[Galayn Lord]

Serc, on Mar 17 2009, 04:57 PM, said:

Balls. One of my fillings just popped out of my tooth. Think I better go to the dentist and see when I can get an appointment. Might be out till tomorrow if sorting this out stretches into my plans for the evening.

ouch

[Anomandaris]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 17 2009, 04:56 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 09:29 AM, said:

Ano...you seem to not want people to die?
I am slightly apprehensive now as to what you exactly are on about.

You do know as a whole we need people to die, right now if 5 people died it should be game over and the survivors win. being one of the survivors should be your only wish, what care you for other roled players?
Sounds like you are protecting? or want to protect someone?
I dont really get it?

If there is a role with victory conditions that needs people dead, or that wins if we all suffocate, it will try to take out roled players who make it easier to save oxygen.

Accurate lynches through counting, vigs, oxygen production and shortening the travel time are all such roles, and I can protect those. Now, I do want to win, and to win, I need to reach our destination.
If someone increases my chances to live more than a regular RI can, I want them to live to help me get to planet Whatever - same for those people who show sense or seem to have a hidden role.

I still dont see how you saying "yes" gives anyone carte blanche.
They would not know on who you have used it?

You mean, its one or the other?
You can either put someone in "stasis" and save oxygen OR protect them from getting killed?
That would then make a bit of sense?


edit - typo "In" becomes " I "

They would know it is on cooldown.

And fyi, as I said here and in my original reveal on page 3, I do both. Protect AND save oxygen. The pod is indestructable - only when the person inside gets lynched is it destroyed and do I become a RI.

[Galayn Lord]

Silanah, on Mar 17 2009, 04:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 01:39 PM, said:

To much "assuming" going on for my liking...makes me think you know more than i do.

This is a TMDI 10+ game. That means that we're not going to be told everything, so the only way we're going to make any progress is by making some assumptions. I find it highly unlikely that this setup would have everyone working towards the same goal. I'm sure I remember Obdi flat out stating at some point that players with different winning conditions existed in the game. What could they be trying to do that would be different? Well, here's a few ideas:


1) Trying to kill a specific person on board.

2) Trying to remove all the oxygen from the ship.

3) Trying to make the ship fail to reach its destination.



Doesn't take too much thinking to come up with possibilities like that, and then you look at the information you have and try to work out which scenario fits best.

What can we do about it if this is the case?
Nothing...thats what.

All we can do is try and accomplish our goal, if some other guy has a role that i have no idea about and he has winning conditions i have no idea about how could i even begin to try and stop him? Or find him?
All i am saying is we need to get our winning conditions.

Trying to second guess obdi is not going to get us anywhere if you ask me, the possibilities are just too many.
Unless you have information that i dont have, maybe your winning conditions are to find one of these "ideas" you put forward in order to win.

See it never ends...bah

[Silanah]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 01:56 PM, said:

What can we do about it if this is the case?
Nothing...thats what.

All we can do is try and accomplish our goal, if some other guy has a role that i have no idea about and he has winning conditions i have no idea about how could i even begin to try and stop him? Or find him?
All i am saying is we need to get our winning conditions.

Trying to second guess obdi is not going to get us anywhere if you ask me, the possibilities are just too many.
Unless you have information that i dont have, maybe your winning conditions are to find one of these "ideas" you put forward in order to win.

See it never ends...bah

There is something we can do - we can be cautious and make sure that we consider all the options before we decide to be rid of someone. I want to survive as much as the next guy, and that means I especially don't want someone to live whose winning conditions are not the same as the group's. But I also don't want to hit any of these tank exploders, because that could have potentially disastrous consequences. We need to process the information we have, figure out who is the most detrimental to our chances of surviving, and get rid of him.

EDIT: Added 'But'

This post has been edited by Silanah: 17 March 2009 - 02:08 PM

[Galayn Lord]

Anomandaris, on Mar 17 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

Pile up votes on a person we suspect of having such an alternate victory condition for one.
Protect those who can aid us, for another.

This is all part of geting our own winning conditions anyways.
Ofcourse we want to get rid of people that seem tom have alternate winning condition (but how the hell do we find them??)
Ofcourse we want to keep the people around with roles that help.
Im talking about the unknown, we can do anything about the unknown.

Anomandaris, on Mar 17 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

You seem to advocate sitting there and waiting till time expires. Haven't seen a good thought from you in any way yet.

Where do you see me advocate sitting around and doing nothing till time expires?, all i am saying is that since i have placed my vote, ther is literally fuck all i can do till i can vote again.
And i dont see how we can figure out who might have alternate winning conditions.
People who seem to be ignoring our own winning conditions are the ones i am asking these questions
Some people seem overly occupied with other peoples winning cionditions and that worries me, makes me think they tHEMSELVES have alternate winning conditions.

Is this a "Good" enough thought for you?
jeees

Anomandaris, on Mar 17 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

I dislike that, probably enough to vote for you when I can again in 5 hours and 9 minutes. If you're breathing the oxygen that I could use later on, you better do something productive in that time, rather than moan that fulfilling a hidden victory condition is a stolen win and refuse to consider options you know nothing about, yet.

Shove your threats up your ass, You chose to miss interperate everything i say then be my guest.
Go ahead and be a fool. Or is that exactly what you want?
To be deliberately obtuse in order to get people to lynch me?

[Emurlahn]

@GL: Since you (afaik) haven't revealed your role, what does he have to gain from that? For all we know, you could be a tank exploder--which, unless Ano's objective is to destroy all the tanks (unlikely since he's claimed to be the hibernation guy), is a bad, bad thing.

That was a confusing sentence.

[Ruse]

Anomandaris, on Mar 17 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 09:29 AM, said:

Ano...you seem to not want people to die?
I am slightly apprehensive now as to what you exactly are on about.

You do know as a whole we need people to die, right now if 5 people died it should be game over and the survivors win. being one of the survivors should be your only wish, what care you for other roled players?
Sounds like you are protecting? or want to protect someone?
I dont really get it?

If there is a role with victory conditions that needs people dead, or that wins if we all suffocate, it will try to take out roled players who make it easier to save oxygen.

Accurate lynches through counting, vigs, oxygen production and shortening the travel time are all such roles, and I can protect those. Now, I do want to win, and to win, I need to reach our destination.
If someone increases my chances to live more than a regular RI can, I want them to live to help me get to planet Whatever - same for those people who show sense or seem to have a hidden role.

That makes sense, but doesn't that goes against

Tennes, on Mar 16 2009, 08:14 PM, said:

from the signup theread:

Quote

There will be no scum, innos, cult, factions. The point of the game is to be one of those alive when your ship touches down, unless otherwise stated in your role PM. There is no Jester.

Someone who works to make everyone else lose is scum in my book. But then again, that's sign-up thread stuff, plus verging on the semantics.

As for Korlat, Emurlahn seems to argue he could be RI, but that doesn't explain why he would be willing to "sacrifice himself" for everyone's gain. If he dies, he loses, if anyone else dies, he has more chances of winning.

Damn setup and inability to change votes.

[Emurlahn]

@Ruse: That much is true about Korlat, but there clearly is no "jester" role. The possibility DOES exist of a suicide-bomber role, which technically is not a jester if his role is simply to get killed, not lynched. But that's making a shitload of assumptions:
1.) Korlat is basically the equivalent of scum, although I believe obdi only meant there was no "scum vs. town" setup sort of thing.
2.) Korlat explodes oxygen tanks if he dies
3.) Korlat wins if oxygen depletes.

I find that extremely unlikely, if you ask me.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 17 March 2009 - 02:16 PM

[Galayn Lord]

Anomandaris, on Mar 17 2009, 05:04 PM, said:

They would know it is on cooldown.

And fyi, as I said here and in my original reveal on page 3, I do both. Protect AND save oxygen. The pod is indestructable - only when the person inside gets lynched is it destroyed and do I become a RI.

I was only trying to understand your reveal, I didnt get what you were trying to say.

What is a "Cooldown" you are saying things i dont understand.
All i asked is if you have put someone, in stasis (or whatever)?

You seem to think its bad of me to ask this? ok...fine.
But your explanation on why this is bad i dont get.
IF you have put someone in Stasis, this as you say gives "carte blanch" to any killers.
I dont undertand how this can be the case, the vig/killer wont know who you have chosen?...or will he.
In any case the killers have cart blanch right now? You cant save them after they have been killed.

So putting someone in stasis, or the killers knowing you have put someone in stasis wont change a thing?
You seem to be trying to paint what ever i say in a bad light wich i dont like.
Im just here floating in the dark with everyone else trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

I am simply trying to undersand what your role is.

[Emurlahn]

@GL: More of an MMO-oriented term, I suppose, although I imagine it should be pretty obvious. Cooldown is the recharge duration, the time before you can use an ability again.

By the way, I'm 99% sure he hibernated mockra earlier in the game.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 17 March 2009 - 02:20 PM

[Anomandaris]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 10:10 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 17 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

Pile up votes on a person we suspect of having such an alternate victory condition for one.
Protect those who can aid us, for another.

This is all part of geting our own winning conditions anyways.
Ofcourse we want to get rid of people that seem tom have alternate winning condition (but how the hell do we find them??)

By analyzing behaviour, failure to vote, possible role.

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 10:10 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 17 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

You seem to advocate sitting there and waiting till time expires. Haven't seen a good thought from you in any way yet.

Where do you see me advocate sitting around and doing nothing till time expires?, all i am saying is that since i have placed my vote, ther is literally fuck all i can do till i can vote again.

Here, for one. The red is admitting you do the bolded 'since you can't do fuck all.'

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 10:10 AM, said:

People who seem to be ignoring our own winning conditions are the ones i am asking these questions
Some people seem overly occupied with other peoples winning cionditions and that worries me, makes me think they tHEMSELVES have alternate winning conditions.

So, what you propose is that everyone who does not has a role does like you: vote and then wait 24 hours till they can vote again?

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 10:10 AM, said:

Is this a "Good" enough thought for you?
jeees

I guess you can say I say no to that.
More, you ask me if I have used my ability, I reason why I am not going to reveal it, you refuse to accept that this may not be so. Read post 1 again. There are alternate victory conditions. Alternate victory usually does not mean 'symbiosis', but 'antagonistic'. We've seen 4 kills. Now, do I have to sketch it out more?

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 10:10 AM, said:

Shove your threats up your ass, You chose to miss interperate everything i say then be my guest.
Go ahead and be a fool. Or is that exactly what you want?
To be deliberately obtuse in order to get people to lynch me?

Why should lynching you be worse than say, lynching Emurlahn?
Also, how do you propose we go about business, then?
What do you intend to do, GL?

[Galayn Lord]

Silanah, on Mar 17 2009, 05:07 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 01:56 PM, said:

What can we do about it if this is the case?
Nothing...thats what.

All we can do is try and accomplish our goal, if some other guy has a role that i have no idea about and he has winning conditions i have no idea about how could i even begin to try and stop him? Or find him?
All i am saying is we need to get our winning conditions.

Trying to second guess obdi is not going to get us anywhere if you ask me, the possibilities are just too many.
Unless you have information that i dont have, maybe your winning conditions are to find one of these "ideas" you put forward in order to win.

See it never ends...bah

There is something we can do - we can be cautious and make sure that we consider all the options before we decide to be rid of someone. I want to survive as much as the next guy, and that means I especially don't want someone to live whose winning conditions are not the same as the group's. But I also don't want to hit any of these tank exploders, because that could have potentially disastrous consequences. We need to process the information we have, figure out who is the most detrimental to our chances of surviving, and get rid of him.

EDIT: Added 'But'

yea yea ofcourse.

Im just saying...we have next to no info
we arent looking for symps or killer behavior, we dont really know what the hell we are looking for.
Caution is a given...in any game.

But we cant harp too much on these things. It just seems, to little old me, that we are forgetting the bigger picture is all.

[Path-Shaper]

"Sensors have detected another man-made moving object. It appears headed to our destination as well, although it is moving slower. We should catch up to it in about 2 hours." Warns the still over-loud computer voice. "If you wish to change course to avoid this object, the captain will have to authorize such a deviation."

[Emurlahn]

Um, Tennes is dead. That means he was lying, or PS forgot.

[Anomandaris]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 10:18 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 17 2009, 05:04 PM, said:

They would know it is on cooldown.

And fyi, as I said here and in my original reveal on page 3, I do both. Protect AND save oxygen. The pod is indestructable - only when the person inside gets lynched is it destroyed and do I become a RI.

I was only trying to understand your reveal, I didnt get what you were trying to say.

What is a "Cooldown" you are saying things i dont understand.
All i asked is if you have put someone, in stasis (or whatever)?

You seem to think its bad of me to ask this? ok...fine.
But your explanation on why this is bad i dont get.
IF you have put someone in Stasis, this as you say gives "carte blanch" to any killers.
I dont undertand how this can be the case, the vig/killer wont know who you have chosen?...or will he.
In any case the killers have cart blanch right now? You cant save them after they have been killed.

So putting someone in stasis, or the killers knowing you have put someone in stasis wont change a thing?
You seem to be trying to paint what ever i say in a bad light wich i dont like.
Im just here floating in the dark with everyone else trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

I am simply trying to undersand what your role is.

My role = healer + guard on one person, plus saving 12 hours of oxygen.
In the same way as a healer has a chance to save, so I can. The current reveals make saving interesting roles a lot easier for me, and also narrows down the targets for malicious kills - a vig who has to reach the planet like we do, will likely pick someone else than a roled player who can increase his chances.

So, 'evil' (people with victory conditions contrary to me reaching the planet alive) killers do not have carte blanche as long as there is the potential my ability is being used and their kill could not go through. More, they themselves have a refresh rate/ cooldown/ timer of at least 24 hours on their own ability, as per the sign up thread. So, they do not have carte blanche. Once used, they have the same period they can't kill that I have, so they and me can continue to play this game for a while.

And, if I die, you have the confirmation that someone does not want us to reach the planet.

[Ruse]

haha, the captain has been fu-shizzled

[Galayn Lord]

Emurlahn, on Mar 17 2009, 05:19 PM, said:

@GL: More of an MMO-oriented term, I suppose, although I imagine it should be pretty obvious. Cooldown is the recharge duration, the time before you can use an ability again.

aah...ok

Emurlahn, on Mar 17 2009, 05:19 PM, said:

By the way, I'm 99% sure he hibernated mockra earlier in the game.

why would you say that after Anomander clearly didnt want anyone to know?

[Ruse]

Anyone ordered pizza?

[Anomandaris]

Emurlahn, on Mar 17 2009, 10:25 AM, said:

Um, Tennes is dead. That means he was lying, or PS forgot.

Or we just crash into it right now.
Maybe we meet Kaschan again?

[Serc]

Ok. I'm back. Dentist will only be in tomorrow Not sore (thanks for the concern) but there's a disconcertingly big hole where one of my molars should be.

I agree that things are kinda boring if you've placed your vote and dont have a role that requires active participation. I also agree that trying to puzzle out all the winning conditions is a bit of a dead end. What we can do is try keep ourselves alive and coordinate things enough to get rid of anyone who seems to be playing to different rules than our own. Korlat definitely seems to be one of those, I still cant get my head around his 'I'll take one for the (non-existent) team.

Obdi is modding, so it's entirely possible that if the air runs out noone wins and he just laughs at us and calls us losers. But from the point of view of a balanced game, I think there needs to be at least one person in this game who is trying to get the majority to fail in someway or the other.