[Ampelas]

Okay, second page nothing really scummy, he seems to be almost mediating the discussion so far. Nothing really of his own, just acting like the mediator in a debate. He does vote for Lio at one point, and post a joke in C, but nothing particularly aggravating. Actually, reading that cote, I notice how damn similar C is to Java. And JAVA IRRITATES ME! Mostly because each time I took a ComSci course at school and it dealt with Java, I almost failed.

He relies on his girlfriend to bring him his tobacco. Clearly a chauvinist, and thus a killer.

So yes, still nothing scummy, on to the third page.

[Ampelas]

Hmmm, third page of Serc is all discussion of numbers of scum, postulating different scum factions, etc. Nothing I could really finger as distinctly scummy. Argh. Maybe I'm not very good at this, or maybe Serc's just really good, or ,maybe he's inno. Feh, still one more page to go, I'll see if anything's there...

[Omtose]

I notice Shadow has been very helpful at summarizing things kind re-iterrating cases and gently pointing fingers at various people. Has anyone looked at him yet though? There may be nothing to this, but I thought we shold start taking a look at some of the less obvious people and I don't think he has been scrutinized very closely up to this point if at all. It's just a thought.

I tend to believe Ano's revea,l his behaviour has been consistent thus far and I think he was initially forced to reveal because of Fener's confusing behaviour. Ano asked him several times for a simple yes or no as to whether he was paired, had Fener just answered him it wouldn't have happened. I don't really get a scummy feeling at all from Ano, he's been good about telling us who he blocked each night as well. I just don't think there's much there, although if a case is presented I will certainly look at it, but for the moment I'm looking elsewhere.

[Anomandaris]

you know i came back and had a pm waiting for me and it was actually from my partner, who informed me i survived and this is what i posted.

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where is everyone??

as things stand my suspects are driss tellan and barghast, but gem could have been covering for shadow or serc. i dislike how shadow is tryign to run the game and seems determined to push attention away from driss.

I had wondered about shadow several times as well. He kind of waits for someone to make a case parrots what has been said and the agrees but makes it look as if he came up with the idea. It started initially with him constantly agreeing with Fener, which is why I thought they were partners.

Barghast has been on my radar as well. he doesn't want to see any guilt where D'riss is concerned and completely dismissed the stuff I had pointed out as well as points that were raised by you. He has been reluctant to hammer or vote a few times as well, saying he's rather wait.

Are we proceding with the same plan today? I've been thinking you may go during night once we lynch D'riss or whoever's next as they know you are a guard now. Didi you want to make some suggestions as to who I should be looking at blocking next just in case? If you do go at what point should I reveal myself? Clearly not right away I know.

i am starting to think we should block barghast tonight, but yeah i am pretty much a certain for the chop tonight, though there may be a code out there linking feners partner, i missed it if it was shown, but amp seems confident of it.

too many pedestrians in the game are really ruining our chances. keep an eye out for driss emur tellana nd barghast. the others are so silent, lsoing to them is just palin fucking ridiculous and i wouldnt even count them as players so if i go to heaven and they are guilty i will slag the shit out of them for inactivity laugh.gif

Wow not only did you make it through the night but barghast is gone as well. So that takes care of that, I need to re-evaluate and see where to go next. Shadow is really starting to look suspicious to me, he keeps kind of sumarizing things and throwing in small suggestions to cast guilt on others. He agrees with cases and votes based on them but then points the finger (not to aggressively) at the person who made the case. He's adding nothing of value or saying anything that hasnt been said. Seems scummy to me.

havent read thread yet, but killer will bring a case against me today i think.

Shadow has started to bring a case against you. I'm just trying to work a way of presenting a case on him out. I've hinted and am hoping someone will pick it up, but I think the two of us may just have to push it as much as we can to get it going.

and lo and behold shadow starts the day saying why is ano not dead.

[Shadow]

Omtose, on Apr 28 2009, 06:36 PM, said:

I notice Shadow has been very helpful at summarizing things kind re-iterrating cases and gently pointing fingers at various people. Has anyone looked at him yet though? There may be nothing to this, but I thought we shold start taking a look at some of the less obvious people and I don't think he has been scrutinized very closely up to this point if at all. It's just a thought.

I tend to believe Ano's revea,l his behaviour has been consistent thus far and I think he was initially forced to reveal because of Fener's confusing behaviour. Ano asked him several times for a simple yes or no as to whether he was paired, had Fener just answered him it wouldn't have happened. I don't really get a scummy feeling at all from Ano, he's been good about telling us who he blocked each night as well. I just don't think there's much there, although if a case is presented I will certainly look at it, but for the moment I'm looking elsewhere.

Yes, I thought this might come up soon. It's true, I have been looking everywhere and pointing a lot of fingers. That's really just my style of play, I tend to put all my thoughts out there. It's also partly to do with the fact that I don't really know in which direction to head next. We've lost half the people we started with now so it's getting serious.

Anyhoo, I took a look at Ano's posts, and I have to agree with Omtose, there's nothing particularly scummy out there and his reveal does come off as genuine. He's also been suspicious of Tellan since day 1, perhaps that's something to pursue then?

[Anomandaris]

that shut yopu all up

[Shadow]

@ Ano

Ah, wowsers, seems I've been coming off even more dodgy than I thought I was.

I admit to pushing and prodding everywhere. And that's because A) I want everyone to get involved, too many quiet people, and B ) I have no real idea where to concentrate my efforts on.

As for parrotting what everyone says, I don't agree. If that was the case, then I would have been aboard the 'Fener's too aggressive' train too, no? For better or worse, I did start the D'riss suspicions (not saying that was a good thing, mind). I have more recently been summarising the content of people's posting, yes, but that is in an effort to reveal some pattern and put some order into the game.

Changed to B )

This post has been edited by Shadow: 28 April 2009 - 05:52 PM

[Shadow]

And now I have to go take an Italian test. Won't be back for 2 or 3 hours.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 22 hours and 29 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night


Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 22 hours and 34 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night


Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

[Ampelas]

Wow Ano, interesting tactic. Shadow has been irking me to, I'll get to that in a minute. First, finishing up Serc,

The final page of his posts shows him acting more or less consistently, when Meanas tried to blow him up like Amp(morg45) from last game did to Obdi he drew some flak, but I think she may have been playing the WIFOM game to stick him with the rap from last game. She's a lot smarter than M45 and I don't think she'd screw her team if she could help it. Mean while, I think when Serc said:

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Feel free to poke as many sticks as you like, I have nothing to hide.

He was right. He has nothing to hide. Someone else more deft than I at finding slips may want to recheck that, but I think I'll rest easy about Serc for a while.

Now, I mentioned earlier that Fener and someone else had done something on thread that made me think paired innos, and the finder reveal worked out nicely. Now I've seen it from Shadow too, and I still don't think I have seen this particular way of doing this rather typical action before. Now, in order to PI Shadow, I could see an elaborate scheme of symps and the killer sacrificing themselves with a particularly effective fake reveal. Here we go

Fener revealed finder and fingered the first killer, Mockra. He was making cases against Mockra from the first, despite having no find to work with and pushed it too vehemently to be unsure of himself. Now, Mockra is CF'd scum, so we believe Fener's reveal. Then we find a symp, Meanas. Now Shadow has been fairly helpful in aggregating information. He's worked up a lot of trust from most of us, and I think some even have him as CI. However, looking back, Fener's reveal is mostly only confirmed by the sacrifice of one killer and his own death the ?following? night. At one point in quoting somebody, Fener did this to shorten it

*snip*

Now, I'd never seen it before, but it seemed reasonable so I ignored it. Shortly thereafter, Emurlahn went

*snip*

when he shortened a post. Again, I thought it seemed reasonable that Emu was Fener's partner in find. Hence my reluctance to reveal this. However, just a little while ago, Shadow went

*snip*

In shortening a quote, and to find something innocent enough like this which I've never seen used before in a game of Mafia cropping up in 3 people's writing in one game, just seems like too much of a coincidence for me. I sort of expect this to be written off, but I hope some of you will pay attention. I'm aware how similar it sounds to the punctuation cases used to hunt FMs last game, but with a shifting killer, I think this is one of the few things we have to work with. What makes it work, if its accurate, is that after a while all the symps know each other, because each symp must know who the killer is. Otherwise, they won't be much of a symp. Thus, assuming there are 4-6 scum, with one killer at a time, we had

Mockra Dead only scum CF.

Shadow Almost CI'd potentially current killer
Meanas Dead, more or less self confirmed symp.
Fener Dead, presumed finder.
Driss Dead, assumed symp
Emurlahn Drew flak at the beginning, but is now coasting at the bottom of people's wanted lists.
and one remaining possible.

So far, I think Kesso, who may or may not have a hidden partner, was the real finder, and his find on Fener of innocent was just a symp turning up as he would normally turn up.

[Tennes]

Ok I am back for a couple of minutes.

I found Anomandaris reveal much more believable then Fener's when they happened. The one thing that I have been curious about is why he hasn't been killed. The only thing that I can come up with is that the scum has been trying to frame him or WIFOM.

[Omtose]

Shadow, on Apr 28 2009, 11:52 AM, said:

@ Ano

Ah, wowsers, seems I've been coming off even more dodgy than I thought I was.

I admit to pushing and prodding everywhere. And that's because A) I want everyone to get involved, too many quiet people, and B ) I have no real idea where to concentrate my efforts on.

As for parrotting what everyone says, I don't agree. If that was the case, then I would have been aboard the 'Fener's too aggressive' train too, no? For better or worse, I did start the D'riss suspicions (not saying that was a good thing, mind). I have more recently been summarising the content of people's posting, yes, but that is in an effort to reveal some pattern and put some order into the game.

Changed to B )

I should have made the parroting thing more clear you did make the inital case on D'riss, I won't argue that, since then though you have had very little original information to add. You have basically just summarizing everyone's thoughts and subtely pointing fingers at various people. If someone makes a case you readily agree to it, and vote based upon it but then point the finger at the person for making a case. You are a bit too quick to agree to theories and have few of your own. Plus summarizing things makes you look helpful and active, but allows you to escape suspicion. I think the fact that you came up with that D'riss case has allowed you to pretty much coast by so far, and stopped us from taking a closer look at you.

[Ampelas]

Zounds, epic crosspost. Forgot to add

vote Shadow

[Anomandaris]

Ampelas, on Apr 28 2009, 07:05 PM, said:

Wow Ano, interesting tactic. Shadow has been irking me to, I'll get to that in a minute. First, finishing up Serc,

The final page of his posts shows him acting more or less consistently, when Meanas tried to blow him up like Amp(morg45) from last game did to Obdi he drew some flak, but I think she may have been playing the WIFOM game to stick him with the rap from last game. She's a lot smarter than M45 and I don't think she'd screw her team if she could help it. Mean while, I think when Serc said:

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Feel free to poke as many sticks as you like, I have nothing to hide.

He was right. He has nothing to hide. Someone else more deft than I at finding slips may want to recheck that, but I think I'll rest easy about Serc for a while.

Now, I mentioned earlier that Fener and someone else had done something on thread that made me think paired innos, and the finder reveal worked out nicely. Now I've seen it from Shadow too, and I still don't think I have seen this particular way of doing this rather typical action before. Now, in order to PI Shadow, I could see an elaborate scheme of symps and the killer sacrificing themselves with a particularly effective fake reveal. Here we go

Fener revealed finder and fingered the first killer, Mockra. He was making cases against Mockra from the first, despite having no find to work with and pushed it too vehemently to be unsure of himself. Now, Mockra is CF'd scum, so we believe Fener's reveal. Then we find a symp, Meanas. Now Shadow has been fairly helpful in aggregating information. He's worked up a lot of trust from most of us, and I think some even have him as CI. However, looking back, Fener's reveal is mostly only confirmed by the sacrifice of one killer and his own death the ?following? night. At one point in quoting somebody, Fener did this to shorten it

*snip*

Now, I'd never seen it before, but it seemed reasonable so I ignored it. Shortly thereafter, Emurlahn went

*snip*

when he shortened a post. Again, I thought it seemed reasonable that Emu was Fener's partner in find. Hence my reluctance to reveal this. However, just a little while ago, Shadow went

*snip*

In shortening a quote, and to find something innocent enough like this which I've never seen used before in a game of Mafia cropping up in 3 people's writing in one game, just seems like too much of a coincidence for me. I sort of expect this to be written off, but I hope some of you will pay attention. I'm aware how similar it sounds to the punctuation cases used to hunt FMs last game, but with a shifting killer, I think this is one of the few things we have to work with. What makes it work, if its accurate, is that after a while all the symps know each other, because each symp must know who the killer is. Otherwise, they won't be much of a symp. Thus, assuming there are 4-6 scum, with one killer at a time, we had

Mockra Dead only scum CF.

Shadow Almost CI'd potentially current killer
Meanas Dead, more or less self confirmed symp.
Fener Dead, presumed finder.
Driss Dead, assumed symp
Emurlahn Drew flak at the beginning, but is now coasting at the bottom of people's wanted lists.
and one remaining possible.

So far, I think Kesso, who may or may not have a hidden partner, was the real finder, and his find on Fener of innocent was just a symp turning up as he would normally turn up.

interesting. I did guard shadow and driss though, so as solo killers that wouldnt work out. there are either paired killers left, or shadow cant be a solo killer. I think we need to hear from the quiet players and see if anyone has any insight. I also am interested to see if korlat is going to request a modkill after claiming he was going to. Tellan as well, that last post of his was very strange.

[Omtose]

I completely agree with that theory Amp of Shadow trying to play himself off as Fenre's partner. Initially I had Shadow pegged as Fenre's partner, especially as he was so eager to agree with everything Fener said after revealing his role. So I automatically wrote him off as inno, and didn't look too closely at him after that. It would be an excellent way for scum to hide though and these broad suggestions just make him seem all the more helpful, without actually implicating him.

I'm sure we're on to something here

vote shadow

Edit for clarity

This post has been edited by Omtose: 28 April 2009 - 06:28 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 22 hours and 2 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

2 votes for Shadow: ( Omtose, Ampelas)

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Korlat, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

[Tennes]

The biggest thing that has stood out for me is the fact that other then Fener it has mostly been the quieter players who have died. That to me suggests a killer or killers who are among the higher posters and are targeting people who irritate them the low posters. I also find it strange that Emu was under so much suspicion earlier and now has totally faded into the back ground. When I get time next I am going to do a reread of his posts and see if anything pops out.

[Anomandaris]

in for a penny, in for a pound.

vote shadow

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 21 hours and 55 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Korlat, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

3 votes for Shadow: ( Omtose, Anomandaris, Ampelas)

Players not voted: Emurlahn, Gamelon, Korlat, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Telas, Tellan, Tennes