[bubba]

Well that blows my theory out of the water....back to square one.

[dktorode]

I think there is a decent chance that either Mentalist, bubba or JA are the killer. (ofcourse i am there as well)
Because when dibs came on this morning he stated that he is keeping stuff on certain players off the thread so not to attract the night kill, and the only people that have been online since dibs came on is JA, myself, ment and bubba. (sixty is dead)

Now this coupled with the fact that i obviously have been having a bit of a tiff with Dibs make's him a perfect target for night kill. Since now he cant reveal what he has been thinking and also set me up for a great wifom argument to get me lynched. 2 birds with one stone. I think the killer is very clever and experienced for sure.

I would also put morgy in there actually, simply because morgy talked a bit about how dibs is not playing normal and i know how morgy thinks....he could be thinking that dibs was roled.

I think both Morgy and JA are playing VERY clean games, and even though there is not much to go on with regards to these two (which is exactly the way they would be playing it), they definitely need to be looked at. JA is very good at playing clean when he is scum.
What worries me most about Morgy is that he is not stirring the pot as much as he normally does.

It would be very difficult getting a lynch on either of these guys with the way they have been playing up to this point. But if i get lynched or get killed REMEMBER THESE WORDS!!!!

[dktorode]

Jump Around, on Mar 25 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

dktorode, on Mar 25 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

aaah fuck....well done dibs.

uh?

His whole strategy was to stay alive, by sticking with one suspect and not revealing too much on his other suspects...now all his ideas on who else might be scum has just died with him...

[Morgoth]

drinksinbars, on Mar 25 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

...

obdi was inno, so veng goes ont he back burner, possibly fake symped obdi but i doubt it.

Today dk makes a few posts reference a line in ps opening post, yet conveniently misses the line before and points this out in no uncertain terms, and to me that feels forced. Coupled with this the suuspected symp kurt jumps in with a weak case that conveniently makes an attempt to exhonorate dk through a similar mistake but of the opposite degree.

At this point i would prefer to stop, but a role is a roll and it has icecream in it so why not.

Morgoth isnt acting weird, in fact he is being helpful and softly softly, if the norwegian, who has a usual talent for spotting me as scum really thought i was guilty he would be voting me. Therefore his talk of being suspicious is simply laying down groundwork for a future case and i find that scummy.

suspect list
1 - dk (fake info reveal to prove innocence through ignorance)
2 - kurt (tied to dk's)
3 - Morgoth (playing softly softly and not following through his suspicions with evidence or votes. )

also i notice my case on dk has been conveniently reduced from a deliberate attempt to appear inno into a case built upon a reading error, which was never the case. Main culprit of this :- morgoth.

the reason I haven't voted for you is because I don't have anything to go for from you. Before this post your contributions have been withdrawn and somewhat neutral. That alone makes me suspicious, but not quite enough so for me to just jump you there. My talk of you being suspicious was meant to get you out in the open, that may in itself lead to a later case yes, but I hardly see that as particularly scummy. How else am I going to get a read on you?

I'm also surprised that you claim I'm not following my suspicions through with votes. I was suspicious of Ment and voted for him. I found the case on Sixty to strenghten the suspicions I had in that direction and changed my vote to him.

As for the dk case. That was how I understood your case and thus that's the basis on which I disagreed with it.

And what's this with people thinking I'm like a rabide dog in these games? Look back in previous games. I ask questions and poke until I find something that doesn't fit, and then I throw everything against that. I see no reason to be particularly agressive until I find a slip.

[Jump Around]

dktorode, on Mar 25 2009, 03:54 PM, said:

Jump Around, on Mar 25 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

dktorode, on Mar 25 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

aaah fuck....well done dibs.

uh?

His whole strategy was to stay alive, by sticking with one suspect and not revealing too much on his other suspects...now all his ideas on who else might be scum has just died with him...

What good would that be? You're dismissing his main suspect, i.e. you, so why would you care about his other suspicions?

Your reaction to that dibs kill are a bit off, my face-shifting falied magician friend.

[Morgoth]

Path-Shaper, on Mar 25 2009, 02:25 PM, said:

It is Day 2
24 hours left.
9 Players alive
(Bubba, DKTorode, Gavin, Jump Around, Kurt M., Mentalist, Morgoth, Vengeance, Yellow)
5 votes to lynch

No one has voted


Players not voted : Bubba, DKTorode, Gavin, Jump Around, , Kurt M., Mentalist, Morgoth, Vengeance, Yellow

oh.. well.. that changes things

[Vengeance]

Well an other lynched happened right before I got on. Irritating. Not that I wouldn't have agreed with the lynch. I just hate it when shit goes down and I am not here. Dibs was playing like innocent Dibs although not as aggressive as innocent dibs usually is. After looking back over Morgoth's posts I don't think that he is playing like an innocent. I think that he is playing really clean. Usually Morgoth is right in there throwing his opinion around like it is the word of god and he isn't doing that so much here. It seems as though he is putting just enough info out there so that people can register it and to keep things going. So I am going to

Vote Morgoth

[bubba]

Morgoth, on Mar 25 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Mar 25 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

...

obdi was inno, so veng goes ont he back burner, possibly fake symped obdi but i doubt it.

Today dk makes a few posts reference a line in ps opening post, yet conveniently misses the line before and points this out in no uncertain terms, and to me that feels forced. Coupled with this the suuspected symp kurt jumps in with a weak case that conveniently makes an attempt to exhonorate dk through a similar mistake but of the opposite degree.

At this point i would prefer to stop, but a role is a roll and it has icecream in it so why not.

Morgoth isnt acting weird, in fact he is being helpful and softly softly, if the norwegian, who has a usual talent for spotting me as scum really thought i was guilty he would be voting me. Therefore his talk of being suspicious is simply laying down groundwork for a future case and i find that scummy.

suspect list
1 - dk (fake info reveal to prove innocence through ignorance)
2 - kurt (tied to dk's)
3 - Morgoth (playing softly softly and not following through his suspicions with evidence or votes. )

also i notice my case on dk has been conveniently reduced from a deliberate attempt to appear inno into a case built upon a reading error, which was never the case. Main culprit of this :- morgoth.

the reason I haven't voted for you is because I don't have anything to go for from you. Before this post your contributions have been withdrawn and somewhat neutral. That alone makes me suspicious, but not quite enough so for me to just jump you there. My talk of you being suspicious was meant to get you out in the open, that may in itself lead to a later case yes, but I hardly see that as particularly scummy. How else am I going to get a read on you?

I'm also surprised that you claim I'm not following my suspicions through with votes. I was suspicious of Ment and voted for him. I found the case on Sixty to strenghten the suspicions I had in that direction and changed my vote to him.

As for the dk case. That was how I understood your case and thus that's the basis on which I disagreed with it.

And what's this with people thinking I'm like a rabide dog in these games? Look back in previous games. I ask questions and poke until I find something that doesn't fit, and then I throw everything against that. I see no reason to be particularly agressive until I find a slip.

????????????????????????????????????????????


:edit cross post

[dktorode]

Jump Around, on Mar 25 2009, 04:00 PM, said:

dktorode, on Mar 25 2009, 03:54 PM, said:

Jump Around, on Mar 25 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

dktorode, on Mar 25 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

aaah fuck....well done dibs.

uh?

His whole strategy was to stay alive, by sticking with one suspect and not revealing too much on his other suspects...now all his ideas on who else might be scum has just died with him...

What good would that be? You're dismissing his main suspect, i.e. you, so why would you care about his other suspicions?

Your reaction to that dibs kill are a bit off, my face-shifting falied magician friend.

Dont ask me....ask dibs
That's HIS words my friend, he said he has other people who he has good reads on, now that all died with him...
what are you on about?....i never dismissed myself? Where did i do that?
I am OBVOUSLY a suspect now...but the more i cry "SETUP" the more you guys are going to think i actually did it myself..
sigh


edit - punctuation

This post has been edited by dktorode: 25 March 2009 - 02:11 PM

[Morgoth]

Vengeance, on Mar 25 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Well an other lynched happened right before I got on. Irritating. Not that I wouldn't have agreed with the lynch. I just hate it when shit goes down and I am not here. Dibs was playing like innocent Dibs although not as aggressive as innocent dibs usually is. After looking back over Morgoth's posts I don't think that he is playing like an innocent. I think that he is playing really clean. Usually Morgoth is right in there throwing his opinion around like it is the word of god and he isn't doing that so much here. It seems as though he is putting just enough info out there so that people can register it and to keep things going. So I am going to

Vote Morgoth

Ah, the beauty of meta arguments. I can't say I entirely blame you. Sadly, I've failed to find anything to really tag on to. Ill do a re-read tonight after I've finished this years easter crime for the student magazine.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3
23.5 hours left.
9 Players alive
(Bubba, DKTorode, Gavin, Jump Around, Kurt M., Mentalist, Morgoth, Vengeance, Yellow)
5 votes to lynch

1 Vote Morgoth (Vengeance)

Players not voted : Bubba, DKTorode, Gavin, Jump Around, , Kurt M., Mentalist, Morgoth, Yellow

@ JA thanks for the flower! AHHHHHCHOOO!!!
@ Tapper - you sure you arent already married...how'd you know I would fail at getting action...are you in my city...watching me Fail?

Out for a while, do0n't speed lynch anyone, or do, but if you do, realize I am going to be in and out alot less until this afternoon...lots of meetings, so maybe hold ou load until this evening....if you can....premature ejaculynches happens to lots of players...I think I still have a buzz....later.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 25 March 2009 - 05:57 PM

[Jump Around]

Path-Shaper, on Mar 25 2009, 04:10 PM, said:

@ Tapper - you sure you arent already married...how'd you know I would fail at getting action...are you in my city...watching me Fail?

Wow, Yellow is marrying Tapper? Well, I can't say I didn't see it coming, but still a shock!

[Jump Around]

dktorode, on Mar 25 2009, 04:09 PM, said:

Dont ask me....ask dibs
That's HIS words my friend, he said he has other people who he has good reads on, now that all died with him...
what are you on about?....i never dismissed myself? Where did i do that?
I am OBVOUSLY a suspect now...but the more i cry "SETUP" the more you guys are going to think i actually did it myself..
sigh


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Of course you're dismissing it, you're saying yourself you're inno. Of course when a player dies his suspicions die with him, why do you cry about that? And if he had given a full list of his suspicions, what would you be saying? That we should follow those, or that it's a SETUP somehow?

And you keep crying "SETUP", like you admit yourself, when I can't recall anyone else to pressure you on that. You seem to exaggerate your defensiveness following Dibs' kill, is that a pre-emptive strike after getting rid of the one that had it for you?

[Morgoth]

as for DiBs death, there's a couple of things that strike me right away.

First what dk brought up about DiBs having other suspects he would not mention, which strikes me as a little ridiculous, but there you go. I'm a good example of why you should never ever keep your suspects to yourself in the belief that you'll live through the night.

However, and I guess this is my paranoia peeping through, but that does not necessarily mean I'm wrong, if you follow the two night kills so far, they both point quite clearly to me. Grief, the spammer, has received enough threats from me in the past and I can't say I am the greatest fan of spam in generall, so a night one kill on grief would've made sense for me. At least to some. Night 2, DiBs is killed. DiBs who proclaimed me a likely candidate for killer and with whom I have what can be described as the oldest feud on the board. dk complained about a conspiracy towards him, perhaps we're all just feeling the paranoia, but I'm feel like all this is aimed at me.

Now I have no problem seeing why someone would set me up, but I can also see how people would like DiBs out of the way simply for being a strong player.. I dunno, perhaps I just exagerate my own importance in this game. It's not like you morons could find a killer without me though.

[dktorode]

Morgoth, on Mar 25 2009, 04:09 PM, said:

Vengeance, on Mar 25 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Well an other lynched happened right before I got on. Irritating. Not that I wouldn't have agreed with the lynch. I just hate it when shit goes down and I am not here. Dibs was playing like innocent Dibs although not as aggressive as innocent dibs usually is. After looking back over Morgoth's posts I don't think that he is playing like an innocent. I think that he is playing really clean. Usually Morgoth is right in there throwing his opinion around like it is the word of god and he isn't doing that so much here. It seems as though he is putting just enough info out there so that people can register it and to keep things going. So I am going to

Vote Morgoth

Ah, the beauty of meta arguments. I can't say I entirely blame you. Sadly, I've failed to find anything to really tag on to. Ill do a re-read tonight after I've finished this years easter crime for the student magazine.

playing super clean isnt too much of a meta argument, It is what killers do sometimes in order not to attract to much attention. More like a gut argument if you ask me, some people when they play normal it is indeed usually clean, sometimes it just looks too clean if you look at the whole picture. And thats when you normally find scum. Especially the better players.

But for me the cleanest player so far, is JA, he is putting allot of effort into not stepping on many toes.
Only thing is he normally plays pretty clean, its when he plays "extra" clean is when I start sensing something perhaps is a bit funny.

catch my drift?...damn im rambling allot today...

[Vengeance]

dktorode, on Mar 25 2009, 09:17 AM, said:

Morgoth, on Mar 25 2009, 04:09 PM, said:

Vengeance, on Mar 25 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Well an other lynched happened right before I got on. Irritating. Not that I wouldn't have agreed with the lynch. I just hate it when shit goes down and I am not here. Dibs was playing like innocent Dibs although not as aggressive as innocent dibs usually is. After looking back over Morgoth's posts I don't think that he is playing like an innocent. I think that he is playing really clean. Usually Morgoth is right in there throwing his opinion around like it is the word of god and he isn't doing that so much here. It seems as though he is putting just enough info out there so that people can register it and to keep things going. So I am going to

Vote Morgoth

Ah, the beauty of meta arguments. I can't say I entirely blame you. Sadly, I've failed to find anything to really tag on to. Ill do a re-read tonight after I've finished this years easter crime for the student magazine.

playing super clean isnt too much of a meta argument, It is what killers do sometimes in order not to attract to much attention. More like a gut argument if you ask me, some people when they play normal it is indeed usually clean, sometimes it just looks too clean if you look at the whole picture. And thats when you normally find scum. Especially the better players.

But for me the cleanest player so far, is JA, he is putting allot of effort into not stepping on many toes.
Only thing is he normally plays pretty clean, its when he plays "extra" clean is when I start sensing something perhaps is a bit funny.

catch my drift?...damn im rambling allot today...

Well other then Morgy I am finding you and JA highly suspicious and Kurt... In fact due to my natural paranoia I find all of you other miscreants highly suspect.

[Morgoth]

dktorode, on Mar 25 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

Morgoth, on Mar 25 2009, 04:09 PM, said:

Vengeance, on Mar 25 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Well an other lynched happened right before I got on. Irritating. Not that I wouldn't have agreed with the lynch. I just hate it when shit goes down and I am not here. Dibs was playing like innocent Dibs although not as aggressive as innocent dibs usually is. After looking back over Morgoth's posts I don't think that he is playing like an innocent. I think that he is playing really clean. Usually Morgoth is right in there throwing his opinion around like it is the word of god and he isn't doing that so much here. It seems as though he is putting just enough info out there so that people can register it and to keep things going. So I am going to

Vote Morgoth

Ah, the beauty of meta arguments. I can't say I entirely blame you. Sadly, I've failed to find anything to really tag on to. Ill do a re-read tonight after I've finished this years easter crime for the student magazine.

playing super clean isnt too much of a meta argument, It is what killers do sometimes in order not to attract to much attention. More like a gut argument if you ask me, some people when they play normal it is indeed usually clean, sometimes it just looks too clean if you look at the whole picture. And thats when you normally find scum. Especially the better players.

But for me the cleanest player so far, is JA, he is putting allot of effort into not stepping on many toes.
Only thing is he normally plays pretty clean, its when he plays "extra" clean is when I start sensing something perhaps is a bit funny.

catch my drift?...damn im rambling allot today...

Well, in games such as this meta arguments will be a large part of any case, so I'm not complaining about that. It's hard to defend from though.

If I were to make a list of suspects as this point, and thankfully there's no necromancers this time around so:

Bubba - His PI claim was all sorts of wrong in my book. It makes very little sense to me and seems more than anything like an attempt to get on my good side. That teamed up with a withdrawn play makes him my top candidate.
Yellow - I don't know. Yellow is playing odd. I don't like it but can't put my finger on it. Something else I'll have to look for on my re-read tonight.
JA - I'm finding myself nodding and saying yes, that is true to pretty much everything he says. I HATE it when that happens. It jsut seems off that I should find myself agreeing with someone all the time. I don't even agree with myself more than perhaps half in the typical mafia game.

[bubba]

It has gotten to the point that I have seen almost all of you play good/scum from every different angle....and now everything you guys do looks scummy......I need to step back and do a reread....uuuuughghhh

[bubba]

Quote

Bubba - His PI claim was all sorts of wrong in my book. It makes very little sense to me and seems more than anything like an attempt to get on my good side. That teamed up with a withdrawn play makes him my top candidate.

When did I claim anything?......I just wanted everybody to get in character....In the game of Clue the characters have NOTHING to do with the roles...

[dktorode]

Jump Around, on Mar 25 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

dktorode, on Mar 25 2009, 04:09 PM, said:

Dont ask me....ask dibs
That's HIS words my friend, he said he has other people who he has good reads on, now that all died with him...
what are you on about?....i never dismissed myself? Where did i do that?
I am OBVOUSLY a suspect now...but the more i cry "SETUP" the more you guys are going to think i actually did it myself..
sigh


edit - punctuation

Jump Around, on Mar 25 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

Of course you're dismissing it, you're saying yourself you're inno.

Are you not inno then?...everyone claims inno, whats your point?

Jump Around, on Mar 25 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

Of course when a player dies his suspicions die with him, why do you cry about that?

Erm...because dibs deliberately didnt tell us any of his OTHER suspects and what he has gleened from the thread, that is why i am crying about, if he had said what else he thinks he could have perhaps shared some insight that we have missed and ontop of that we would know he is inno and therefore sincere.
Now because he had some cockamamie plan to not reaveal any of his thoughts on other players all his other suspicions die with him.
I like to get all my suspicions out there so people have information to use. I dont like hogging the info for selfish reasons.
Again....what are you on about?

Jump Around, on Mar 25 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

And if he had given a full list of his suspicions, what would you be saying? That we should follow those, or that it's a SETUP somehow?

No...i wanted to hear his thoughts...he is a valuable player and i respect his opinion, especially since we know for fact that he is inno...keeping all his suspicions to himself was daft more so in this game since the killer would never kill his own symp. and we KNOW dibs to be inno.

Jump Around, on Mar 25 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

And you keep crying "SETUP", like you admit yourself, when I can't recall anyone else to pressure you on that. You seem to exaggerate your defensiveness following Dibs' kill, is that a pre-emptive strike after getting rid of the one that had it for you?

I dont think you are reading my posts at all.
I said ONCE! that i CANT....repeat CANT keep calling it a set up because the more i do the more you people will think its me, so i rather just stay away from the whole subject as its WIFOM hell.

WTF...i dont think you are fully picking up what i am putting down.


edit - fucking internet cut out while tryint to fix quotes

This post has been edited by dktorode: 25 March 2009 - 02:51 PM