[Tennes]

i think ano meant there was a 4th trait to be posted you omitted.

[Silanah]

Well I sure hope I'm not dead, had a lot of emotional investment in avoiding getting lynched last night - I've never been lynched on Day 1 yet and I don't intend to start doing that any time soon.

I was incredibly surprised that I managed to make it through, and Telas and Fener's behaviour does stick out when looking for reasons why I survived. Much as I'd like to say it was my incredible powers of persuasion that convinced them, the more logical conclusion is that there was some skulduggery going on. It is certainly in the scum's interest to keep attentions focussed on the same topic of discussion as yesterday if they are safely out of the spotlight. The way things are going, we're going to end up wasting a lynch on me along with a lynch on Telas (which to my mind is probably not a waste, and should be done at some point), which with 2 NKs per night leaves us with 10 players going into Day 4 and possibly 5 scum. So while Telas is worthy of suspicion, I think we need to widen the net a little bit, or else we could end up losing this game pretty quickly.


EDIT: Crosspost.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 11 March 2009 - 02:30 PM

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 02:28 PM, said:

Right so he's still alive?

Would someone like to put forward the case on Silanah? I am finding it difficult to understand, mainly because it started out with him taking my arguments against D'riss and voting for them. So I knew where he was coming from and I didn't think what he was doing is scummy.
And then people are saying he was symping Korlat by voting D'riss, and now people are saying Telas is symping Silanah. But that doesn't make sense as the teams don't know each other? So how can he be Korlats symp, and Telas be his symp?


I clear laid out case would be nice. Then i'd like a responce from Silanah then I'd go from there with the voting.


No one has mentioned GL at all as suspicious so maybe its just me. If I have lots of spare time I might go back and make a case on him later.

@Rashan, no real case on you, just general vague suspicions. People who should know better seem to be happy to vote for what comes across to me as non scummy things.

vote for non scummy things? the silanah case? not sure how thats non scummy, especially with the whole telas vote fiasco.

[Silanah]

I forgot to clarify: I'm willing to vote for Telas, but I've seen a lot of votes on him already and would like there to be some discussion today before we rush into anything.

[Rashan]

Silanah, on Mar 11 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

I forgot to clarify: I'm willing to vote for Telas, but I've seen a lot of votes on him already and would like there to be some discussion today before we rush into anything.

really, cause i thought you were best bet for today.

[Anomandaris]

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 10:28 AM, said:

Right so he's still alive?

Would someone like to put forward the case on Silanah? I am finding it difficult to understand, mainly because it started out with him taking my arguments against D'riss and voting for them. So I knew where he was coming from and I didn't think what he was doing is scummy.
And then people are saying he was symping Korlat by voting D'riss, and now people are saying Telas is symping Silanah. But that doesn't make sense as the teams don't know each other? So how can he be Korlats symp, and Telas be his symp?


I clear laid out case would be nice. Then i'd like a responce from Silanah then I'd go from there with the voting.


No one has mentioned GL at all as suspicious so maybe its just me. If I have lots of spare time I might go back and make a case on him later.

@Rashan, no real case on you, just general vague suspicions. People who should know better seem to be happy to vote for what comes across to me as non scummy things.

Copied from my post 636
Paraphrasing GL's "case" and whhat those who have built upon it offered up -

Driss went after Korlat for a supposed fake reveal that may or may not have been sarcasm, depending on who you ask. Sil hops in and defends him, going so far as to say he PIed Korlat (although for the life of me I don't know why). And was so sever in his defense he looked scummy, his defense when questioned was, he thought Korlat inno and spoke up, and he hasn't deviated from that path. Most(including me) think at best hes a symp, but better to hit a symp than an inno.

At least thats how I see it. O, and he is also apparently my partner and you are symping both of us, and I am probably only voting him to distance. At least thats what Korlat thinks, but of cours, he is a dick bag, so who cares what he thinks right? *sarcasm

All you have to do is add the last 3 hours of night where Telas, Kaschan and Fener refused to hammer

[Rashan]

Anomandaris, on Mar 11 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 10:28 AM, said:

Right so he's still alive?

Would someone like to put forward the case on Silanah? I am finding it difficult to understand, mainly because it started out with him taking my arguments against D'riss and voting for them. So I knew where he was coming from and I didn't think what he was doing is scummy.
And then people are saying he was symping Korlat by voting D'riss, and now people are saying Telas is symping Silanah. But that doesn't make sense as the teams don't know each other? So how can he be Korlats symp, and Telas be his symp?


I clear laid out case would be nice. Then i'd like a responce from Silanah then I'd go from there with the voting.


No one has mentioned GL at all as suspicious so maybe its just me. If I have lots of spare time I might go back and make a case on him later.

@Rashan, no real case on you, just general vague suspicions. People who should know better seem to be happy to vote for what comes across to me as non scummy things.

Copied from my post 636
Paraphrasing GL's "case" and whhat those who have built upon it offered up -

Driss went after Korlat for a supposed fake reveal that may or may not have been sarcasm, depending on who you ask. Sil hops in and defends him, going so far as to say he PIed Korlat (although for the life of me I don't know why). And was so sever in his defense he looked scummy, his defense when questioned was, he thought Korlat inno and spoke up, and he hasn't deviated from that path. Most(including me) think at best hes a symp, but better to hit a symp than an inno.

At least thats how I see it. O, and he is also apparently my partner and you are symping both of us, and I am probably only voting him to distance. At least thats what Korlat thinks, but of cours, he is a dick bag, so who cares what he thinks right? *sarcasm

All you have to do is add the last 3 hours of night where Telas, Kaschan and Fener refused to hammer

the refusal to hammer, despite two saying they would switch makes me think sil is killer not symp.

[Emurlahn]

Rashan, on Mar 11 2009, 09:31 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 02:28 PM, said:

Right so he's still alive?

Would someone like to put forward the case on Silanah? I am finding it difficult to understand, mainly because it started out with him taking my arguments against D'riss and voting for them. So I knew where he was coming from and I didn't think what he was doing is scummy.
And then people are saying he was symping Korlat by voting D'riss, and now people are saying Telas is symping Silanah. But that doesn't make sense as the teams don't know each other? So how can he be Korlats symp, and Telas be his symp?


I clear laid out case would be nice. Then i'd like a responce from Silanah then I'd go from there with the voting.


No one has mentioned GL at all as suspicious so maybe its just me. If I have lots of spare time I might go back and make a case on him later.

@Rashan, no real case on you, just general vague suspicions. People who should know better seem to be happy to vote for what comes across to me as non scummy things.

vote for non scummy things? the silanah case? not sure how thats non scummy, especially with the whole telas vote fiasco.

Well yes I have already said I didn't find it scummy. So thats why I'd like a proper case for it so I can go through it again.

See people were voting Silanah because he was symping Korlat. Or rather deflecting towards D'riss - which was based on my arguements about the Finder reveal thing. And we were letting Korlat go because there is a chance he might be the Finder etc.

It doesn't make sense then if Silanah is the symp for Korlat why would Telas then go and symp Silanah? At least to me it doesn't. A nice explanation would be good. Because what Telas did was suspicous, flipping a coin? Then the vote non vote. And his name has come up already before. I'd probably happily vote Telas at the end of the day.

And this is why I am suspicious of GL. He made the case on Silanah and voted, and made some comments saying how he'd be happy to vote for a few other people. Today he's come on made the case on Telas, but if its not catching on he's happy to go for Silanah etc. It seems good solid symp behaviour from GL. We have this big mess with Korlat/Silanah/Telas and most of it has come from him.

[D'riss]

I'm going to be voting for Telas today. But until he shows up and defends a bit I will hold my vote. I felt his play was wishy washy long before the "Coin toss" and commented about it hours before.

[Anomandaris]

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 10:46 AM, said:

And this is why I am suspicious of GL. He made the case on Silanah and voted, and made some comments saying how he'd be happy to vote for a few other people. Today he's come on made the case on Telas, but if its not catching on he's happy to go for Silanah etc. It seems good solid symp behaviour from GL. We have this big mess with Korlat/Silanah/Telas and most of it has come from him.

Well, I don't have to tell you that I think Korlat is scum, and thats why I am okay with lynching Sil today he doesn't have to be a symp, he could be Korlat's partner that defended him too much and managed to take the heat off of Korlat. But that theory doesn't seem to fly. One thing I noticed was that D'riss was the one who picked up on the supposed slip, or sarcasm, whatever, and Sil went after Driss lae in the day. Weak I know, but its there nd supports my theory Korlat is evil.

[Emurlahn]

Rashan, on Mar 11 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

the refusal to hammer, despite two saying they would switch makes me think sil is killer not symp.

See this is why I am suspicious of you. Why on earth would a killer stick his neck out like that and defend Korlat like that? It makes no sense. Thats a terrible argument and you know it, so why are you making it?

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

Rashan, on Mar 11 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

the refusal to hammer, despite two saying they would switch makes me think sil is killer not symp.

See this is why I am suspicious of you. Why on earth would a killer stick his neck out like that and defend Korlat like that? It makes no sense. Thats a terrible argument and you know it, so why are you making it?

I know it? seriously?

there plenty of reasons why, as a killer you may want to ingrate yourself with a possible finder, plus once you have done some defending your caught in the trap of your own making. He couldnt turn his own play over, because it would be even worse looking.

[Emurlahn]

Rashan, on Mar 11 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

Rashan, on Mar 11 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

the refusal to hammer, despite two saying they would switch makes me think sil is killer not symp.

See this is why I am suspicious of you. Why on earth would a killer stick his neck out like that and defend Korlat like that? It makes no sense. Thats a terrible argument and you know it, so why are you making it?

I know it? seriously?

there plenty of reasons why, as a killer you may want to ingrate yourself with a possible finder, plus once you have done some defending your caught in the trap of your own making. He couldnt turn his own play over, because it would be even worse looking.

Yes you do. Its a poor argument and your not an idiot.
Are you suggesting a killer rather than following the trend and voting off the possible Finder, instead is going to go and stick his neck way out and defend him arousing the suspicion of everyone? See I grant you its certainly possible but I find it to be rather unlikely and a very very ballsy move. And one I don't think a killer would take on day 1. Surely it would be better to keep your head down and remove the potential finder along with the rest of the crowd.

As a side point, the two people who defended Silanah/voted D'riss etc have both been killed. I wonder if our killers are clever enough to set this up. Cos I feel like I'm going to come across as symping Silanah now.

[Galayn Lord]

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 04:46 PM, said:

And this is why I am suspicious of GL. He made the case on Silanah and voted, and made some comments saying how he'd be happy to vote for a few other people. Today he's come on made the case on Telas, but if its not catching on he's happy to go for Silanah etc. It seems good solid symp behaviour from GL. We have this big mess with Korlat/Silanah/Telas and most of it has come from him.

I take offense with the last sentence, I have to say. But anyways.

You agree with me that of Silanah and Telas, the most scummy is Telas, and you find me suspicious? Why, because I say I would be happy to switch to Silanah? Well, of course I would be. There's two hypotheses here, one is that Silanah is a killer and that Telas is his symp, the other is that Telas is scummy and enjoys keeping poor Silanah around. Which one is it? Are you certain? I'm not.

Just because recent events don't fit with a case I made early yesterday just proves I might have been wrong/lucky then, nothing else.

[Galayn Lord]

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

Yes you do. Its a poor argument and your not an idiot.

Also, since part of your suspicions are based on the fact that the argument against Silanah is poor, I ask you this Emurlahn:

Why would a possible scum (Telas, you said yourself) act so strongly to keep someone that many find scummy alive, if he's innocent (again, your working hypothesis)?

Remember there's no CF to show Silanah is innocent.

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

Rashan, on Mar 11 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

Rashan, on Mar 11 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

the refusal to hammer, despite two saying they would switch makes me think sil is killer not symp.

See this is why I am suspicious of you. Why on earth would a killer stick his neck out like that and defend Korlat like that? It makes no sense. Thats a terrible argument and you know it, so why are you making it?

I know it? seriously?

there plenty of reasons why, as a killer you may want to ingrate yourself with a possible finder, plus once you have done some defending your caught in the trap of your own making. He couldnt turn his own play over, because it would be even worse looking.

Yes you do. Its a poor argument and your not an idiot.
Are you suggesting a killer rather than following the trend and voting off the possible Finder, instead is going to go and stick his neck way out and defend him arousing the suspicion of everyone? See I grant you its certainly possible but I find it to be rather unlikely and a very very ballsy move. And one I don't think a killer would take on day 1. Surely it would be better to keep your head down and remove the potential finder along with the rest of the crowd.

As a side point, the two people who defended Silanah/voted D'riss etc have both been killed. I wonder if our killers are clever enough to set this up. Cos I feel like I'm going to come across as symping Silanah now.

i dont think it is ballsy, i think your reading too much into what i am saying or perhaps i am not being very clear. the way i see it, driss came out and went fake finder reveal, silanah(killer) went why are you bringing that up? and when questioned reacted badly to the pressure. it was only at the very start he was putting forward to look inno by making driss look bad. but when the pressure was on he was trapped into defending korlat and his reasonig (PI'ing korlat) is where th esuspicion grew out of.

like you say he could be a setup by the killers, but i made the point earlier that ina non cf game, they have no reason to try and divert lynches to keep people around until later when that lynch is so readily available. therefore a few players who could have hammered sil choose not too with vague and frankly ridiculous reasoning because even if they were inno and sil is inno and thats a big if right there, they should have realised that today would again revolve around the same players supected on day 1 and cost us another day and possibly two more nks.

that is why i dont think they are innos as it only benefits the killers and points to sil being evil.

[Galayn Lord]

And please mods, make today's first vote count...

[Path-Shaper]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 11 2009, 10:29 AM, said:

And please mods, make today's first vote count...

I will do it when I have time.

[Galayn Lord]

I'll do it for you if you give me a vig kill

[Path-Shaper]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 11 2009, 10:32 AM, said:

I'll do it for you if you modkill me

O really?