[Anomandaris]

@telas - scratch that - i am befuddled, took pathshapers post as an order of votes, when it wasnt.

[Telas]

@anomandaris By my count, Omtose was the 8th vote, and only put in because it was bedtime (which actually allays the suspicion).

It is certainly possible I"m addled about the situation, but I don't think my count (Omtose voted for Mokra 8th) is wrong. Remember, PS said he wasn't recording votes in the order they were placed.

edit: cross post

This post has been edited by Telas: 27 April 2009 - 02:20 PM

[Serc]

Cool, there's tons of time on the clock, a largish pool of reasonably suspicious behaviour and some good discussion. This game is actually going quite well I think, other than the Ballsup that was this morning. Fener, if you can find those quotes where Mockra was defending Emur then I think that is definitely a good place to start. Like Ano says, we need to decide who's doing what tonight. (Hypothetical) Healer should obviously go for either Fener or Ano, but since both of them have partners it's up to them who. Once we've decided who to lynch, then we just need to decide who to find and who to guard before the hammer.

Although I do have this suggestion. What Fener says is true, there is a good possibility he's going to die sometime soon. Rather investigate the players that we are very likely to lynch, maybe they should concentrate on people who havent really come up yet. We have the numbers at this point and we can afford to lose an inno or two if it protects the finder. I mean if Driss gets found as inno tonight and Fener dies, his partner isn't going to reveal to save Driss since he could in all possibility be a symp. And if Driss does get found scum, they wouldnt reveal either, since he's likely gonna get lynched soon anyway, so it's kinda useless to reveal to confirm we're on the right track. Just a thought.

Edit - once again crossposted with lots

This post has been edited by Serc: 27 April 2009 - 02:22 PM

[Shadow]

Serc, on Apr 27 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

Cool, there's tons of time on the clock, a largish pool of reasonably suspicious behaviour and some good discussion. This game is actually going quite well I think, other than the Ballsup that was this morning. Fener, if you can find those quotes where Mockra was defending Emur then I think that is definitely a good place to start. Like Ano says, we need to decide who's doing what tonight. (Hypothetical) Healer should obviously go for either Fener or Ano, but since both of them have partners it's up to them who. Once we've decided who to lynch, then we just need to decide who to find and who to guard before the hammer.

Although I do have this suggestion. What Fener says is true, there is a good possibility he's going to die sometime soon. Rather investigate the players that we are very likely to lynch, maybe they should concentrate on people who havent really come up yet. We have the numbers at this point and we can afford to lose an inno or two if it protects the finder. I mean if Driss gets found as inno tonight and Fener dies, his partner isn't going to reveal to save Driss since he could in all possibility be a symp. And if Driss does get found scum, they wouldnt reveal either, since he's likely gonna get lynched soon anyway, so it's kinda useless to reveal to confirm we're on the right track. Just a thought.

Edit - once again crossposted with lots

This could be quite a good idea - we do still have the numbers to afford to lose a couple more innos without any real harm. Perhaps investigating one of the more quieter players could be good.

[Anomandaris]

Serc, on Apr 27 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

Cool, there's tons of time on the clock, a largish pool of reasonably suspicious behaviour and some good discussion. This game is actually going quite well I think, other than the Ballsup that was this morning. Fener, if you can find those quotes where Mockra was defending Emur then I think that is definitely a good place to start. Like Ano says, we need to decide who's doing what tonight. (Hypothetical) Healer should obviously go for either Fener or Ano, but since both of them have partners it's up to them who. Once we've decided who to lynch, then we just need to decide who to find and who to guard before the hammer.

Although I do have this suggestion. What Fener says is true, there is a good possibility he's going to die sometime soon. Rather investigate the players that we are very likely to lynch, maybe they should concentrate on people who havent really come up yet. We have the numbers at this point and we can afford to lose an inno or two if it protects the finder. I mean if Driss gets found as inno tonight and Fener dies, his partner isn't going to reveal to save Driss since he could in all possibility be a symp. And if Driss does get found scum, they wouldnt reveal either, since he's likely gonna get lynched soon anyway, so it's kinda useless to reveal to confirm we're on the right track. Just a thought.

Edit - once again crossposted with lots

agreed with the second part. i think theres a large pool of players coasting by and it will be interesting to see if they post more tonight as the weekend is over. i dont though think we should advertise who we are performing our actions on specifically in case the killers decided to withhold. a pool of players and we select at random for our actions seems wise.

I doubt that we have a healer, but until end game when a guard is important i reckon fener should be protected not me as my partner has coded my name into a post on my behest, and i coded them in earlier in the game as well. If people put forward our top suspects we can lynch guard and investigate our way to victory. even if we started with five evil i think we are on a good run.

as far as emu goes, that post i quoted on the last page is pretty mucht he only mentioning of other players that mockra did. He made two cases or referenced them (omtose and liosan) and voted liosan who was already heading to a lynch at the time and this was on day 1. Teh big difference in those two posts is that he specifically downplays the merits of cases on tellan, driss and emur but is voting for liosan and considering voting for omtose.

I am pretty confident given their reaction toward his suspicion of day 1 and his subsequent defending of them when they faced heat later, that at least one of the three is scum.

[Tennes]

Wow just WOW. Glad that Mockra was scum. I still think that Fener could have done a better job of attacking him. Fener it really looked like you were a symp to me. And as for me not believing your reveal right away. Well you were a suspected symp at l-2. Fake revealing as a finder would be the obvious move. Glad to see that your are a finder though.

Ano was it really necessary for you reveal like that. Fener got the find right on Mockra and if you guarded him on night 2 then obviously he had a partner. This whole thing about Fener possibly being a symp trying to take out his master to become a killer is ludicrous. When has something like that ever happened.

As for my low post count over the weekend. I always have way to much RL to do over the weekend to be able to play. That is just how it is.

[Meanas]

Telas, on Apr 27 2009, 03:11 PM, said:

Meanas, on Apr 27 2009, 08:46 AM, said:

Stop strawmannig and lying Serc. It makes you look bad.

Hah, it looks like Fener is caught lying about being a finder. Interesting.

Meanas, what are you on about? I have to say, I don't understand the game you're playing at all. "Testing" me, accusing Serc's comments as strawmanning (whose comments, frankly, don't make him 'look bad' at all), jumping on Fener and just generally insulting everyone? Is this some bizarre "I'll be so audacious they won't suspect me" strategy?

Truth be told, I take Serc's case on you as being the best at the moment, edging Omtose slightly.

Edit: cross post with meanas!

Telas, I wrote that post before it was clarified that Ano couldn't have blocked Fener.

Everyone, as for my play, I'm playing as RI, and my job is to flush out as much information as I can. If you need to lynch me because I reacted on Fener's aggressiveness, along with tons of other people, go ahead, but it's a waste and frankly pretty stupid. Serc has nothing on me, and you know it. Fener has been way more aggressive than me, I've only made cases on things I've found interesting, just like any other player. Sometimes you're wrong, and sometimes you're right, and sometimes CF's make you look bad. I've not exactly been hiding under a rock, I give you that. But is that really a lynch case? I of course can't agree that it is. If I'm a symp who am I symping? Seriously I would like an answer to that.

Edit: spelling

This post has been edited by Meanas: 27 April 2009 - 02:49 PM

[Fener]

Tennes, on Apr 27 2009, 03:48 PM, said:

Glad that Mockra was scum. I still think that Fener could have done a better job of attacking him.

You can teach me how with the brilliant case you're about to create on whoever you think is Mockra's partner.

[Emurlahn]

Hey just woke up, gonna read up, maybe take a shit and grab some food, then be back with some reactions.

[Emurlahn]

Oh, and btw Fener:

Shadow, on Apr 25 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

D'riss, on Apr 25 2009, 03:35 PM, said:

@Shadow - I don't understand, unless I can't count, according to your figures there were 13 votes. What am I missing?

You're right......Fener's vote wasn't counted by Path-Shaper. Seems when Emurlahn voted Liosan was already technically lynched.

Shadow made this post, and Mockra apparently thought Shadow was saying that Fener was the hammer. Hell, the way it's worded, I thought the same thing until I rechecked the lynch train, but I'm fairly sure your vote was before D'riss's.

Also, P-S later confirmed Shadow's observation.

So Mockra thought it was ironic that you were attacking me for hammering when he thought that, in light of P-S's mistake, you were the hammer. (Who, in reality, is D'riss. What do you know?)

[Meanas]

I'm voting for D'riss, because I think those actually were codes he and Mockra posted. Stupid codes maybe, but codes nonetheless. It's too big of a coincidence that Mockra came up scum.

vote D'riss

[Fener]

Emurlahn, on Apr 27 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

Oh, and btw Fener:

Shadow, on Apr 25 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

D'riss, on Apr 25 2009, 03:35 PM, said:

@Shadow - I don't understand, unless I can't count, according to your figures there were 13 votes. What am I missing?

You're right......Fener's vote wasn't counted by Path-Shaper. Seems when Emurlahn voted Liosan was already technically lynched.

Shadow made this post, and Mockra apparently thought Shadow was saying that Fener was the hammer. Hell, the way it's worded, I thought the same thing until I rechecked the lynch train, but I'm fairly sure your vote was before D'riss's.

Also, P-S later confirmed Shadow's observation.

So Mockra thought it was ironic that you were attacking me for hammering when he thought that, in light of P-S's mistake, you were the hammer. (Who, in reality, is D'riss. What do you know?)

The main point is that my case against you was based on your behaviour when we all thought the vote count was right. That it subsequently turned out to be wrong is irrelevant. And Mockra missed that aspect of it, choosing to defend you with an irrelevancy.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 19 hours and 52 minutes remaining

18 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Korlat, Meanas, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

10 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night

1 vote for D'riss: ( Meanas)
2 votes for Meanas: ( Serc, Anomandaris)
1 vote for Emurlahn: ( Fener)
1 vote for Omtose: ( Shadow)

Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

[Emurlahn]

Fener, on Apr 27 2009, 11:22 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Apr 27 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

Oh, and btw Fener:

Shadow, on Apr 25 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

D'riss, on Apr 25 2009, 03:35 PM, said:

@Shadow - I don't understand, unless I can't count, according to your figures there were 13 votes. What am I missing?

You're right......Fener's vote wasn't counted by Path-Shaper. Seems when Emurlahn voted Liosan was already technically lynched.

Shadow made this post, and Mockra apparently thought Shadow was saying that Fener was the hammer. Hell, the way it's worded, I thought the same thing until I rechecked the lynch train, but I'm fairly sure your vote was before D'riss's.

Also, P-S later confirmed Shadow's observation.

So Mockra thought it was ironic that you were attacking me for hammering when he thought that, in light of P-S's mistake, you were the hammer. (Who, in reality, is D'riss. What do you know?)

The main point is that my case against you was based on your behaviour when we all thought the vote count was right. That it subsequently turned out to be wrong is irrelevant. And Mockra missed that aspect of it, choosing to defend you with an irrelevancy.

Fener, the other half of your defense case revolved around two posts in which Mockra "reviewed" the active cases. You quoted both, with comments, in rapid succession despite the fact that they were on entirely different game days while implying that they were very close in proximity time-wise.

Mockra was doing nothing in the way of "defending" me, unless pointing out something you think is funny/ironic/hypocritical constitutes defenses. You've been bandying cases around like they're going out of style, and frankly, while you've been PI'ed if not CI'ed it still shouts SYMP! to me. But it's apparent that's not the case.

To recap:

I hammer Liosan, who as at L-1 with 1 hour or so left on the day timer
Fener votes me immediately after night resolves, claiming that I ruined Liosan's opportunity to reveal himself (really? Any reveal made at L-1 like that is bullshit without backup)
Shadow makes a post indicating that I was not the hammer, while implying (based on the wording, whether intentional or not I can't say) that Fener hammered
Mockra picks up on this, realizes that Fener had attacked him earlier, and thinks it's funny. He then makes a post about it with an amused "lol" appended at the end.
Fener decides that Mockra's "defense" right there and the fact that he didn't add me to his case review when I had 2-3 RP joke votes on me (when I said, "last call!") constitutes a scummy defense.

I mean, WTF? :Surprise:

[Tellan]

Good morning, all

caught up, seems some people place me along with Mockra suppporters, interesting.

during my re-read yesterday the most blatant riduculing of fener/possible defending of Mockra came from Meanas. So that's where i'd be tempted to vote.

also, a question--why do we assume that the killer knew who his symps were?

if people are thinking whetehr I should be lynched, guarded or found, well, I'm RI, for the good of the game it may be helpfult to lynch me so as not to waste any actions on me. and this isn't fatalism, just logic, given what I know about myself (i,e, i' RI, )

[Shadow]

@ Emurlahn

No, I didn't intend to make it sound as if Fener was actually the hammer. I was merely pointing out that that was the vote which Path-Shaper had missed.


And someone should now vote for Tellan so we have all the big suspects in there!


On a more serious note, I'd really like to hear from some of the lower posters. I think their opinion and decisions on voting will be what sways not just who gets lynched eventually, but where the night investigations go too. So, let's hear something!

[Shadow]

Tellan, on Apr 27 2009, 04:36 PM, said:

Good morning, all

caught up, seems some people place me along with Mockra suppporters, interesting.

during my re-read yesterday the most blatant riduculing of fener/possible defending of Mockra came from Meanas. So that's where i'd be tempted to vote.

also, a question--why do we assume that the killer knew who his symps were?

if people are thinking whetehr I should be lynched, guarded or found, well, I'm RI, for the good of the game it may be helpfult to lynch me so as not to waste any actions on me. and this isn't fatalism, just logic, given what I know about myself (i,e, i' RI, )

Um, dude, I don't think anyone's been assuming that. Where did you get that from?

[Tellan]

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 11:41 AM, said:

Tellan, on Apr 27 2009, 04:36 PM, said:

Good morning, all

caught up, seems some people place me along with Mockra suppporters, interesting.

during my re-read yesterday the most blatant riduculing of fener/possible defending of Mockra came from Meanas. So that's where i'd be tempted to vote.

also, a question--why do we assume that the killer knew who his symps were?

if people are thinking whetehr I should be lynched, guarded or found, well, I'm RI, for the good of the game it may be helpfult to lynch me so as not to waste any actions on me. and this isn't fatalism, just logic, given what I know about myself (i,e, i' RI, )

Um, dude, I don't think anyone's been assuming that. Where did you get that from?

Fener going for Emurlahn, because the killer (Mockra) defended him?

[Meanas]

Tellan, on Apr 27 2009, 05:36 PM, said:

during my re-read yesterday the most blatant riduculing of fener/possible defending of Mockra came from Meanas. So that's where i'd be tempted to vote.

You can't just say stuff like that without quoting the posts where you got that idea from. And I never defended Mockra - I even considered that he might be scum - remember the coding discussion from yesterday? I was talking mostly about Shadow's behavior, but I did say several times that the coding could be scum coding, that wasn't what my case on Shadow was about.

[Fener]

Tellan, on Apr 27 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 11:41 AM, said:

Tellan, on Apr 27 2009, 04:36 PM, said:

Good morning, all

caught up, seems some people place me along with Mockra suppporters, interesting.

during my re-read yesterday the most blatant riduculing of fener/possible defending of Mockra came from Meanas. So that's where i'd be tempted to vote.

also, a question--why do we assume that the killer knew who his symps were?

if people are thinking whetehr I should be lynched, guarded or found, well, I'm RI, for the good of the game it may be helpfult to lynch me so as not to waste any actions on me. and this isn't fatalism, just logic, given what I know about myself (i,e, i' RI, )

Um, dude, I don't think anyone's been assuming that. Where did you get that from?

Fener going for Emurlahn, because the killer (Mockra) defended him?

My claim is that they're partners.