[Ruse]

Telas, on Apr 29 2009, 01:56 AM, said:

Serc, your post hits a lot of nails on the head. Team killers is a tough thing to beat if the guards really are useless. I know there's some doubt as to whether Fener and/or Korv were telling the truth, but if they both WERE telling the truth, and with both being dead, there's a good chance we're SOL.

I posted around day 2/3 or so that I thought Kesso revealed with a half-truth to save his partner. Basically, they were paired and both saw the results of the finds so Kess also knew Mockra was scum. He certainly had enough conviction in it to reveal. Fener was on the block so Kess says he found him inno night 1 to cover for him since they were teamed.

As for the 2 paired killers theory vs. 2 paired guards. It does seem overpowered and not something Bent would do. I am wondering if maybe there is a second solo guard (3 total people, 2 independent guards). Being able to coordinate 2 guards a night would seem to be overpowering, but keeping them off outside coms could make sense.

Which leads to healers, which I've had a worrying feeling about for a while. Suffice to say this is Barfight.

[Ruse]

Welcome back Ano, any thoughts?

I'm in a bit of a quandry as to what to do since the contamination of mod knowledge changed the way I was thinking about the game.

[Anomandaris]

vote shadow

we probably still have 2 killers out there then, though to be fair i am snowed at worked and finding it hard to make sense of all this.

[Anomandaris]

Ruse, on Apr 29 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

Welcome back Ano, any thoughts?

I'm in a bit of a quandry as to what to do since the contamination of mod knowledge changed the way I was thinking about the game.

weird cross post, i am pretty much lost now. the way bent worded the pms made me initially think only one killer and loads of symps, but with the consensus agaisnt that i guess pressure is back on shadow.

[Ruse]

Alright, I'll be around for a while longer, watching videos so in and out.

edit -grammar

This post has been edited by Ruse: 29 April 2009 - 10:25 AM

[Telas]

@Ano
I wouldn't go so far as to say we have a consensus. More collective confusion than anything.

[Anomandaris]

well unless anyone is going to make a case or vote a different direction i guess we are going with shadow as i dont think any other case has been made.

[Anomandaris]

think we have six hours left.

[Serc]

Anomandaris, on Apr 29 2009, 11:52 AM, said:

Ruse, on Apr 29 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

Welcome back Ano, any thoughts?

I'm in a bit of a quandry as to what to do since the contamination of mod knowledge changed the way I was thinking about the game.

weird cross post, i am pretty much lost now. the way bent worded the pms made me initially think only one killer and loads of symps, but with the consensus agaisnt that i guess pressure is back on shadow.

I dunno if there's a consensus on paired scum. I for one have no idea one way or the other, which is my I'm so lost at the moment. Ruse suggested that there had to be paired scum because we had an NK the night Mockra was lynched. As I said, there are ways that Bent could have gotten around that. The problem is that we cant tell for sure either way and each situation would require different courses of action.

If any of the people that you have guarded since Mockra died come up scum, then we know there are definitely paired scum. That's three players now though, which is more than we can afford to lose at the moment, and even if they all come up inno, it doesnt prove that there arent paired scum. The only way to do that would be to successfully get a guard through. I would really like for the killer to be a single player with lots of symps, since that makes it much easier to cross players off our list. WCS is that the killers are paired and noone is cleared right now Feck.

[Anomandaris]

Serc, on Apr 29 2009, 11:44 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Apr 29 2009, 11:52 AM, said:

Ruse, on Apr 29 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

Welcome back Ano, any thoughts?

I'm in a bit of a quandry as to what to do since the contamination of mod knowledge changed the way I was thinking about the game.

weird cross post, i am pretty much lost now. the way bent worded the pms made me initially think only one killer and loads of symps, but with the consensus agaisnt that i guess pressure is back on shadow.

I dunno if there's a consensus on paired scum. I for one have no idea one way or the other, which is my I'm so lost at the moment. Ruse suggested that there had to be paired scum because we had an NK the night Mockra was lynched. As I said, there are ways that Bent could have gotten around that. The problem is that we cant tell for sure either way and each situation would require different courses of action.

If any of the people that you have guarded since Mockra died come up scum, then we know there are definitely paired scum. That's three players now though, which is more than we can afford to lose at the moment, and even if they all come up inno, it doesnt prove that there arent paired scum. The only way to do that would be to successfully get a guard through. I would really like for the killer to be a single player with lots of symps, since that makes it much easier to cross players off our list. WCS is that the killers are paired and noone is cleared right now Feck.

If we work off the assumption its one killer and loads of symps then tellan and shadow are definitely not the killer at the moment but gamelon, serc, omtose, telas, tennes, korlat, ampelas, emurlahn and ruse are possible killers.

out of those tennes and korlat where both absent for large portions of the weekend and indeed tennes missed a day night cycle so couldnt be a solo killer either (or at least are not likely to be). Serc was mentioned specifically by meanas, while emurlahn was linked with mockra.

If we work on the assumption of paired killers, pretty much everyone is a suspect and could be a killer.

[Shadow]

The one thing which is really odd about the Fener-Kesso situation is that upon Kesso's death, Fener said he had tried to investigate him, but, as Kesso was killed, didn't get anything. For one thing, this strongly implies that Fener and Kesso were not paired - one or the other was lying. One or the other was a symp attempting to take their master's place - it doesn't matter too much which because we've all concluded that no one is cleared as of yet.

I also think there are a pair of killers out there, but this is an assumption, it just seems more likely to me.

Omtose says that my rebuttal to the case on me wasn't strong, but he doesn't say why it wasn't. Not sure what else I can do to convince you other than point out that Ampelas' case is a huge logistical nightmare which had very little chance of ever succeeding.

[Anomandaris]

Shadow, on Apr 29 2009, 12:04 PM, said:

The one thing which is really odd about the Fener-Kesso situation is that upon Kesso's death, Fener said he had tried to investigate him, but, as Kesso was killed, didn't get anything. For one thing, this strongly implies that Fener and Kesso were not paired - one or the other was lying. One or the other was a symp attempting to take their master's place - it doesn't matter too much which because we've all concluded that no one is cleared as of yet.

I also think there are a pair of killers out there, but this is an assumption, it just seems more likely to me.

Omtose says that my rebuttal to the case on me wasn't strong, but he doesn't say why it wasn't. Not sure what else I can do to convince you other than point out that Ampelas' case is a huge logistical nightmare which had very little chance of ever succeeding.

So who do you think is a killer? You are defending yourself a lot today, but you are not actually accusing anyone or voting.

[Shadow]

Anomandaris, on Apr 29 2009, 12:07 PM, said:

Shadow, on Apr 29 2009, 12:04 PM, said:

The one thing which is really odd about the Fener-Kesso situation is that upon Kesso's death, Fener said he had tried to investigate him, but, as Kesso was killed, didn't get anything. For one thing, this strongly implies that Fener and Kesso were not paired - one or the other was lying. One or the other was a symp attempting to take their master's place - it doesn't matter too much which because we've all concluded that no one is cleared as of yet.

I also think there are a pair of killers out there, but this is an assumption, it just seems more likely to me.

Omtose says that my rebuttal to the case on me wasn't strong, but he doesn't say why it wasn't. Not sure what else I can do to convince you other than point out that Ampelas' case is a huge logistical nightmare which had very little chance of ever succeeding.

So who do you think is a killer? You are defending yourself a lot today, but you are not actually accusing anyone or voting.

I'm not sure. I'm currently going back over posts in another window.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 5 hours and 22 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

4 votes for Shadow: ( Gamelon, Omtose, Anomandaris, Ampelas)

Players not voted: Emurlahn, Korlat, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

[Korlat]

Well I must be going to sleep now.. though I would prefer a lynch on Tellan, Shadow does seem a little suspicious too..
Vote Shadow

[Shadow]

Regarding my earlier post on Kesso, I've just noticed, and thought it was interesting, that Kesso only ever said that he investigated Fener, and found him inno. But he would have had another investigation, which he never mentioned.

[Gamelon]

Shadow, on Apr 29 2009, 04:42 AM, said:

Regarding my earlier post on Kesso, I've just noticed, and thought it was interesting, that Kesso only ever said that he investigated Fener, and found him inno. But he would have had another investigation, which he never mentioned.

Well, the entire reveal did read as if Kesso was very hurried, and if my theory of Fener and Kesso being partners is correct, naming a second name would clear someone (for the time being) who may or may not have been scum. Could be Kesso wanted to avoid that.

[Shadow]

But if they were partners, which continues to strike me as unlikely, then another person was named. Yourself.

[Shadow]

Ok, think I found something...maybe. Building a case now.

[Ruse]

Kessobahn, on Apr 26 2009, 07:38 PM, said:

okay, i cannot believe i have to do this, but time to let it ride

-I am a finder-

I have absolutely no idea if Fener is telling the truth about being a Finder, but I can state that Fener is innocent

i performed my find on Fener on night 1 (because he was aggressive day 1) after my 'drive by post' and completely missed night 2 due to RL.

i don't know what his game is, i have no idea how much of his statements are truth, but he is not guilty and lynching him is a terrible idea

i completely understand that this probably means i'm going to get killed tonight if fener is not lynched but consider that in the worst case scenario if fener is lying, you lynch Mockra today, Fener tomorrow, and me the next, and you've killed 2 scum at the expense of 1 inno lynch, 2 inno NKs.

i'm pissed i had to do this because it will kill me off too damn soon, but i'm certain you're going to lynch an innocent man.

Kess says he didn't get a second find due to RL. Again, I think he's covering his partner Fener and doesn't want to have to cover a lie about a second find later.