[Onos]

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In a landscape torn with grief, the carcasses of six dragons lay strewn in a ragged row reaching a thousand or more paces across the plain, flesh split apart, broken bones jutting, jaws gaping and eyes brittle-dry. Where their blood had spilled out onto the ground wraiths had gathered like flies to sap and were now ensnared, the ghosts writhing and voicing hollow cries of despair, as the blood darkened, fusing with the lifeless soil, and, when at last the substance grew indurate, hardening into glassy stone, those ghosts were doomed to an eternity trapped within that murky prison.
The naked creature that traversed the rough path formed by the fallen dragons was a match to their mass, yet bound to the earth, and it walked on two bowed legs, the thighs thick as thousand-year old trees. The width of its shoulders was equal to the length of a Tartheno Toblakai’s height; from a thick neck hidden beneath a mane of glossy black hair, the frontal portion of the head was thrust forward -- brow, cheek-bones and jaw, and its deep-set eyes revealed black pupils surrounded in opalescent white. The huge arms were disproportionately long, the enormous hands almost scraping the ground. Its breasts were large, pendulous and pale. As it strode past the battered, rotting carcasses, the motion of its gait was strangely fluid, not at all lumbering, and each limb was revealed to possess extra joints.
Skin the hue of sun-bleached bone, darkening to veined red at the ends of the creature’s arms, bruises surrounding the knuckles, a lattice-work of cracked flesh exposing the bone here and there. The hands had seen damage, the result of delivering devastating blows.

This is the RG prologue talking about Killy. She has the connection with the FA. Skin color seems to match. Do we have other FA color desciptions?

[Morgoth]

Onos, on Mar 31 2009, 06:37 PM, said:

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In a landscape torn with grief, the carcasses of six dragons lay strewn in a ragged row reaching a thousand or more paces across the plain, flesh split apart, broken bones jutting, jaws gaping and eyes brittle-dry. Where their blood had spilled out onto the ground wraiths had gathered like flies to sap and were now ensnared, the ghosts writhing and voicing hollow cries of despair, as the blood darkened, fusing with the lifeless soil, and, when at last the substance grew indurate, hardening into glassy stone, those ghosts were doomed to an eternity trapped within that murky prison.
The naked creature that traversed the rough path formed by the fallen dragons was a match to their mass, yet bound to the earth, and it walked on two bowed legs, the thighs thick as thousand-year old trees. The width of its shoulders was equal to the length of a Tartheno Toblakai’s height; from a thick neck hidden beneath a mane of glossy black hair, the frontal portion of the head was thrust forward -- brow, cheek-bones and jaw, and its deep-set eyes revealed black pupils surrounded in opalescent white. The huge arms were disproportionately long, the enormous hands almost scraping the ground. Its breasts were large, pendulous and pale. As it strode past the battered, rotting carcasses, the motion of its gait was strangely fluid, not at all lumbering, and each limb was revealed to possess extra joints.
Skin the hue of sun-bleached bone, darkening to veined red at the ends of the creature’s arms, bruises surrounding the knuckles, a lattice-work of cracked flesh exposing the bone here and there. The hands had seen damage, the result of delivering devastating blows.

This is the RG prologue talking about Killy. She has the connection with the FA. Skin color seems to match. Do we have other FA color desciptions?

nice one

[Tiger_sword]

In HoC Calm's skin is described as the colour of polished marble

[Onos]

What is the purpose of FA? To my knowledge it is 'bringing peace' to things. AKA making them dead. Now i understand that in general FA seem more solitary and they seem like a race that generally has no need to for help from others, but it does seem like someone is 'bringing peace' across the greater Kolanse area. And their skill color is a match.

Either CG convinced/tricked some of them to join him, or they dont have a problem with people helping them 'bring peace' in return for not being killed out right. (a large mob + FA will kill more than just FA)

[masan's saddle]

Can't be 100% about the bone skinned chaps being FA, however just re-read the bit in HoC when Karsa and his 2 pals bump into Calm,

Spoiler

" ....Elongated limbs, extra jointed, the skin stretched taut and pallid as moonlight..., She shed hair in black sheets of dust until her pate was revealed, smooth and white...., skin like polished marble...., She was gaunt, her body a collection of planes and angles. her breasts were high and far apart, her sternum prominent between them, she seemed to possess far too many ribs."

Hmmm, even if it turns out that the " bone skinned inquisitors" are not FA, I think we're still gonna get some action from the "Bringer of Peace" at some point,

Spoiler

" She laughed. 'And Icarium and those damned T'lan Imass will not be pleased that you undid their work. Then again, it is likely Icarium has no memory of having done so, and the T'lan Imass are far away....The one named Karsa has been chosen. If I was to tell you the little that I sense of his ultimate purpose, you would seek to kill him.....Watch this friend of yours (Karsa). Guard him. There will come a time when he stands poised to change the world. And when that time comes, I shall be there.For I bring peace.When that moment arrives, cease guarding him."

( HoC, pgs 94,95,97. Bantam Books)

So, it looks like we have an FA in direct opposition to Karsa and by association, the CG ?

Does Calm have the " complete picture" of what Karsa will become through some form of prescience as her hinting at his "ultimate purpose" implies. Or does she sense only the hand of chaos and a need to "bring peace" ?

Who knows, but I feel a convergence coming on

This post has been edited by masan's saddle: 02 April 2009 - 03:07 AM

[James Hetfield]

This could be way off, but I will throw it out there anyway----

Could it be the Barghast? From what I recall, and I could be wron'g, the barghast have a weird kind of armor that is worn almost like a second skin, perhaps even fused into their skin kinda KC'CMish.

Plus we know they paint their faces white, at least Hetan and co. did. They also put grease on their bodies and it could be white.

I know this is a lot o' speculation but I just thought I would put another possibility out there.

And yes I know most or all of the Barghast were on the Awl plains last we heard.

[Sinisdar Toste]

your confusing the barghast with the moranth, who have exoskeltal armour of some sort. the barghast dont but they do have painted white faces. all in all it seems unlikely that it's either group

[Tarcanus]

To add to the crazy theory about the Liosan, I want to add in the other theory that Held may have been Edur since her descriptions were filled with mentions of shadow. I will now stretch this theory further.

The descriptors bone-skinned and inquisitors both fit with the Liosan. Now, I'm probably way off, since I haven't re-read HoC in quite a while, but didn't the Liosan attack Trull and Onrack? Or at least try. Perhaps the Liosan dislike Edur. If the people of Kolanse are somehow Edur-descended, it may be that the Liosan would choose Kolanse to begin another Just War. Perhaps the FA are mixed in there, too, and the Kolanse-folk are just caught in the middle in some way.

[Lister of Smeg]

The Liosan don't exactly hate the Edur. From what we've seen, they seem to pity them and think the Edur are only good as slaves. Whereas they really hate the Andii.

[Obdigore]

Lister of Smeg, on Apr 2 2009, 01:00 PM, said:

The Liosan don't exactly hate the Edur. From what we've seen, they seem to pity them and think the Edur are only good as slaves. Whereas they really hate the Andii.

The Liosan view themselves as the highpoint of civilization, and allow edur in their presence since they have felt father light's touch, almost like they pity them. The Andii they hate since they are mother dark's children (mother dark seduced father light, THAT BITCH!!!! ).

As for other societies, I think they would allow them to be subservient, but I cannot wrap my mind around an honor based society allowing, nay HELPING, one side rape and devour the other. I just cannot see it happening.

[Urizen]

Obdigore, on Apr 3 2009, 10:52 PM, said:

As for other societies, I think they would allow them to be subservient, but I cannot wrap my mind around an honor based society allowing, nay HELPING, one side rape and devour the other. I just cannot see it happening.

I can. I can see the Liosans going along with it in the name of necessity and the greater good. Especially since the those exposed to it are, from the Liosans PoV, "lesser" beings.

Besides, are the Liosan society so honor based really? I don't recall. The few Liosan's we see are not especially honorble.

[D'rek]

Urizen, on Apr 4 2009, 04:22 AM, said:

Besides, are the Liosan society so honor based really? I don't recall. The few Liosan's we see are not especially honorble.

I agree. Just because they talk all fancy and consider themselves superior to everyone else doesn't make them give a rat's ass about honor. If anything I'd think it was the very opposite case...

[tiam]

the boneskinned inquisitors go on about the greater good which kinda fits liosan. But what motivation do they have? Its definitely not FA. Also whoever these inquisitors are they seem almost subserviant to these 'fathers' which sugggest there not Liosan. i know they dabble in father worship and are a patriarchal society but really there likely not be either liosan or FA

[Urizen]

tiam, on Apr 6 2009, 07:20 PM, said:

the boneskinned inquisitors go on about the greater good which kinda fits liosan. But what motivation do they have? Its definitely not FA. Also whoever these inquisitors are they seem almost subserviant to these 'fathers' which sugggest there not Liosan. i know they dabble in father worship and are a patriarchal society but really there likely not be either liosan or FA

The motivation might be to exterminate the lesser races to save them from themselves. So that they don't have to suffer under the corrupting influence of the Crippled God for instance.

[tiam]

possible but that means detroying all humans so that they cannot be manipulated by the CG is a pretty hefty means to an end

[Sinisdar Toste]

and if there ever was a race ripe for corruption by the CG its the liosan themselves, arrogant, and ignorant as all get out

[blackzoid]

Why all the Liosan hate? We only had pov from 4-5 of them. And we consign the race as being evil SOB's?
Loric wasn't that bad. Osserc is an idiot but not evil. And the 4 guys were humorous more then anything else.
What about the ignorance/arrogence of humans/Teblor. Is Karsa so much more special then the Liosan?

For what its worth, I don't think the group mentioned in the prologue is either FA or Liosan. ICE will be dealing with them I think. As races anyway, (there may be individual FA/Liosan in the last 2 books, but not groups of them I imagine).
A new group of humans is what it sounds like to me.

And Calm won't be meeting Karsa until the end of the TTT trilogy. Count on it. Thats when Karsa will lead his Teblor army, and thats when Calm will meet up with him.

This post has been edited by blackzoid: 07 April 2009 - 02:14 PM

[tiam]

blackzoid, on Apr 7 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

Why all the Liosan hate? We only had pov from 4-5 of them. And we consign the race as being evil SOB's?
Loric wasn't that bad. Osserc is an idiot but not evil. And the 4 guys were humorous more then anything else.
What about the ignorance/arrogence of humans/Teblor. Is Karsa so much more special then the Liosan?

For what its worth, I don't think the group mentioned in the prologue is either FA or Liosan. ICE will be dealing with them I think. As races anyway, (there may be individual FA/Liosan in the last 2 books, but not groups of them I imagine).
A new group of humans is what it sounds like to me.

And Calm won't be meeting Karsa until the end of the TTT trilogy. Count on it. Thats when Karsa will lead his Teblor army, and thats when Calm will meet up with him.

Yeh i do agree that its likely humans. but i dont think ICE will be dealing with the FA and the Liosan. I think either could. just because ICE has got Assail doesnt mean hes got the race as there seems to be alot of human activity on Assail.

As for the Liosan id say SE will take that on. Duno why but it seems like hes already introduced them so hell carry them on.

[Varan]

For what its worth I think the inquisitors are either FA or Liosan, both have a weird sense of justice/honour and by the looks of things, its mostly children who haven't hit puberty that have survived i.e they let them llive becuase their innocent or something along those lines whilst all adults have been killed.

They say its neccessary so perhaps its FA their spilling blood, elder gods = blood worship = looking to release killy?? very far-fetched but its a theory..

And I think theres more than one faction running around the area atm, I reckon whoever did in kalyth's tribe was different to the inquistors..

[Morgoth]

tiam, on Apr 6 2009, 08:20 PM, said:

the boneskinned inquisitors go on about the greater good which kinda fits liosan. But what motivation do they have? Its definitely not FA. Also whoever these inquisitors are they seem almost subserviant to these 'fathers' which sugggest there not Liosan. i know they dabble in father worship and are a patriarchal society but really there likely not be either liosan or FA

definitly not FA? What do you base that upon?