[Mentalist]

As of 1 minute ago:
You have 144 hours until you enter the atmosphere.

You have 1574 Oxygen Units left.
15 still alive:

Gamelon, Silanah, Galayn lord, kessobahn, Korlat, Mockra, Anomandaris, Rashan, Emurlahn, Fener, D'riss, Shadow, Ruse, Serc, Omtose.


20 votes needed to lynch

This post has been edited by Mentalist: 17 March 2009 - 01:02 PM

[Anomandaris]

Didn't really like you asking that, btw, GL. A 'yes' would give all the killers/vigs carte blanche to kill roled people should they somehow want to.

[Silanah]

Morning everyone. Seems we've had another couple of deaths while I was away. Galain blowing up the oxygen tanks was obviously bad, but apart from that the population is slowly getting down to sustainable levels, which is good.

I note that Telas died less than 24 hours after Hood's Path, so I assume it wasn't done by the same person.

[Galayn Lord]

Anomandaris, on Mar 17 2009, 04:07 PM, said:

Didn't really like you asking that, btw, GL. A 'yes' would give all the killers/vigs carte blanche to kill roled people should they somehow want to.

How so?

Im sorry but i just thought you could save oxygen...how do you prevent a kill?
and how would you saying "yes" give anyone carte blanche?

[Galayn Lord]

Ano...you seem to not want people to die?
I am slightly apprehensive now as to what you exactly are on about.

You do know as a whole we need people to die, right now if 5 people died it should be game over and the survivors win. being one of the survivors should be your only wish, what care you for other roled players?
Sounds like you are protecting? or want to protect someone?
I dont really get it?

[Emurlahn]

@GL: Unless there's someone with a role that would allow them to win even IF we all reached the planet alive.

From what I've read, it's evident I'm of no use at the moment; I have more than enough reason to believe Korlat's RI claim, since Obdi evidently didn't give everyone an awesome funtastic role.

By the way, my vote was made on Fener. I think he's a multi-kill type of role and as a result might have some special objectives in mind. Getting a vig from mods seems...odd, to say the least.

[Silanah]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

Ano...you seem to not want people to die?
I am slightly apprehensive now as to what you exactly are on about.

You do know as a whole we need people to die, right now if 5 people died it should be game over and the survivors win. being one of the survivors should be your only wish, what care you for other roled players?
Sounds like you are protecting? or want to protect someone?
I dont really get it?

Not sure that's quite right - we can probably assume that there's someone around whose interests run counter to the group as a whole. If, for example, they're trying to blow the ship up, then they need to get rid of everyone else. In that scenario, I'm fairly sure the game wouldn't end when we got the numbers down low enough.


Assuming there are more people whose deaths could be detrimental to our oxygen supply, I think being cautious is not a bad idea. We're probably nowhere near a lynch yet anyway...

EDIT: Emurlahn got there first.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 17 March 2009 - 01:33 PM

[Galayn Lord]

Emurlahn, on Mar 17 2009, 04:31 PM, said:

@GL: Unless there's someone with a role that would allow them to win even IF we all reached the planet alive.

All i can go with is the winning conditions given in the opening posts.
If obdi did put in some secret winning conditions like that there is nothing i can do about it.
Hollow victory that person will get if he does win.

[Galayn Lord]

Silanah, on Mar 17 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

Ano...you seem to not want people to die?
I am slightly apprehensive now as to what you exactly are on about.

You do know as a whole we need people to die, right now if 5 people died it should be game over and the survivors win. being one of the survivors should be your only wish, what care you for other roled players?
Sounds like you are protecting? or want to protect someone?
I dont really get it?

Not sure that's quite right - we can probably assume that there's someone around whose interests run counter to the group as a whole. If, for example, they're trying to blow the ship up, then they need to get rid of everyone else. In that scenario, I'm fairly sure the game wouldn't end when we got the numbers down low enough.


Assuming there are more people whose deaths could be detrimental to our oxygen supply, I think being cautious is not a bad idea. We're probably nowhere near a lynch yet anyway...

EDIT: Emurlahn got there first.

To much "assuming" going on for my liking...makes me think you know more than i do.

[Serc]

Ok I'm back.

For one, I'm seriously doubting Korlat's 'I have no role and will lurk so I can be killed for you guys' statement. I from what I can see I'm pretty sure everyone is roled. And being altruistic in this game makes no sense whatsoever. If you die you lose. End of story. If there was scum in this game, I say that was unbelievably scummy. Since there isn't, I dont know what to call it, but I dont like it.

Omtose revealed he produces one unit of oxygen every hour @ whoever was asking.

And iirc Fener claimed he had always had the vig, but that it only lasted for 24 hours before someone else got it. And that now that he's used it, it's been passed on to someone else. So he used it when he did because he thought he was going to bed (but then actually didnt) and galain was making him suspicious. I think the easiest way to sort this out is to ask if anyone received a vig right after galain died. That would prove Fener is speaking the truth. Although the chances of someone actually revealing they have a vig is pretty slim.

[Silanah]

Serc, on Mar 17 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

Ok I'm back.

For one, I'm seriously doubting Korlat's 'I have no role and will lurk so I can be killed for you guys' statement. I from what I can see I'm pretty sure everyone is roled. And being altruistic in this game makes no sense whatsoever. If you die you lose. End of story. If there was scum in this game, I say that was unbelievably scummy. Since there isn't, I dont know what to call it, but I dont like it.

Omtose revealed he produces one unit of oxygen every hour @ whoever was asking.

And iirc Fener claimed he had always had the vig, but that it only lasted for 24 hours before someone else got it. And that now that he's used it, it's been passed on to someone else. So he used it when he did because he thought he was going to bed (but then actually didnt) and galain was making him suspicious. I think the easiest way to sort this out is to ask if anyone received a vig right after galain died. That would prove Fener is speaking the truth. Although the chances of someone actually revealing they have a vig is pretty slim.

Hmm, that gives me an idea - what if one person started with a vig, and then as soon as they'd used it someone else was given one, and then as soon as they used that someone else was given one, and so on? That would explain why there have been so many deaths in such a short space of time, without there being an insane quantity of people with vig roles at the beginning.

[Emurlahn]

@Serc: I am a simple colonist myself, with no powers (unless I do have the capability of receiving vigs, although I think Fener meant he would just lose the vig if he didn't use it)...I have no trouble believing Korlat here. =/

Claiming RI doesn't hold much weight, but assuming everyone has a powerful role is a mistake imho.

[Silanah]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 01:39 PM, said:

To much "assuming" going on for my liking...makes me think you know more than i do.

This is a TMDI 10+ game. That means that we're not going to be told everything, so the only way we're going to make any progress is by making some assumptions. I find it highly unlikely that this setup would have everyone working towards the same goal. I'm sure I remember Obdi flat out stating at some point that players with different winning conditions existed in the game. What could they be trying to do that would be different? Well, here's a few ideas:


1) Trying to kill a specific person on board.

2) Trying to remove all the oxygen from the ship.

3) Trying to make the ship fail to reach its destination.



Doesn't take too much thinking to come up with possibilities like that, and then you look at the information you have and try to work out which scenario fits best.

[Path-Shaper]

In 9 minutes:
You have 143 hours until you enter the atmosphere.

You have 1560 Oxygen Units left.
15 still alive:

Gamelon, Silanah, Galayn lord, Kessobahn, Korlat, Mockra, Anomandaris, Rashan, Emurlahn, Fener, D'riss, Shadow, Ruse, Serc, Omtose.


20 votes needed to lynch

[Serc]

Silanah, on Mar 17 2009, 03:43 PM, said:

Serc, on Mar 17 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

Ok I'm back.

For one, I'm seriously doubting Korlat's 'I have no role and will lurk so I can be killed for you guys' statement. I from what I can see I'm pretty sure everyone is roled. And being altruistic in this game makes no sense whatsoever. If you die you lose. End of story. If there was scum in this game, I say that was unbelievably scummy. Since there isn't, I dont know what to call it, but I dont like it.

Omtose revealed he produces one unit of oxygen every hour @ whoever was asking.

And iirc Fener claimed he had always had the vig, but that it only lasted for 24 hours before someone else got it. And that now that he's used it, it's been passed on to someone else. So he used it when he did because he thought he was going to bed (but then actually didnt) and galain was making him suspicious. I think the easiest way to sort this out is to ask if anyone received a vig right after galain died. That would prove Fener is speaking the truth. Although the chances of someone actually revealing they have a vig is pretty slim.

Hmm, that gives me an idea - what if one person started with a vig, and then as soon as they'd used it someone else was given one, and then as soon as they used that someone else was given one, and so on? That would explain why there have been so many deaths in such a short space of time, without there being an insane quantity of people with vig roles at the beginning.

I suppose that's not impossible. But I dunno, there would have to be some mechanism on it to keep it from getting out of hand. I mean, it could technically be possible to end the game in a couple of hours if the vig got passed to someone who was online every time.

Hmm, come to think of it, it would make more sense if the vig was passed on after some delay, or at the time it would have expired. So if someone gets a vig out of the blue sometime in the next 24 hours then maybe Fener was speaking the truth.

[Anomandaris]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 09:29 AM, said:

Ano...you seem to not want people to die?
I am slightly apprehensive now as to what you exactly are on about.

You do know as a whole we need people to die, right now if 5 people died it should be game over and the survivors win. being one of the survivors should be your only wish, what care you for other roled players?
Sounds like you are protecting? or want to protect someone?
I dont really get it?

If there is a role with victory conditions that needs people dead, or that wins if we all suffocate, it will try to take out roled players who make it easier to save oxygen.

Accurate lynches through counting, vigs, oxygen production and shortening the travel time are all such roles, and I can protect those. Now, I do want to win, and to win, I need to reach our destination.
If someone increases my chances to live more than a regular RI can, I want them to live to help me get to planet Whatever - same for those people who show sense or seem to have a hidden role.

[Galayn Lord]

Silanah, on Mar 17 2009, 04:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 01:39 PM, said:

To much "assuming" going on for my liking...makes me think you know more than i do.

This is a TMDI 10+ game. That means that we're not going to be told everything, so the only way we're going to make any progress is by making some assumptions. I find it highly unlikely that this setup would have everyone working towards the same goal. I'm sure I remember Obdi flat out stating at some point that players with different winning conditions existed in the game. What could they be trying to do that would be different? Well, here's a few ideas:


1) Trying to kill a specific person on board.

2) Trying to remove all the oxygen from the ship.

3) Trying to make the ship fail to reach its destination.



Doesn't take too much thinking to come up with possibilities like that, and then you look at the information you have and try to work out which scenario fits best.

What can we do about it if this is the case?
Nothing...thats what.

All we can do is try and accomplish our goal, if some other guy has a role that i have no idea about and he has winning conditions i have no idea about how could i even begin to try and stop him? Or find him?
All i am saying is we need to get our winning conditions.

Trying to second guess obdi is not going to get us anywhere if you ask me, the possibilities are just too many.
Unless you have information that i dont have, maybe your winning conditions are to find one of these "ideas" you put forward in order to win.

See it never ends...bah

[Serc]

Balls. One of my fillings just popped out of my tooth. Think I better go to the dentist and see when I can get an appointment. Might be out till tomorrow if sorting this out stretches into my plans for the evening.

[Galayn Lord]

Anomandaris, on Mar 17 2009, 04:56 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 09:29 AM, said:

Ano...you seem to not want people to die?
I am slightly apprehensive now as to what you exactly are on about.

You do know as a whole we need people to die, right now if 5 people died it should be game over and the survivors win. being one of the survivors should be your only wish, what care you for other roled players?
Sounds like you are protecting? or want to protect someone?
I dont really get it?

If there is a role with victory conditions that needs people dead, or that wins if we all suffocate, it will try to take out roled players who make it easier to save oxygen.

Accurate lynches through counting, vigs, oxygen production and shortening the travel time are all such roles, and I can protect those. Now, I do want to win, and to win, I need to reach our destination.
If someone increases my chances to live more than a regular RI can, I want them to live to help me get to planet Whatever - same for those people who show sense or seem to have a hidden role.

I still dont see how you saying "yes" gives anyone carte blanche.
They would not know on who you have used it?

You mean, its one or the other?
You can either put someone in "stasis" and save oxygen OR protect them from getting killed?
That would then make a bit of sense?


edit - typo "In" becomes " I "

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 17 March 2009 - 02:01 PM

[Anomandaris]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 09:56 AM, said:

Silanah, on Mar 17 2009, 04:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Mar 17 2009, 01:39 PM, said:

To much "assuming" going on for my liking...makes me think you know more than i do.

This is a TMDI 10+ game. That means that we're not going to be told everything, so the only way we're going to make any progress is by making some assumptions. I find it highly unlikely that this setup would have everyone working towards the same goal. I'm sure I remember Obdi flat out stating at some point that players with different winning conditions existed in the game. What could they be trying to do that would be different? Well, here's a few ideas:


1) Trying to kill a specific person on board.

2) Trying to remove all the oxygen from the ship.

3) Trying to make the ship fail to reach its destination.



Doesn't take too much thinking to come up with possibilities like that, and then you look at the information you have and try to work out which scenario fits best.

What can we do about it if this is the case?
Nothing...thats what.

All we can do is try and accomplish our goal, if some other guy has a role that i have no idea about and he has winning conditions i have no idea about how could i even begin to try and stop him? Or find him?
All i am saying is we need to get our winning conditions.

Trying to second guess obdi is not going to get us anywhere if you ask me, the possibilities are just too many.
Unless you have information that i dont have, maybe your winning conditions are to find one of these "ideas" you put forward in order to win.

See it never ends...bah

Pile up votes on a person we suspect of having such an alternate victory condition for one.
Protect those who can aid us, for another.

You seem to advocate sitting there and waiting till time expires. Haven't seen a good thought from you in any way yet.

I dislike that, probably enough to vote for you when I can again in 5 hours and 9 minutes. If you're breathing the oxygen that I could use later on, you better do something productive in that time, rather than moan that fulfilling a hidden victory condition is a stolen win and refuse to consider options you know nothing about, yet.