a merry chase with half-witted "defenses" in hopes that my point will get lost.

My point has been made. Both you and Galain cried a lot, so I'm just going to leave it there for others to decide.

[Gamelon]

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 01:15 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 8 2009, 04:12 AM, said:

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 8 2009, 04:03 AM, said:

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 12:36 PM, said:

Nice. Galain defended Gam in a cross post.

actually he just rubbished you thirty minutes after i did.

Wow, I've really hit a nerve haven't I.

Quick, let's see who can discredit me faster?

to be discredited you have to have built some credit int he first place, and hit a nerve? no i just call it as i say it. you said galain defended me in a cross post, yet he posted a single line thirty minutes after me.

When he posted in between my vote and my case, he was referring to my post, which he quoted. Keep trying.

And that alphabet thing isn't clever either.

you keep saying things like that, but to be honest you are just making yourself look foolish. The fact is you implciated the both of us, and now you have to have both of us defending ourselves against your accusations. if i made two cases on say you and ampelas and ampelas came back and rubbished the case even though i voted on you, wouldnt you find it a little odd if i said ampelas was defending you and then integrated that into my case?

So take you brain and engage it before you respond next time about clever.

[Gamelon]

Ruse, on May 8 2009, 01:18 PM, said:

Ok, you're obviously trying to lead me down a merry chase with half-witted "defenses" in hopes that my point will get lost.

My point has been made. Both you and Galain cried a lot, so I'm just going to leave it there for others to decide.

you really are a strange little man, you make a case, and when people defend themselves against it they are crying, and now that we have tore it to pieces we are leading you on a merry chase. perhaps you should have voted tennes again, he wont defend himself, or are we voting for your master and you felt you needed to step in?

"oh no mumsie, the slick and smart players wont let me railroad then! how dares they respond to my case! its my case its my case, its my CASE!!!"



if your gonna say something you gotta have the stones to back it up ruse.

[Hood's Path]

so i am finally caught up....


wheeeaaaw.... 5h 30min SOLID...

So ive got like an hour and a half now to discuss and then its the weekend were on monday i will no doubt have another 20 pages to catch up on.

[Gamelon]

just in time for the weekend to disappear for three days

[Korvalain]

Hood's Path, on May 8 2009, 08:26 AM, said:

so i am finally caught up....


wheeeaaaw.... 5h 30min SOLID...

So ive got like an hour and a half now to discuss and then its the weekend were on monday i will no doubt have another 20 pages to catch up on.

Glad at least one person knows Im not insane.

Now. My question. After all that. Do you think Tellan is scum?

Also, were, after all that, do your suspicions lie?

[Korvalain]

Gamelon, on May 8 2009, 08:23 AM, said:

if your gonna say something you gotta have the stones to back it up ruse.

Just pointing out, but Galain might be fake symping you.

[Gamelon]

Korvalain, on May 8 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

Gamelon, on May 8 2009, 08:23 AM, said:

if your gonna say something you gotta have the stones to back it up ruse.

Just pointing out, but Galain might be fake symping you.

i actually sent a pm to pathshaper saying, "i hate when people connect me to others on thread as if that player is scum i can see myself being purposefully killed so that the linkage is used to prove their innocence." entitled galain.

so yeah, i see that, but at the end of the day, ruse made a case and then accused me of crying when i responded to it.

@korv - i have sort of calmed down slightly, but i just want to know, did you try to be so disruptive, because to me, for two days running you have somehow made everything go to shit in a handgrenade.

[Galain]

OK, sorry for my outburst, I calmed down now. It was both useless and, I should say, bad play.

There's no sympage necessary to be annoyed at the vote on Gamelon. You build your game and reasoning like a house, with bricks that fit on top of the others, not like some kite flying in the wind this way or the other. HP explained not so long before why I don't look at Gamelon as a possible suspect anymore, Ruse just comes out of nowhere with a OMG he's good and still alive! vote and it irked me.


edit: missing "why"

This post has been edited by Galain: 08 May 2009 - 12:50 PM

[Hood's Path]

Gamelon, on May 8 2009, 07:30 AM, said:

just in time for the weekend to disappear for three days

cant be helped

[Tellan]

Hood's Path, on May 8 2009, 04:58 AM, said:

Tellan, on May 7 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

Sorry I had to reread like 10 people from Serc down on the post list. I still find Mockra's play very questionable. I didn't actually think Tennes looked terrible in 5 posts until I came back and saw the middle of the train, drive-by vote. Ampelas reads like someone frustrated with the game but trying to be helpful. Hood's Path is annoying because I dislike that type of game play, but I think I do see the Ruse connection Rashan made above. Rashan's posts didn't ding any bells, but the vote was very interesting. People that play like HP almost always get assumed CI and make it very hard for scum to make a case on them otherwise they take up a night kill. HP claims to be gone all weekend, so good time to try and get a day wasting lynch on him. Similar thing happened last game in the closing days when someone was basically meta-CI'd. Serc, Emu, Fener and Ano I was rather indifferent in my read through. If I missed anyone it's not intentional.

Cross post I'm sure.

How am i "playing"

besides not being able to be online much, what "type" of game play do you say i am playing, you make it sound like i have been gone on purpose.
Everyone knows i cant get online on the weekends...again so what are you on about?

Everyone playing doesn't know that. The "type" of game you are playing is the meta-defense game. It is a game because you brought it on to the board and now you are basically alting yourself on thread to those people who should be able to figure it out. It happens to be my pet peeve and so I call it out when I see it. Why? Because it's a virtually unassailable position, there is no counter-argument to it. I can't come over to your house and say no guys he's lurking all weekend, we caught him! So again what's the problem? By introducing it on thread we now have to decide whether we believe you or not and whether or not you are using it as a tactic and will never get that information. I'm not sure why you are upset as I said for most people it's probably going to CI you as it has in the past. I just hate it because it steals focus and it's not a game related defense.

[Hood's Path]

Korvalain, on May 8 2009, 07:37 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on May 8 2009, 08:26 AM, said:

so i am finally caught up....


wheeeaaaw.... 5h 30min SOLID...

So ive got like an hour and a half now to discuss and then its the weekend were on monday i will no doubt have another 20 pages to catch up on.

Glad at least one person knows Im not insane.

Now. My question. After all that. Do you think Tellan is scum?

Also, were, after all that, do your suspicions lie?

My initial feeling was that tellan is Inno...just roled like he claims...and that he went against you and liosan because his pm is different.
I dont think he would have been that confident if he was scum...

As for my suspects, right now they are too many to be certain about any.

just off the top of my head though

Galain - He seemed cock sure that you are guilty becasue of you switching your attitude towards liosan.
i figure that any inno could guess what was going down if he looked hard enough.
I think Galain found what he perceived to be a scummy looking slip by yourself and is now trying to capitalize on it.

Ruse - There is something there, i didnt like how he went after shadow, when at the time i felt shadow made a few slips at being roled.

Ampelas, mockra, tennes, anomander (im sure i am missing a few more)
Are all cruising allong.
Sure ampelas has gotten a bit of heat but he has not been too convincing in my humble opinion.

jeez who else is playing?

after reading all that i need time to digest it all, its really all too much to make any sense right off the bat like that.
As you read you go jeez thats scummy...only to later think the same person is looking inno....

wheeew

[Korvalain]

Gamelon, on May 8 2009, 08:44 AM, said:

@korv - i have sort of calmed down slightly, but i just want to know, did you try to be so disruptive, because to me, for two days running you have somehow made everything go to shit in a handgrenade.

Its all in spoilers. Thats all i can say. however the fact that HP actually understands who started what and when, makes me feel a little better. I keep getting flack for being disruptive. But thats not how the whole thing went down. Although reading the thread, I see were that assumption came from. I am super agressive at times (mostly RL issues, bleeding into the game), but when I think I found scum, I push, and flail, and kick, and scream, and expect everyone to see what I see. However not many people do, and I end up looking like a douche. So yeah, you want to say I have been kicking up a shit-storm ,I say nope, I've just been pushing my case against tons of people, who don't really know the whole story. Which is in fact typed up and sitting on a shelf in spoilers waiting to be read.