[Emurlahn]

Here briefly (just woke up) will definately be around more later.

On the Lio case, I feel the same way I did last night/night. We have already lynched 1 inno/anarch/w/e on a perceived 'slip', which at the time seemed reasonable, but I am not yet prepared to go down that path. I am happy to vote for Galain for coasting, but once again would like to hear a defence from him.

Edit: Cross post

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 18 April 2009 - 08:03 AM

[Liosan]

Why thank you, Korlat.

Well, we still have twenty hours left. This is good. I'm hoping for more posts in general, to give more stuff. At the same time, I'm probably going to check out a few other people, just to see if there is anything out there that catches my attention...

[Rashan]

Well all I see now is Liosan symping Galain.. which leads me to believe we might have found someone.

[Liosan]

I'm symping Galain now? Because I said he's not necesarily symping me?

[Galain]

Ok, why are people saying im a symp now? All i did was point out that the case on Liosan was rubbish and thin, which it was and suddenly im symping him? Right now im definitely looking at Korv (i think) who seemed to actually buy that case.
And to the people voting for me for not contributing, i wasnt really around for much of day one and when i start contributing on day 2 you decide to lynch me for not contributing, that just seems like grasping for straws and i am surprised its grown reasonabally quickly

[Galain]

ok gone back now and it seems 2 of the votes on me were before i posted so i can understand them now

[Galain]

Ok just looked into Rashan because of reasoning (or lack of it) in voting for me.
As in he comes in and says "I dont see why we shouldnt lynch Galain unless he has a really good reason" which isnt a reason really then after Korlat says do you think he's flying low or symping he basically comes back and parrots that reason, now to me this seems like he's just jumping on what seems like the most likely train and is definitely suspicious in my eyes.
Looking into his posts he hasnt really done alot its pretty much all 1 liners and spam with very little solid reasoning at all so
Vote Rashan
Because i think hes trying to hide in the shadows a bit and isnt giving any good reasons for his votes so i think he's just trying to lynch anyone

[Korlat]

I'm going to bed, so I leave you with this. Seems appropriate.

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[Hood's Path]

Meh, my timing has been spotty these past couple of days, so I've been on for small 10minute stretches. By the time I wade through 5 new pages of spam, I find myself with no time to dash off a reply. (case in point, my one post on some vampire info, and then I had to disappear again).

This shouldn't be a problem after this.

[Rashan]

Galain, on Apr 18 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

Ok just looked into Rashan because of reasoning (or lack of it) in voting for me.
As in he comes in and says "I dont see why we shouldnt lynch Galain unless he has a really good reason" which isnt a reason really then after Korlat says do you think he's flying low or symping he basically comes back and parrots that reason, now to me this seems like he's just jumping on what seems like the most likely train and is definitely suspicious in my eyes.
Looking into his posts he hasnt really done alot its pretty much all 1 liners and spam with very little solid reasoning at all so
Vote Rashan
Because i think hes trying to hide in the shadows a bit and isnt giving any good reasons for his votes so i think he's just trying to lynch anyone

OMGUS much?
Non contribution is the reasoning and you know that, don't try make it anything else. You don't have a really good reason as it seems so who cares what you think. From Liosans responses and not making a case but rather defending you, I learn alot.

[Rashan]

Funny how neither of you have voted for each other isn't it?

[Meanas]

Hood's Path, on Apr 18 2009, 10:41 AM, said:

Meh, my timing has been spotty these past couple of days, so I've been on for small 10minute stretches. By the time I wade through 5 new pages of spam, I find myself with no time to dash off a reply. (case in point, my one post on some vampire info, and then I had to disappear again).

This shouldn't be a problem after this.

I am also here, should be for a couple of hours. So HP, it seems you're the only person who has played the game (apart from Ment). Any other info you feel might be important? Anything that might substantiate the whole Baali = FM theory that was flying around last night?

Personally I think we have one very strong, small scum faction (Baali) and a larger weaker faction (Camarilla), with a cult that most likely knows everyone in it, a longish recruiting time (two-three nights if it stays true to what HP said) and the possibility that all the original members can recruit.

As for scum at this point, I think jumping all over the low posters on day two isnt the way to go. We still have tons of time, I think some deeper investigation is warranted.

[Hood's Path]

Baali in the game were allowed another discipline that no one else was, but it wasn't something I would think is applicable to our situation here. They are fully despised by both Camerilla and Sabbat. When we played, they were generally solitary hiding out types, which makes the idea of a "cell" or Baali kind of interesting.

[Hood's Path]

Some additional information, which is probably totally worthless for this scenario:

The Sabbat in the game like doing something called diablerie, which was to drink another vampire's blood and gain his/her powers. If they can do THAT in this game, that could make them more problematic as the game goes on.

What confused me at first was the fact that Judas calls the group the Anarch movement, since the Sabbat are generally referred to as the anarchs in the original game. That doesnt really matter I suspect.

[Liosan]

Interesting how both Rashan and Korvalain seem to follow Korlat, isn't it?

Korlat, on Apr 17 2009, 10:55 PM, said:

Do you think he is flying low, or symping?

Rashan, on Apr 17 2009, 11:03 PM, said:

I think he is flying low and fake symping to seem like he is contributing

Korlat, on Apr 17 2009, 04:50 PM, said:

So Galain's 3rd and 4th posts are to come in and symp the hell out of someone?

Korvalain, on Apr 17 2009, 04:51 PM, said:

Korlat, on Apr 17 2009, 08:50 PM, said:

So Galain's 3rd and 4th posts are to come in and symp the hell out of someone?

And try to cover it with the excuse of being drunk?

Korlat, on Apr 17 2009, 01:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on Apr 17 2009, 12:31 PM, said:

Hell, I'm just concerned we've gone from "Sabbat and Baali and Camarilla as evil factions" to "there is no scum" (alright, so that's just one of us tongue.gif )...but we all seem convinced there is a cult now? It wasn't that many pages back the majority of the players were thinking there wasn't a cult - remember in the opening scene, the Sabbat was "your cell" - that implies more than one, and that doesn't sound like a cult, that sounds like a merc, or a standard killer, faction, the Camarilla just aren't into the whole conversion thing, lore-wise, and the opening post for the Camarilla makes it sound like he's a lone agent - "we may not be able to provide further assistance".

Of course, that's just flavour, technically, and the "new craft" of the Sabbat sounds VERY much like recruitment...or a faceless man, though I really doubt that.

If we are going with there being a cult, it'd have to be the Sabbat, I agree...but the mention of "cell" implies they are starting with more than one. Now, think about this. If they start with 3, and the ability to recruit...that's a huge advantage over the other "last man standing" factions. So there's a bit of contradiction.

I'm just musing out loud, here, btw - waffling a bit. But feedback'd be nice.

I suppose I should back my "case" on Tellan with a vote, of course...

Vote Tellan

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Oh, and I'm not saying there isn't a cult - hell, I'm voting for a guy who probably is in a cult! XD Or he's trying to make us focus on the cult, etc.

It's just possible that there isn't a cult, so it pays to discuss a bit.

Oh, and Tellan is now on 8 Votes, for those who may wish to know.

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And I was merely pointing out, that, (as I was reading over the first few pages), most players initially seemed to think there was no cult.

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I agree, Gamelon, that if there is a cult, it is the Sabbat. My prior post was merely musings, as I pointed out. But claiming that because PS put "recruit" as a possible action in the action order list, is just silly, considering the disclaimer located directly beneath it. Did anyone consider the Sabbat might be able to use the posession instead of the recruit?

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Tellan, Ment has told us what the town is. It's in the opening rules posts. There is town. They have victory conditions. This is just making me think you are definitely NOT town.

Just can't stop talking about your powers can you? Cult this, Sabbat that. The last quote sealed it for me you say there is a town and "they have victory conditions". So you confirmed that you know there is a town, then you should know that everyone is going to claim to be town, so shouldn't you have said "We" have victory conditions?

Vote Liosan

From Apr 17 2009, 01:31 PM:

Korlat, on Apr 17 2009, 05:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on Apr 17 2009, 12:31 PM, said:

Hell, I'm just concerned we've gone from "Sabbat and Baali and Camarilla as evil factions" to "there is no scum" (alright, so that's just one of us tongue.gif )...but we all seem convinced there is a cult now? It wasn't that many pages back the majority of the players were thinking there wasn't a cult - remember in the opening scene, the Sabbat was "your cell" - that implies more than one, and that doesn't sound like a cult, that sounds like a merc, or a standard killer, faction, the Camarilla just aren't into the whole conversion thing, lore-wise, and the opening post for the Camarilla makes it sound like he's a lone agent - "we may not be able to provide further assistance".

Of course, that's just flavour, technically, and the "new craft" of the Sabbat sounds VERY much like recruitment...or a faceless man, though I really doubt that.

If we are going with there being a cult, it'd have to be the Sabbat, I agree...but the mention of "cell" implies they are starting with more than one. Now, think about this. If they start with 3, and the ability to recruit...that's a huge advantage over the other "last man standing" factions. So there's a bit of contradiction.

I'm just musing out loud, here, btw - waffling a bit. But feedback'd be nice.

I suppose I should back my "case" on Tellan with a vote, of course...

Vote Tellan

Liosan said:

Oh, and I'm not saying there isn't a cult - hell, I'm voting for a guy who probably is in a cult! XD Or he's trying to make us focus on the cult, etc.

It's just possible that there isn't a cult, so it pays to discuss a bit.

Oh, and Tellan is now on 8 Votes, for those who may wish to know.

Liosan said:

And I was merely pointing out, that, (as I was reading over the first few pages), most players initially seemed to think there was no cult.

Liosan said:

I agree, Gamelon, that if there is a cult, it is the Sabbat. My prior post was merely musings, as I pointed out. But claiming that because PS put "recruit" as a possible action in the action order list, is just silly, considering the disclaimer located directly beneath it. Did anyone consider the Sabbat might be able to use the posession instead of the recruit?

Liosan said:

Tellan, Ment has told us what the town is. It's in the opening rules posts. There is town. They have victory conditions. This is just making me think you are definitely NOT town.

Just can't stop talking about your powers can you? Cult this, Sabbat that. The last quote sealed it for me you say there is a town and "they have victory conditions". So you confirmed that you know there is a town, then you should know that everyone is going to claim to be town, so shouldn't you have said "We" have victory conditions?

Vote Liosan

He does seem to be jumping around a lot, doesn't he? As if he said something he think might indicate he's scum and is trying to hurriedly cover himself. And finishing it all off with a quick accusation against someone else to try and put his accuser on the defensive. Good stuff Korlat.

Vote Liosan

The most blatant is Korvalain, looking to see if there is anything further now.

Once again, I'm just looking at this stuff - I'm not saying there is anything in it.

But Korvalain directly follows Korlat, and now Rashan is trying to suggest a link between me and Galain because I suggested that Galain is not a symp - which I would do if I was inno or if I was evil, of course, because if anyone accuses someone of symping someone else, wtf does Rashan expect?

[Hood's Path]

Anyone exploring the question as to why Shadow was whacked? Someone irritated by his spamming mayhaps?

[Rashan]

Liosan, on Apr 18 2009, 09:29 AM, said:

The most blatant is Korvalain, looking to see if there is anything further now.

Once again, I'm just looking at this stuff - I'm not saying there is anything in it.

But Korvalain directly follows Korlat, and now Rashan is trying to suggest a link between me and Galain because I suggested that Galain is not a symp - which I would do if I was inno or if I was evil, of course, because if anyone accuses someone of symping someone else, wtf does Rashan expect?

Galain started symping you and then you started symping him.. that seems quite clear. You persist in not making a case against anyone while defending our other lead.. I don't understand your gameplan at this point.

[Rashan]

Hood's Path, on Apr 18 2009, 09:42 AM, said:

Anyone exploring the question as to why Shadow was whacked? Someone irritated by his spamming mayhaps?

I thought he was a good lynch candidate for today so I have no idea why the killers wouldn't want him around.
Might have been a vig kill from someone who thought he was clear scum or someone who didn't want his spam anymore.

[Liosan]

Rashan, what exactly does my post say? "Korvalain direclty follows Korlat". With quotes. I'm looking for more, but they never seemed to be online at the same time before. *shrug*

And I don't get how I'm symping Galain. By saying he's not a symp? That is not frigging symping, that is defending myself!

[Rashan]

Liosan, on Apr 18 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

Rashan, what exactly does my post say? "Korvalain direclty follows Korlat". With quotes. I'm looking for more, but they never seemed to be online at the same time before. *shrug*

And I don't get how I'm symping Galain. By saying he's not a symp? That is not frigging symping, that is defending myself!

Well I don't really read too much into people who vote straight after someone else, especially today as we really had nothing else to go on. You saying he is not a symp is defending yourself but you don't even place a vote on him or someone else, you just defend him and he defends you..
Now he has an omgus vote on me..