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#1601 User is offline   Path-Shaper 

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 04:01 PM

It is Night 7. 24 Hours 59 Minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Hood's path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Tennes

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to day

1 vote(s) for Meanas: Rashan

3 vote(s) for Mockra: Emurlahn, Hood's path, Meanas


Players not voted: Mockra, Omtose, Serc, Tennes
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Posted 22 April 2009 - 04:12 PM

Well with only 2 votes need for a lynch and still 2 teams of scum left I think that I am going to hold off voting for right now. I am going to go back and look things over before I make a decision.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 04:22 PM

Awesome, Serc, let me know if you have something to discuss.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 04:56 PM

I guess not. :Surprise:

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 05:00 PM

 Hood's Path, on Apr 22 2009, 05:28 AM, said:

Ok, Tennes made a couple of posts that makes him seem clean to me, despite earning votes from others previously.

Mokra, on the other hand, has some suspicious posts.

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Because maybe the mods wanted to mess with you, like ment told us, not all of the roles will be used, so making you possession BP, having possession as part of the night actions and then not adding it into the game is something I can see ment doing just to get us chasing our tales.

Regardless this line of thought is getting us nowhere as I have assumed since day 1 that we have at least 1 FM running around. I would even go so far as to throw a possible second one, why? Because the V:tM System had many clans with disciplines that would someone to impersonate someone else.


This is suspicious for 2 reasons.
1: Bait and switch. Mods may be lying to you. But I've believed in not 1, but TWO FM's since the beginning.
2:

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Because the V:tM System had many clans with disciplines that would someone to impersonate someone else

This is not actually true. You can keep your clan secret, but posing as ANOTHER clan is not easy or common.

Along the lines of #2:

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First off Vampire related stuff, the Malkavian clan discipline allows them to make others insane.

This isn't true, at least not as stated. If a Malkavian TEACHES another vampire their discipline, that vampire may become insane because the discipline is messed up. BUt most vampires know this, dont want to learn the discipline, and dont trust Malkavians. Malkavians can't just turn others insane.


And finally:

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Now I am going to be gone for the rest of today, as it is a public holiday and I unfortunately have things that have to be done :(


I will now conveniently disappear.

Whew! Ok, that's Mokra and Tennes. I'll cut here to keep the post shorter and put my Meanas assessment in another post.


Your first quote: firstly I was expressing an opinion, about of what I think about Ment.
As for the second point, lets see now. Obfuscate can be used to impersonate people, yes its an illusion, but it can still be used to fool people and quite a few clans have access to it. Tzimisce can shape flesh and bone both on themselves and on other victims. At a stretch Ravnos could use their own discipline to create the illusion of being someone else.
Though I am not sure how you read clan in there. I was talking about impersonating someone.

Malkavians have the discipline Dementation.
Dementation: Lvl 5 Total Insanity, you target an enemy and make them suffer 5 derangements. If that is not driving someone else insane, I don't know what is.

So you are saying that I am lying about RL, well not much I can do to defend against that argument.

 Hood's Path, on Apr 22 2009, 05:58 AM, said:

Holy pants, this just occurred to me.

Rashan went crazy. Fener went crazy. If Malkavians can't turn others crazy, that means that those two themselves are probably Malkavians. But Fener is dead, and he was the last of the Cam. Rashan is still around.

That means that either the same clans can be found across factions (Malkavian-Cam and whatever faction Rashan belongs to.) OR, the possession that is taking place is definately being done by a Malkavian.

We may be looking for a final member of the Sabbat who is Malkavian. In fact, that makes more sense than anything else.

If I have to hazard an analysis, Rashan is looking suspicious as a result of this. Crazy Fener is the last of the Cam. Crazy Rashan is the crazy Sabbat Malkavian? Anyone else see where I'm going with this?

This just occured to you? Or did you pilfer it from one of my posts. I commented similarly to this:

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First off Vampire related stuff, the Malkavian clan discipline allows them to make others insane. Which might explain what rash is going through. Also to think that we have two malkavians out in the open and no one thinks they might be Cami, stirkes me as odd, but anyway.


And personally HP, I have to wonder if maybe you are just stretching to get players lynched now.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 05:33 PM

In my opinion it's not about stretching to get players lynched, but trying to find inconsistencies. Hood's Path has a valid point about the Malkavians not being able to force vampires to become insane. I can agree though that the comment about you disappearing is a bit over the top - but otherwise he's not stretching IMHO.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 06:19 PM

 Meanas, on Apr 22 2009, 07:33 PM, said:

In my opinion it's not about stretching to get players lynched, but trying to find inconsistencies. Hood's Path has a valid point about the Malkavians not being able to force vampires to become insane. I can agree though that the comment about you disappearing is a bit over the top - but otherwise he's not stretching IMHO.


See, I have played 'Vampire:Bloodlines' (PC game) and I have played the pen and paper World of Darkness Vampire the Masquerade d10-based roleplaying game. I know what I am talking about and Malkavians can (or least in the edition I played they could) drive others insane.
If you want, I will quote from the book.

As for looking for a lynch, see how he jumps from Fener being the Cami Malkavian to Rashan being the Sabbat Malkavian, then decides that I must be the Sabbat Malkavian.

Now if you guys are going to lynch me because I have actually played White Wolf's Vampire: The Maquerade, well then I am screwed aren't I.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 06:27 PM

It is Night 7. 22 Hours 32 Minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Hood's path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Tennes

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to day
1 vote(s) for Meanas: Rashan

3 vote(s) for Mockra: Emurlahn, Hood's path, Meanas


Players not voted: Mockra, Omtose, Serc, Tennes

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 April 2009 - 06:27 PM

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 06:27 PM

Ok after doing a reread of the last day or so HP has stood out. The Cam are gone and so are one of the Bali and a bunch of sabbat. So by my thinking the scum should be looking to try to drive lynches on people. Espcially if the scum killers are dead. Now Reading back HP seems to be trying to drive lynches or at least find people to drive lynches on.

 Hood's Path, on Apr 22 2009, 07:28 AM, said:

Ok, Tennes made a couple of posts that makes him seem clean to me, despite earning votes from others previously.

Mokra, on the other hand, has some suspicious posts.

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Because maybe the mods wanted to mess with you, like ment told us, not all of the roles will be used, so making you possession BP, having possession as part of the night actions and then not adding it into the game is something I can see ment doing just to get us chasing our tales.

Regardless this line of thought is getting us nowhere as I have assumed since day 1 that we have at least 1 FM running around. I would even go so far as to throw a possible second one, why? Because the V:tM System had many clans with disciplines that would someone to impersonate someone else.


This is suspicious for 2 reasons.
1: Bait and switch. Mods may be lying to you. But I've believed in not 1, but TWO FM's since the beginning.
2:

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Because the V:tM System had many clans with disciplines that would someone to impersonate someone else

This is not actually true. You can keep your clan secret, but posing as ANOTHER clan is not easy or common.

Along the lines of #2:

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First off Vampire related stuff, the Malkavian clan discipline allows them to make others insane.

This isn't true, at least not as stated. If a Malkavian TEACHES another vampire their discipline, that vampire may become insane because the discipline is messed up. BUt most vampires know this, dont want to learn the discipline, and dont trust Malkavians. Malkavians can't just turn others insane.


And finally:

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Now I am going to be gone for the rest of today, as it is a public holiday and I unfortunately have things that have to be done :(


I will now conveniently disappear.

Whew! Ok, that's Mokra and Tennes. I'll cut here to keep the post shorter and put my Meanas assessment in another post.


That case is nothing but strawmaning. A couple of excerpts from posts nothing more. HP's major point seems to be that he thinks that other vampires would have a choice in whether or not they learn the Malkavian discipline. In this game I would think that you don't get a choice.


 Hood's Path, on Apr 22 2009, 07:41 AM, said:

Ok, Meanas' posts contain a whole lot of nothing. He's/she's really polite though.

The 3 votes are on the 3 most obvious candidates for lynching, and he's steered clear of the others. He provides info on the Vampire game, and comes across knowledgeable, but doesn't really contribute much.

He also tosses in a "I dont think we should go after low post count people" halfway through his meager set of posts.

Of the 3 low post count people, Mokra and Meanas are the most suspicious IMO.


This is a classic scum tactic to try to focus the groups attention on low posters. Yes scum can hide there. But scum can also hide every where else. In the later stages of the game it is better for scum to be a mid to high poster so that they can direct the game. JA was going this route till someone cut him down.


 Hood's Path, on Apr 22 2009, 07:58 AM, said:

Holy pants, this just occurred to me.

Rashan went crazy. Fener went crazy. If Malkavians can't turn others crazy, that means that those two themselves are probably Malkavians. But Fener is dead, and he was the last of the Cam. Rashan is still around.

That means that either the same clans can be found across factions (Malkavian-Cam and whatever faction Rashan belongs to.) OR, the possession that is taking place is definately being done by a Malkavian.

We may be looking for a final member of the Sabbat who is Malkavian. In fact, that makes more sense than anything else.

If I have to hazard an analysis, Rashan is looking suspicious as a result of this. Crazy Fener is the last of the Cam. Crazy Rashan is the crazy Sabbat Malkavian? Anyone else see where I'm going with this?


It seems to me that you are trying to point fingers at everyone left so that no one points at you. Pointing out that it might be possible that the people who are have to post crazy might be scum seems like something that the person who is infecting people would do.

 Hood's Path, on Apr 22 2009, 08:13 AM, said:

Ok, that SEALS it.

I just put my stinky butt in the shower, and the thought occurred to me. Emurhlan's dementia post confirms it.

Mokra was the one who said "Malkavians can turn others crazy", which has no basis from the game.

He "knows" that because that's what his role PM told him. That PM describes what it means to be a Malkavian in this particular setting for mafia. Mokra is Malkavian.

Vote Mokra

Edited for clarity


He could know or you could be trying to frame him. I don't trust you and am starting to distrust Rashan. For now I will vote



Vote HP

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 06:27 PM

 Rashan, on Apr 22 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

Oh and im also trying to clear your name..
Though I don't know if you are sabbat, Im pretty sure you are not the FM...
HP, Mockra and Meanas I have not performed finds on, others could have been recruited or taken over since my finds on them but I would'nt know..
Vote Meanas
Going with my gut for a potential host
Completely ignored by everyone and has stayed out of the spotlight, perfect chance for a FM to take a hold of the game.
Mockra is also the lowest poster I believe.. so this I feel is the best bet
I believe this FM is from the origin of Barghast as I feel Gamelon was defending Barg indirectly on both days I had a case on him
Im going to sleep very soon if anyone has anything to discuss


Now this I find interesting, Rashan has in this post PI'd most of the other players, he then states that he has not investigated HP, Myself or Meanas, and both of them decide to jump on me.

Also I noticed that after looking at Meanas, HP decides that he has posted less content, but decides I have to be the evil Malkavian. I honestly am starting to get the feeling that these 2 are of the same faction and as we have 1 Baali left and Cammi are dead, that leaves Sabbat.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 06:29 PM

 Mockra, on Apr 22 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

 Rashan, on Apr 22 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

Oh and im also trying to clear your name..
Though I don't know if you are sabbat, Im pretty sure you are not the FM...
HP, Mockra and Meanas I have not performed finds on, others could have been recruited or taken over since my finds on them but I would'nt know..
Vote Meanas
Going with my gut for a potential host
Completely ignored by everyone and has stayed out of the spotlight, perfect chance for a FM to take a hold of the game.
Mockra is also the lowest poster I believe.. so this I feel is the best bet
I believe this FM is from the origin of Barghast as I feel Gamelon was defending Barg indirectly on both days I had a case on him
Im going to sleep very soon if anyone has anything to discuss


Now this I find interesting, Rashan has in this post PI'd most of the other players, he then states that he has not investigated HP, Myself or Meanas, and both of them decide to jump on me.

Also I noticed that after looking at Meanas, HP decides that he has posted less content, but decides I have to be the evil Malkavian. I honestly am starting to get the feeling that these 2 are of the same faction and as we have 1 Baali left and Cammi are dead, that leaves Sabbat.


I saw the same thing. Hence my vote on HP.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 06:51 PM

 Mockra, on Apr 22 2009, 08:19 PM, said:

 Meanas, on Apr 22 2009, 07:33 PM, said:

In my opinion it's not about stretching to get players lynched, but trying to find inconsistencies. Hood's Path has a valid point about the Malkavians not being able to force vampires to become insane. I can agree though that the comment about you disappearing is a bit over the top - but otherwise he's not stretching IMHO.


See, I have played 'Vampire:Bloodlines' (PC game) and I have played the pen and paper World of Darkness Vampire the Masquerade d10-based roleplaying game. I know what I am talking about and Malkavians can (or least in the edition I played they could) drive others insane.
If you want, I will quote from the book.

As for looking for a lynch, see how he jumps from Fener being the Cami Malkavian to Rashan being the Sabbat Malkavian, then decides that I must be the Sabbat Malkavian.

Now if you guys are going to lynch me because I have actually played White Wolf's Vampire: The Maquerade, well then I am screwed aren't I.

I am assuming then that you are saying Hood's Path hasn't played the games. Your post is interesting on two levels. Unless Hood's Path comes along and says he played another version I am beginning to think we've found those inconsistencies I were talking about, but in Hood's Path's posts instead. It looks like HP is just making stuff up. I also finds it interesting that the jumps are Fener then Rashan, then you. I have to ask myself if HP is distancing from Rashan. I wouldn't mind you quoting, but in my book you don't have to. I didn't get the impression before that you had played the game, instead I got the impression Hood's Path knew what he was talking about - it's after all risky to so decidedly counter your statements.


 Mockra, on Apr 22 2009, 08:27 PM, said:

 Rashan, on Apr 22 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

Oh and im also trying to clear your name..
Though I don't know if you are sabbat, Im pretty sure you are not the FM...
HP, Mockra and Meanas I have not performed finds on, others could have been recruited or taken over since my finds on them but I would'nt know..
Vote Meanas
Going with my gut for a potential host
Completely ignored by everyone and has stayed out of the spotlight, perfect chance for a FM to take a hold of the game.
Mockra is also the lowest poster I believe.. so this I feel is the best bet
I believe this FM is from the origin of Barghast as I feel Gamelon was defending Barg indirectly on both days I had a case on him
Im going to sleep very soon if anyone has anything to discuss


Now this I find interesting, Rashan has in this post PI'd most of the other players, he then states that he has not investigated HP, Myself or Meanas, and both of them decide to jump on me.

Also I noticed that after looking at Meanas, HP decides that he has posted less content, but decides I have to be the evil Malkavian. I honestly am starting to get the feeling that these 2 are of the same faction and as we have 1 Baali left and Cammi are dead, that leaves Sabbat.

I think that is an interesting find indeed. I don't know why he doens't jump on me though, mayeb he's just using me as post filling. :( I believe Rashan and Hood's Path might be Sabbat, looking from this perspective.

Thinking on it, I believe Rashan and Hood's Path is counting on getting Mockra lynched first, then based on Rashan's 'case' today, they will switch to me tomorrow.


remove vote
vote Hood's Path


Edit: to be clear, of course Hood's Path is definitely using me as post filling to later build a case, that's the end of my train of thought.

This post has been edited by Meanas: 22 April 2009 - 06:54 PM


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Posted 22 April 2009 - 06:57 PM

It is Night 7. 22 Hours 0 Minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Hood's path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Tennes

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to day

2 vote(s) for Hood's path: Meanas, Serc

1 vote(s) for Meanas: Rashan

2 vote(s) for Mockra: Emurlahn, Hood's path


Players not voted: Mockra, Omtose, Tennes
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Posted 22 April 2009 - 06:59 PM

 Serc, on Apr 22 2009, 08:29 PM, said:

 Mockra, on Apr 22 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

 Rashan, on Apr 22 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

Oh and im also trying to clear your name..
Though I don't know if you are sabbat, Im pretty sure you are not the FM...
HP, Mockra and Meanas I have not performed finds on, others could have been recruited or taken over since my finds on them but I would'nt know..
Vote Meanas
Going with my gut for a potential host
Completely ignored by everyone and has stayed out of the spotlight, perfect chance for a FM to take a hold of the game.
Mockra is also the lowest poster I believe.. so this I feel is the best bet
I believe this FM is from the origin of Barghast as I feel Gamelon was defending Barg indirectly on both days I had a case on him
Im going to sleep very soon if anyone has anything to discuss


Now this I find interesting, Rashan has in this post PI'd most of the other players, he then states that he has not investigated HP, Myself or Meanas, and both of them decide to jump on me.

Also I noticed that after looking at Meanas, HP decides that he has posted less content, but decides I have to be the evil Malkavian. I honestly am starting to get the feeling that these 2 are of the same faction and as we have 1 Baali left and Cammi are dead, that leaves Sabbat.


I saw the same thing. Hence my vote on HP.


Gah! Sorry I crossposted :(

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 07:01 PM

 Mockra, on Apr 22 2009, 01:59 PM, said:

 Serc, on Apr 22 2009, 08:29 PM, said:

 Mockra, on Apr 22 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

 Rashan, on Apr 22 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

Oh and im also trying to clear your name..
Though I don't know if you are sabbat, Im pretty sure you are not the FM...
HP, Mockra and Meanas I have not performed finds on, others could have been recruited or taken over since my finds on them but I would'nt know..
Vote Meanas
Going with my gut for a potential host
Completely ignored by everyone and has stayed out of the spotlight, perfect chance for a FM to take a hold of the game.
Mockra is also the lowest poster I believe.. so this I feel is the best bet
I believe this FM is from the origin of Barghast as I feel Gamelon was defending Barg indirectly on both days I had a case on him
Im going to sleep very soon if anyone has anything to discuss


Now this I find interesting, Rashan has in this post PI'd most of the other players, he then states that he has not investigated HP, Myself or Meanas, and both of them decide to jump on me.

Also I noticed that after looking at Meanas, HP decides that he has posted less content, but decides I have to be the evil Malkavian. I honestly am starting to get the feeling that these 2 are of the same faction and as we have 1 Baali left and Cammi are dead, that leaves Sabbat.


I saw the same thing. Hence my vote on HP.


Gah! Sorry I crossposted :(


No problem. Nice to know that I am not the only one that was picking up on weird vibes coming from Hp and Rash. The reason that I am not voting for Rashan is that he still might be a finder.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 07:03 PM

 Meanas, on Apr 22 2009, 07:33 PM, said:

In my opinion it's not about stretching to get players lynched, but trying to find inconsistencies. Hood's Path has a valid point about the Malkavians not being able to force vampires to become insane. I can agree though that the comment about you disappearing is a bit over the top - but otherwise he's not stretching IMHO.


Mind explaining how you came to the conclusion about Malkavians not being able to drive others insane?

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 07:06 PM

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 07:24 PM

 Mockra, on Apr 22 2009, 09:03 PM, said:

 Meanas, on Apr 22 2009, 07:33 PM, said:

In my opinion it's not about stretching to get players lynched, but trying to find inconsistencies. Hood's Path has a valid point about the Malkavians not being able to force vampires to become insane. I can agree though that the comment about you disappearing is a bit over the top - but otherwise he's not stretching IMHO.


Mind explaining how you came to the conclusion about Malkavians not being able to drive others insane?

Good question, here's the part where Hood's Path mentions it - he comments on your post:

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This isn't true, at least not as stated. If a Malkavian TEACHES another vampire their discipline, that vampire may become insane because the discipline is messed up. BUt most vampires know this, dont want to learn the discipline, and dont trust Malkavians. Malkavians can't just turn others insane.

To me it seemed a valid difference between forcing someone and teaching them something. Thinking on it though, the use of a certain word doens't tell us anything about how the game could be set up. TBH I'd rather go on the general sense of the theme that a person that has actually played the game extensively has, rather than on the semantics of teach or force. Of course, I can't know for sure which of you or Hood's Path has the best sense of the game - not taking into account that one or both of you could be lying. It just seems to me that your idea of the theme is easier to check therefore more valid. Add to that the fact that I see the connection between Rashan and Hood's Path - if I'm wrong about that one I am the insane one.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 07:41 PM

Anyway. I'm going to be gone for a while now. Let me incourage people to vote for Hood's Path. I think it's the key to resolving this game.

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 07:47 PM

Mockra what are your thoughts? You made a case on Hp and Rashan but haven't laid down a vote.

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