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Posted Today, 11:14 AM

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 13 July 2026 - 09:33 PM, said:

Link for that? The sources I've found discussing the Critical Drinker podcast don't include that claim about the original series, but several do cite a 2018 Futurism interview in which he said:


https://gizmodo.com/...ount-2000739724

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“You’re a little more severe than I am—I’ll give you my opinion, and I’m just a consumer. I like Strange New Worlds. I think it’s pretty good. I didn’t hate Enterprise. I thought it was kind of weird. Lower Decks, I thought, was entertaining and fun. All the others, they can go,”
“And here’s another thing: I pitched a Star Trek show to Paramount, and I was in Zoom with the showrunners with all the shows and spent a lot of time talking to [executive producer Alex Kurtzman],” the writer continued. “I don’t like a lot of the new Trek. He, as a person, is a really nice guy. But at the same time, those shows are shit. He is a nice guy. But they didn’t accept my pitch, so, you know, fuck ’em.”
“I dislike social commentary. Like… I really hate it. When I’m reading a book, I just want to be entertained, not preached at by the author. Plus, it ruins the wonder of the story if I know the author has a political or social axe to grind. I no longer speculate about all possible outcomes of the story because I know for a fact that the universe of that book will conspire to ensure that the author’s political agenda is validated. I hate that,”
“I put no politics or social commentary into my stories at all. Anyone who thinks they see something like that is reading it in on their own. I have no point to make, and I’m not trying to affect the reader’s opinion on anything. My sole job is to entertain, and I stick to that.”
“For instance, as a lifelong Star Trek fan, it’s always bothered me that there is a presumed ‘responsibility’ within Star Trek shows to talk about social issues,” the writer added. “I just want to watch Romulans and the Federation shoot at each other.”


I obviously paraphrased, but the glut of the notion that he's a GenXer who didn't know what ne was watching and liked the splodey splodey fighty fighty...is right there.
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Posted Today, 12:34 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 14 July 2026 - 11:14 AM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 13 July 2026 - 09:33 PM, said:

Link for that? The sources I've found discussing the Critical Drinker podcast don't include that claim about the original series, but several do cite a 2018 Futurism interview in which he said:


https://gizmodo.com/...ount-2000739724

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"You're a little more severe than I am—I'll give you my opinion, and I'm just a consumer. I like Strange New Worlds. I think it's pretty good. I didn't hate Enterprise. I thought it was kind of weird. Lower Decks, I thought, was entertaining and fun. All the others, they can go,"
"And here's another thing: I pitched a Star Trek show to Paramount, and I was in Zoom with the showrunners with all the shows and spent a lot of time talking to [executive producer Alex Kurtzman]," the writer continued. "I don't like a lot of the new Trek. He, as a person, is a really nice guy. But at the same time, those shows are shit. He is a nice guy. But they didn't accept my pitch, so, you know, fuck 'em."
"I dislike social commentary. Like… I really hate it. When I'm reading a book, I just want to be entertained, not preached at by the author. Plus, it ruins the wonder of the story if I know the author has a political or social axe to grind. I no longer speculate about all possible outcomes of the story because I know for a fact that the universe of that book will conspire to ensure that the author's political agenda is validated. I hate that,"
"I put no politics or social commentary into my stories at all. Anyone who thinks they see something like that is reading it in on their own. I have no point to make, and I'm not trying to affect the reader's opinion on anything. My sole job is to entertain, and I stick to that."
"For instance, as a lifelong Star Trek fan, it's always bothered me that there is a presumed 'responsibility' within Star Trek shows to talk about social issues," the writer added. "I just want to watch Romulans and the Federation shoot at each other."


I obviously paraphrased, but the glut of the notion that he's a GenXer who didn't know what ne was watching and liked the splodey splodey fighty fighty...is right there.


The only quote in there that's referring specifically to the original Star Trek series is the last one, which as the Gizmodo article states is from a 2018 Futurism interview, not the Critical Drinker podcast. And that quote actually implies that he did know what he was watching: "as a lifelong Star Trek fan, it's always bothered me that there is a presumed 'responsibility' within Star Trek shows to talk about social issues". The claim that he's a "lifelong" fan (granted, "lifelong" is probably hyperbole---was he watching it as a baby?) and that it has "always" bothered him implies it bothered him when he was a child too.

And I made a bit of an error in only saying that the original series alluded to social issues; I'd forgotten that it also included one of the first interracial kisses on US television, which was very controversial at the time. I had also remembered it as the first interracial kiss on US television, but it turns out that's not actually true:

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despite being the most famous early example of interracial kissing on television, it wasn't the first. In fact, technically it wasn't even the first time for Shatner.

In 1958, Shatner shared a kiss with Asian American actress France Nuyen while performing a scene from the play "The World of Suzie Wong" on "The Ed Sullivan Show." Then in 1967, Shatner kissed BarBara Luna, who is half Filipino, on an earlier episode of "Star Trek." There had also been several interracial kisses on television at the time that didn't involve Shatner, including Lucille Ball smooching Desi Arnaz on "I Love Lucy" and Lloyd Bridges and Japanese actress Nobu McCarthy sharing a kiss on an episode of "Sea Hunt."

Those examples, however, didn't have the cultural impact of Shatner and Nichols, which was considered far more daring with America still dealing with upheaval surrounding the Civil Rights Movement and the fallout of Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination just eight months prior. Shatner and Nichols are still generally considered the first Black and white actors to kiss on screen in a scripted show.

https://www.tvline.c...rek-kirk-uhura/

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