[Fener]

Serc, on Apr 27 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

Lynching one, finding one and guarding another sounds like a good plan.

The other problem, beyond the guard not likely to work, is that i'm likely to die tonight. My partner will get the results, but won't be revealing them quickly.

Unless there is a healer, of course. I'm not hopeful, we've got paired finders and paired guards. If there are healers as well the killers must be really really powerful. 7 of them, maybe.

[Path-Shaper]

I forgot to put in the players names beside their alts in the scene . Mockra was Hoosierdaddy, Kess was Peanutbutta.

[Shadow]

Hmm, I'd completely forgotten about Tellan. Not sure, he's been playing it pretty safe, posting a lot and nothing too opinionated. I'm tempted to go for him just because of that.

Consensus at the moment seems to lie largely at Meanas. While I'd love him to be lynched, as he's been a pain in my ass for sure, he still strikes me as sympish rather than killer-ish. On the other hand, we do have to kill ALL the evil dudes, so in fact I have no qualms about changing my vote to Meanas.

[Fener]

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he still strikes me as sympish rather than killer-ish.

Shadow, that's why I prefer Emurlahn. He looks more like a killer to me than a symp. Mockra defended him which suggests that Mockra knew he was on his side.

[Omtose]

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 07:19 AM, said:

I'm willing to switch to Meanas if voting goes that way. However, I prefer Omtose as he's been quieter - Meanas's wild gesticulations and accusations strike me as sympish, whilst Omtose strikes me as pure, hard, cold, evil.

May have slightly overstated that a bit

Right as I said two seconds ago, I think perhaps you have overstated slightly here. I don't know how I have been quieter than Meanas, it's probably more along the lines that I have been more focused, while Meanas has been all over the place. I was pretty vocal during the whole Fener thing. Part of my actions and reactions so far have been due to complete confusion at Fener's style of game play. I was already suspicious of him before the lynch on Mockra and his refusal to say he was partnered added to Ano's statement just heightene that for me initially. Its been cleared up now and obviously I was wrong, so I no longer find him suspicious. His style of game play has cost us another reveal though.

If you are going to call me a cold hard and evil please at least have something specific to back it up with. Yes I know I am going to be on everyone's radar because I pushed the Fener case, like I said it was down to his style of play. I honestly do like the Meanas case it has merit and was well presented. I will go back and find my earlier statement on Meanas when I have the chance and can ellaborate as well should it be warranted. I expect to take som hear to day but, don't expect a massive defence from me unless you hae specifics to go on, as I plan on looking at other people. The dstraction of Fener left alot of people unscrutinized, there are some people who haven't been mentioned at all. For the moment the Meanas case has the most merit for me but if I see something else of interest I will mention it or if someone comes up with what I think is a stronger case I will support it.

[Omtose]

Fener, on Apr 27 2009, 07:30 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Apr 27 2009, 02:25 PM, said:

personnaly i dont get the omtose thing at all, m ostly because like me they just seemed very suspicious of pork belly over there.

It's about how vigorous he was against me after my day 3 case on Mockra, and after my reveal. He may have been suspicious of me but he was definitely defending Mockra with it.

I'm just going to state this one last time and then leave it alone. I was really vigoruos against you Fener, it was purely because of your style of play though. It had very little to do with Mockra, in fact I stated last night that you could have been accusing almost anyone and my reaction would have been the same. You were so over the top and such a distraction that my pushing so hard was entirely about your behaviour and not about Mockra. I was suspicious of you yes but no I was not defending mockra with it. As I said last night and I'll say it again you could have substituted any name for the case you were making, it was never about the person it was always about your confusing play and aggression and the refusal to tone it down even slightly.

[Shadow]

Omtose, on Apr 27 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 07:19 AM, said:

I'm willing to switch to Meanas if voting goes that way. However, I prefer Omtose as he's been quieter - Meanas's wild gesticulations and accusations strike me as sympish, whilst Omtose strikes me as pure, hard, cold, evil.

May have slightly overstated that a bit

Right as I said two seconds ago, I think perhaps you have overstated slightly here. I don't know how I have been quieter than Meanas, it's probably more along the lines that I have been more focused, while Meanas has been all over the place. I was pretty vocal during the whole Fener thing. Part of my actions and reactions so far have been due to complete confusion at Fener's style of game play. I was already suspicious of him before the lynch on Mockra and his refusal to say he was partnered added to Ano's statement just heightene that for me initially. Its been cleared up now and obviously I was wrong, so I no longer find him suspicious. His style of game play has cost us another reveal though.

If you are going to call me a cold hard and evil please at least have something specific to back it up with. Yes I know I am going to be on everyone's radar because I pushed the Fener case, like I said it was down to his style of play. I honestly do like the Meanas case it has merit and was well presented. I will go back and find my earlier statement on Meanas when I have the chance and can ellaborate as well should it be warranted. I expect to take som hear to day but, don't expect a massive defence from me unless you hae specifics to go on, as I plan on looking at other people. The dstraction of Fener left alot of people unscrutinized, there are some people who haven't been mentioned at all. For the moment the Meanas case has the most merit for me but if I see something else of interest I will mention it or if someone comes up with what I think is a stronger case I will support it.

First bolded part - I should have been more specific. I meant quieter since Mockra's lynch, i.e. I was intimating that you were trying to sneak under the radar by remaining quiet - traditionally a more killer-like than symp-like activity - but it is true that cannot be counted as any real evidence.

Second bolded part - What, you mean like how you backed up the accusation of me being Fener's symp, or vice versa, which I asked for repeatedly? (He says slightly bitterly). It was very similar to your "I've kinda been suspicious of Meanas all along", without backing it up.

[Anomandaris]

@fener - can you quote the mockra defending emur stuff, i missed all of that and i dont remember anything about emur beyond joke votes on day 1 when he had 3 for some reason.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 21 hours and 17 minutes remaining

18 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Korlat, Meanas, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

10 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night

1 vote for D'riss: ( Anomandaris)
1 vote for Meanas: ( Serc)
1 vote for Omtose: ( Shadow)

Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Korlat, Meanas, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

[Omtose]

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 08:00 AM, said:

Omtose, on Apr 27 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 07:19 AM, said:

I'm willing to switch to Meanas if voting goes that way. However, I prefer Omtose as he's been quieter - Meanas's wild gesticulations and accusations strike me as sympish, whilst Omtose strikes me as pure, hard, cold, evil.

May have slightly overstated that a bit

Right as I said two seconds ago, I think perhaps you have overstated slightly here. I don't know how I have been quieter than Meanas, it's probably more along the lines that I have been more focused, while Meanas has been all over the place. I was pretty vocal during the whole Fener thing. Part of my actions and reactions so far have been due to complete confusion at Fener's style of game play. I was already suspicious of him before the lynch on Mockra and his refusal to say he was partnered added to Ano's statement just heightene that for me initially. Its been cleared up now and obviously I was wrong, so I no longer find him suspicious. His style of game play has cost us another reveal though.

If you are going to call me a cold hard and evil please at least have something specific to back it up with. Yes I know I am going to be on everyone's radar because I pushed the Fener case, like I said it was down to his style of play. I honestly do like the Meanas case it has merit and was well presented. I will go back and find my earlier statement on Meanas when I have the chance and can ellaborate as well should it be warranted. I expect to take som hear to day but, don't expect a massive defence from me unless you hae specifics to go on, as I plan on looking at other people. The dstraction of Fener left alot of people unscrutinized, there are some people who haven't been mentioned at all. For the moment the Meanas case has the most merit for me but if I see something else of interest I will mention it or if someone comes up with what I think is a stronger case I will support it.

First bolded part - I should have been more specific. I meant quieter since Mockra's lynch, i.e. I was intimating that you were trying to sneak under the radar by remaining quiet - traditionally a more killer-like than symp-like activity - but it is true that cannot be counted as any real evidence.

Second bolded part - What, you mean like how you backed up the accusation of me being Fener's symp, or vice versa, which I asked for repeatedly? (He says slightly bitterly). It was very similar to your "I've kinda been suspicious of Meanas all along", without backing it up.

I said that I was going to ellaborate on Meanas but was headed out the door to work, give me a bit and I will do so. Thanks for clarification of the quiet bit. I have been quieter since the lynch but that's likely due to the fact that I was sleeping! If you go back and take a look you will see I mentioned several time I wanted to be sure of what we were doing before I casted my vote on Mockra as I was going to bed and then would be heading to work in the morning. So it's really not that strange.

[Fener]

Anomandaris, on Apr 27 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

@fener - can you quote the mockra defending emur stuff, i missed all of that and i dont remember anything about emur beyond joke votes on day 1 when he had 3 for some reason.

It's nothing strong, but Emur is the only player I can see that Mockra really defended:

Mockra, on Apr 25 2009, 06:17 PM, said:

Emurlahn: Fener's vote for Emurlahn's hammer on Liohsan that turned out to have actually been Fener's vote on Liohsan as the hammer? Lol. I think that vote will be reconsidered.

It's worth noting that Mockra was completely wrong, I wasn't even close to hammering Liosan.

[Anomandaris]

screw it, i think we shoudl start putting pressure on.

remove vote

vote meanas

for voting fener when his case was made against now known scum.

[Fener]

Vote Emurlahn

That gives us 4 different lynches from the 4 people I think are least likely to be Mockra's partners of symps (including myself). Anomandaris (who's reveal I buy), Serc and Shadow.

So I think it will be interesting to see which lynches the others choose.

OK, down to three now. The principle still holds.

This post has been edited by Fener: 27 April 2009 - 02:09 PM

[Anomandaris]

Mockra, on Apr 25 2009, 06:17 PM, said:

Looks like it. Current cases are on D'riss (for simping me, I think), Tellan, & Emurlahn?

D'riss: Simping me due to his posts stating his love. This was during RP and I bought someone a drink, and he begged for one, so I "bought" a round for the bar.

Tellan: For sitting the fence, I think?

Emurlahn: Fener's vote for Emurlahn's hammer on Liohsan that turned out to have actually been Fener's vote on Liohsan as the hammer? Lol. I think that vote will be reconsidered.

I just woke up, so if anybody has anything else, let me know.

Also, why Korvelain?

i had totally fogotten about this post. He mentions 3 of the 4 suspects we have since his death.

[Shadow]

One reason why I might see Tellan as less likely to be scum than the others mentioned is because of his fatalism on day 2, when he didn't seem to mind if he was lynched whilst away or not? But was this just RL intruding a bit too much into the game, or that he felt he was actually safer from a lynch if he said something like this?

[Telas]

Omtose, on Apr 26 2009, 10:02 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Apr 26 2009, 08:01 PM, said:

Ruse, on Apr 27 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

Isn't it kind of pretentious to lynch one guy cause the other guy says so and if we are wrong then "oppsie" we'll just lynch the other guy. I made a case on you. Are you comfortable with me saying guys I know it's Kessobahn and if I'm wrong well you can just lynch me tomorrow? It's a good way to narrow things down, but it really sucks for you doesn't it?

You're right. It's extremely pretentious. I'd be miffed as all hell if I was innocent and you were saying "Vote Kesso and if he's inno vote me next' but if you were absolutely convinced i was guilty i would understand your call.

fener has revealed finder and he did so right after your 'incoming finder reveal' because let's face it, that's a common tactic to use when almost voted out...

but fener has been far too aggressive on mockra today to consider this as some kind of last-second attempt to not die.

if you lynch fener today, you will not learn anything about him because i am 100% convinced he is not going to turn up guilty

Sorry mis typed I am adding my response in now...

With Fener's reveal I have to agree with you, he's got very little to gain if he's lying because he will be lynched immediately when day starts up. So he's really only buying himself one day or I guess you could look at it as one last kill. With this new info it does seem we have more to gain by lynching Mockra we will at least have more certifiable info in the end. At this point I am going to remove my vote I will be around for another two or three hours and can put the vote back or vote Mockra depending on what we decide.

remove vote

Edit: to add Fener if you really are telling the truth your style of game play leaves a bit to be desired! You've made a bit of a mess here!

What bothered me was your logic here was spot on. But then for a good chunk of time you waffled away from dropping a vote, saying "but I want to discuss". Nothing wrong with discussion, but it seems weird you couldn't take your own advice until the lynch became inevitable.

[Anomandaris]

Telas, on Apr 27 2009, 03:10 PM, said:

Omtose, on Apr 26 2009, 10:02 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Apr 26 2009, 08:01 PM, said:

Ruse, on Apr 27 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

Isn't it kind of pretentious to lynch one guy cause the other guy says so and if we are wrong then "oppsie" we'll just lynch the other guy. I made a case on you. Are you comfortable with me saying guys I know it's Kessobahn and if I'm wrong well you can just lynch me tomorrow? It's a good way to narrow things down, but it really sucks for you doesn't it?

You're right. It's extremely pretentious. I'd be miffed as all hell if I was innocent and you were saying "Vote Kesso and if he's inno vote me next' but if you were absolutely convinced i was guilty i would understand your call.

fener has revealed finder and he did so right after your 'incoming finder reveal' because let's face it, that's a common tactic to use when almost voted out...

but fener has been far too aggressive on mockra today to consider this as some kind of last-second attempt to not die.

if you lynch fener today, you will not learn anything about him because i am 100% convinced he is not going to turn up guilty

Sorry mis typed I am adding my response in now...

With Fener's reveal I have to agree with you, he's got very little to gain if he's lying because he will be lynched immediately when day starts up. So he's really only buying himself one day or I guess you could look at it as one last kill. With this new info it does seem we have more to gain by lynching Mockra we will at least have more certifiable info in the end. At this point I am going to remove my vote I will be around for another two or three hours and can put the vote back or vote Mockra depending on what we decide.

remove vote

Edit: to add Fener if you really are telling the truth your style of game play leaves a bit to be desired! You've made a bit of a mess here!

What bothered me was your logic here was spot on. But then for a good chunk of time you waffled away from dropping a vote, saying "but I want to discuss". Nothing wrong with discussion, but it seems weird you couldn't take your own advice until the lynch became inevitable.

err looking back i see that omtose was perhaps second or third to vote for mockra, also you said earlier taht they didnt vote mockra when they are first on the list of voters that ps listed. Not suspicious of you, but you seem to be a little befuddled regarding this issue.

[Anomandaris]

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

One reason why I might see Tellan as less likely to be scum than the others mentioned is because of his fatalism on day 2, when he didn't seem to mind if he was lynched whilst away or not? But was this just RL intruding a bit too much into the game, or that he felt he was actually safer from a lynch if he said something like this?

That is pretty much as WIFOM as a post can get. Worth noting though that no one hammered him when he hit l-1. If there are four or possibly five evils in the game, they cant all have been on that train, so you would have expected one to jump at lynching an inno.

edit - spelling - didnt mean your post is wifom, mean tellans fatalism post.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 27 April 2009 - 02:16 PM

[Shadow]

Ampelas, Barghast, Galain, Gamelon, Korlat, Rashan and Tennes. I'd like to hear more from all these people. Some have a distinct tendency to just pop in and out without contributing anything substantial.

[Shadow]

Anomandaris, on Apr 27 2009, 03:14 PM, said:

Shadow, on Apr 27 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

One reason why I might see Tellan as less likely to be scum than the others mentioned is because of his fatalism on day 2, when he didn't seem to mind if he was lynched whilst away or not? But was this just RL intruding a bit too much into the game, or that he felt he was actually safer from a lynch if he said something like this?

That is pretty much as WIFOM as a post can get. Worth noting though that no one hammered himw hen he hit l-1. If there are four or possibly five evils in the game, they can all have been on that train, so you would have expected one to jump at lynching an inno.

I think Tellan only reached L-2, so perhaps there weren't enough evils left. But you're right, it is a lot of WIFOM. Still something to consider though.