[Ampelas]

Hmph. 24 is becoming a Mafia game. Awesome.

[Ampelas]

Wow, dead thread is dead. I'll try to return before I head to bed, but for now is heroes time.

[Ampelas]

Wow, still no people. Well, see you in the morning.

[Anomandaris]

If it was 1 day then they'd get a kill every night each which is way too much. Two days means they have to try and then they get to move, its how its been run in the past.

Possible its 3 days, but I'd say 2.
Let me go back and look at all the kills/Jumps and try and put it all together.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 21 April 2009 - 03:04 AM

[Hood's Path]

This just gets better and better.

Vote Ampelas

Btw, I think the 'oak' and 'goodkind' posting (with Fener mentioning "crazy") might mean that they are both of the Malchavian clan. That's the clan that is "crazy" and hears voices and acts weird in general. In Vampire, they are often gifted with insight as well.

So, a drawn connection between Fener and Rashan is probably a clan connection.

[Mentalist]

It is Night 5. 21 Hours 30 Minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Tennes

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night

3 vote(s) for Ampelas: Hood's path, Serc, Tennes

1 vote(s) for Anomandaris: Fener

2 vote(s) for Tennes: Ampelas, Rashan


Players not voted: Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose

[Anomandaris]

Yup I agree I wasn't sure if I should mention their clan on thread or not. But when Fener mentioned insane I remembered something and went back to saw all Malkavain's are insane.

Anyway I think I have some analysis which all makes sense of the kills etc. Beginning my posting now...

[Anomandaris]

So ignoring the lynches, and only looking at the actions at day I can explain all kills away as the following.

Day 1:
One kill - Camarilla kill Shadow.
Ruse FM number one starts possesing Ampelas whose possession BP saves him.
Silanah FM number two starts possessing Barghast.

Day 2:
Camarilla kills Liosan (Sabbat).
Ruse FM 1 either attempts to posses someone different after hitting the Ampelas BP.
Silanah FM Number 2 finishes possesing Barghast who was a member of Anarch and was Peanutbutta.

Day 3:
Two kills.
Camarilla kill D'riss (Anarch).
Ruse FM 1 finishes his posssesion take over and jumps into an Anarch (Tapper).
Barghast FM2 starts possesion of Alt146 an Anarch.

Day 4:
One kill.
Camarilla set off my kill BP.
FM 1 attempts possesion on me, and fails.
FM2 jumps into Alt146 Anarch.

Worst case for the next 2 days is.
This means Day 5, I expect one kill from the Camarilla.
And Day 6 we could have 3 kills, 1 Camarilla and 2 FM moving to new bodies.

Barghast we know was a FM with his fake Finder reveal to get the lynch on Korvalain. No Anarch is going to blatently lie like that to get someone lynched, and if he was an actual Finder why would he get the group wrong.

I believe remaining are:
2 Baali FM's:
Ruse -> ??
Silanah - > Barghast -> ??

Camarilla are untouched, as a guess 1 kill with 2 killers who can talk and a symp or two. Its possible they are down a symp as their symps would come back Anarch.

One Sabbat recruiter is still active, Korvalain went from Anarch (Rashans find) to Sabbat (CF result) yesterday.

Comments etc? It all makes sense to me.

[Rashan]

My night oak2 find oakwas on oakBarg and oakhe came oakup Baalioak
Order in oakwhich actions oakwill be oakresolved is oakGuard Heal oakFind Recruit oakKill Possess oakResurrect
Possess oakafter find

[Rashan]

Korv find oak was nightoak 1. Recruiter oakmight be oakgone by oaknow

[Mentalist]

It is Day 5. 19 Hours 52 Minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's path, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Tennes

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night

3 vote(s) for Ampelas: Hood's path, Serc, Tennes

1 vote(s) for Anomandaris: Fener

2 vote(s) for Tennes: Ampelas, Rashan


Players not voted: Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Galain, Gamelon, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose

bedtime for me, you will be modless, etc.

[Anomandaris]

Rashan, on Apr 21 2009, 01:43 AM, said:

My night oak2 find oakwas on oakBarg and oakhe came oakup Baalioak
Order in oakwhich actions oakwill be oakresolved is oakGuard Heal oakFind Recruit oakKill Possess oakResurrect
Possess oakafter find

Hmm excellent point, a shame since I rather liked my order of things it all seemed to make sense of events as they have happened so far.

My only possible explanation which lets my chain of events stand is, Possession action takes 2 days. Once you possess day 1, their faction changes to Baali, they just don't know they're about to be taken over.
Somewhat plausible I guess, but not likely unfortunately.

Anyone else want to chime in?

[Omtose]

I still dont like the idea that there are 2 fm's

its very over powered...I wont write the idea off though. I just cant rap my head around there being two.
They would have to be able to talk off thread. What if they both target the same person for instance?

So 2 FM's both communicating off thread is an awesome pair...

....sigh

[Omtose]

Unfortunately i have a ton of work today as its a public holiday tomorrow, i will however be on as much as possible.

[Hood's Path]

Wow, this is a first. I disappear for a several hours and only a few posts happen in that time? What's up? Where'd everybody go?

There are some things I haven't wrapped my head around yet, so I'm going to go back and review for a bit. Maybe I'll have an epiphany.

[Gamelon]

Lots on info, interesting.

It seems that once again we get a find different from the CF. Are we sure that CF is not insane? I'm tempted to lynch Omtose just to see

I find this strange this additional info comes from Rashan, who not so long ago was the biggest denier of the FMs' presence.

To continue Ano's analysis, there's this pair which is interesting:

Day 1: Korvalain - inno .... Silanah - Sabbat (finds)
Day 2 : .... Silanah - Inno (CF)
Night 3: Korvalain - Sabbat (CF)

So, it is possible that the FM are not only the Baali, but all the scum factions would have one? Either that or Silanah was "recruited" by the innos like Telas suggested, but that sounds bizarre

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 21 April 2009 - 10:19 AM

[Gamelon]

Also, Rashan, when exactly did you know about Barghast being Baali? You made that find on day 3, right?

So why the hell do you reveal now?? You didn't want to reveal when we could lynch Barghast, I guess to not expose yourself, but now that it's too late you're exposing yourself anyways why?

Your info on Korvalain and Barghast is massive. It makes us re-interpret our whole chain of events - Korvalain was not a Camarelli recruited to the Sabbat, and Barghast was a lying FM. And it basically proves the FM exist. That means I need to trust you.

So, why didn't you reveal yesterday?

[Gamelon]

double post - sorry

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 21 April 2009 - 10:17 AM

[Gamelon]

Tennes's reaction is interesting indeed. At the slightest hint that the FM would jump into a lurker, he comes out and posts like crazy, doubling his post count in the last two pages.

[Hood's Path]

Ok, I feel someone is laughing their ass off as we scurry around figuring out who possessed who and when.

To be honest, Amp coming across confused seems more related to the faction confusion than any scum alliance.
The question becomes, should we keep chasing after and lynching the converted? Sure, they're scum, but we really need to find and hit the source. I realize that Amp trying to call down Tennes for low post count is to distract the lynch attention on himself. This makes him more suspicious in my mind, but he's gotta try something so I don't blame him. We can(should) lynch Amp tomorrow, but if we do it today we risk everything just getting messier and messier since I dont think he's the source.

In a nutshell, I feel we're latching on to the obvious, which is allowing the real bastard(s) to stay just that far ahead.

This is probably why the cool, collected, easily fit into the flow, Anomandaris is looking more alarming. Here are some quotes of his, but I recommend people go back and look over the quote list that Fener put up as well.

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Not sure I believe Barghast either. Korvalain was under pressure, why would they be recruited by Sabbat? Hard to complain about results though.. .

A pressure that was joined and then pushed by Ano, smoothly transitioning and changing his vote.

About Fener's goodkind crazy posting:

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Hmm damn I believe you Fener I recall reading something about that. Anyway off to bed, back in 10 or so hours

This is from the same guy who was previously asking for certain mechanics of the original story (phishing for info). But, I didn't find any references to crazy vampires or malkavians on this thread before I brought them up just a little bit ago. It therefore comes off as another "oh, I understand and agree" moment.

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